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The job market is a joke. Job interviews are like a root canal.

BirdinHand said:
Until you have more experience and skills, you’re going to have to take an in person, in office role - and leverage that to gain skills and experience so that you can be competitive for the remote positions.
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I'm not opposed to this though. I just have had seemingly not much luck

One of the places I interviewed at (must have been two years almost to the date) the hiring manager said she would have hired me if she had one more spot. Unfortunately they did not
 
Ginger Ale said:
If you're under 40, it would only take a few months to get you into a position on a trade. Some plumbing places pay as you learn. Plumbers make a good amount after a year or so. Around $100,000.
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LOL. I've worked in plumbing.
There is no way you can enter the plumbing trade, be there a year, and make 100 grand a year.
At least that certainly is not typical. You'll be sanding copper fittings, drilling holes through floor joists and walls with an angle drill, carrying big boxes of heavy shit around.
 
instagramsci said:
I just hit 57 on a unofficial try. I'm almost certain I could break much higher with a little practice.
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Office work has up and down sides. Ofc culture can be mtg heavy, and lousy with acronyms. It requires either people adept at managing their own tedium, or self-starters. The manual labor side (call ctrs, data entry, custsvc, cataloguing) can be brutally boring.

Know your temperament, or honor your desperation appropriately, which is a rubbish thing to have to say, but true.
 
instagramsci said:
I just hit 57 on a unofficial try. I'm almost certain I could break much higher with a little practice.
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Practicing and honing your skills is always a good idea.


And, I'm not trying to discourage you from doing such.

I'm just speaking the flat honest truth that comes with more than 20 years in recruiting, talent acquisition and human resources. Before...well, I got burnt out and don't want to do it anymore so I've switched my own career path.

You're competing against people for remote rolls that have a background in being professional remote admins, data entry, customer service, etc...and they're going to win out every.single.time because that is who the employer wants to hire.


You're going to either continue to bang your head against the wall....or you're going to have to change what you are looking for.


I don't believe in spreading false hope in these circumstances. So I'm pretty blunt about it.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Most trades are backbreaking labor. Yay.
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I guess, but you build up the strength you need. We get a lot of people who are sick of the office vibe, and like to be out and about doing hands on in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt! Electrical is pretty cake. It's fun working with all the trades as well, music playing, talking, not worrying about office drama.

I think it's gotten sold as a horrible way to make a living, but it's not really all that bad.
 
reinaert said:
Office work has up and down sides. Ofc culture can be mtg heavy, and lousy with acronyms. It requires either people adept at managing their own tedium, or self-starters. The manual labor side (call ctrs, data entry, custsvc, cataloguing) can be brutally boring.
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Oh I know, I have 6+ years experience in customer service. Weirdly enough I felt more contempt coming from management than I did customers
reinaert said:
Know your temperament, or honor your desperation appropriately, which is a rubbish thing to have to say, but true.
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Really wish the culture around work was different. Really wish the structure was different, too
 
brianpatrick said:
Oh this isn’t true. Electricians have a pretty easy job physically. So do many other trades. If you’re smart you move out of the physical labor part quickly.
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I can see you've never hung industrial conduit or pulled wire. Forty feet in the air on a scissor lift. I have. Its hard dangerous work.


. Sure its not real tough to go into a house and switch out a breaker panel.

The trades suck, just about exclusively. Roofing, siding, plumbing, electrical, framing, I've done every bit of that. Concrete is one of the worst. Masonry.

You dont want to spend any real time doing that.
 
Ginger Ale said:
I guess, but you build up the strength you need. We get a lot of people who are sick of the office vibe, and like to be out and about doing hands on in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt! Electrical is pretty cake. It's fun working with all the trades as well, music playing, talking, not worrying about office drama.

I think it's gotten sold as a horrible way to make a living, but it's not really all that bad.
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Plumbing and concrete are rough. Some of the others have fewer elements of the bent over, in the crawlspace, knees ruining shit work to them these days.
 
Ginger Ale said:
We get a lot of people who are sick of the office vibe, and like to be out and about doing hands on in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt!
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Yeah. Freezing your balls off half the year and sizzling in the sun the other half. Hey, different strokes for different folks. This is not a viable professional position IMO.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
LOL. I've worked in plumbing.
There is no way you can enter the plumbing trade, be there a year, and make 100 grand a year.
At least that certainly is not typical. You'll be sanding copper fittings, drilling holes through floor joists and walls with an angle drill, carrying big boxes of heavy shit around.
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Ha ha, well, depends on the owner you work for. We really spend the time training up our apprentices's on commercial work. They don't have to do any sales, and it's pretty much the same shit over and over and over. They make that amount after a year or so. Maybe I'm paying too much?;) You can make more in service plumbing for sure.

I'm a glass half full girl! It is what you make it.
 
reinaert said:
Plumbing and concrete are rough. Some of the others have fewer elements of the bent over, in the crawlspace, knees ruining shit work to them these days.
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All trades are "rough". No 2 ways about it.
 
instagramsci said:
Oh I know, I have 6+ years experience in customer service. Weirdly enough I felt more contempt coming from management than I did customers

Really wish the culture around work was different. Really wish the structure was different, too
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Try your local laborers union? The Virginia wage won't be like up here in New England, but the bennies pkg is standard.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Yeah. Freezing your balls off half the year and sizzling in the sun the other half. Hey, different strokes for different folks. This is not a viable professional position IMO.
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Yeah, not for you obviously. I have a lot of happy plumbers on payroll, and they're making a good living. You can always go on to owning a company and make even more. I make about $300,000 a year and every year so far I make more than the last. Worth the dirt, sun and cold IMO of course. Different strokes!
 
instagramsci said:
What the hell is going on?

I've applied to over 500 jobs in the past two years. I've gotten virtual/phone interviews for about 20. I have interviewed in person for less than 10. I've received offers for 2.

Retail, food service, IT, clerical.

I've had my resume punched up multiple times.

In the interviews, I am polite, friendly, and focused. Even though I do have ADHD, which makes it difficult to answer open ended questions (which seem to be recruiters/managersHR/etc's favorite form of question)

This shit is miserable
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Stop making excuses and start networking.
Getting a job is a FULL TIME JOB.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
All trades are "rough". No 2 ways about it.
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During covid, I went on a ladder for a year. House painting and building/restoring decks. Great for my physique, bad for my lower back and knees. I also powerwashed myself off a ladder from too far up to be funny.
 
reinaert said:
Plumbing and concrete are rough. Some of the others have fewer elements of the bent over, in the crawlspace, knees ruining shit work to them these days.
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😂 well, you also stay in pretty good shape! It's not for those who need the cushier side of life, and a comfy chair, that's for sure! Although, people are pretty happy from what I can tell.
 
instagramsci said:
Oh I know, I have 6+ years experience in customer service. Weirdly enough I felt more contempt coming from management than I did customers

Really wish the culture around work was different. Really wish the structure was different, too
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Do you have the means to go to law school?
You strike me as an intelligent guy from previous posts/threads.

Do you have a degree? Go to law school and become a personal injury lawyer. If I could start over at 20, thats what I would do. Its big bucks like a good doctor, only if you screw up you dont kill somebody so its not exactly life and death pressure. Dont be a schmuck, go to law school. I will live vicariously through you. If you're poor suck the government dry for bennies while you attend. Ya gotta use the old noodle and not the back. imo
 
reinaert said:
This is maybe tin eared and too harsh.
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Disagree. It is reality. The first person who makes excuses, loses. No one owes you a job. You look for the opportunities you want, and if you can't find them , you MAKE them. LUCK is where opportunity meets preparation.
 
Ginger Ale said:
😂 well, you also stay in pretty good shape! It's not for those who need the cushier side of life, and a comfy chair, that's for sure! Although, people are pretty happy from what I can tell.
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I talked my youngest out of plumbing and into plumbing supply. He was just into his twenties at $80k to start. Plus about $15k (+$5 if he took half into his 401k) in profit sharing each Feb.
 
reinaert said:
During covid, I went on a ladder for a year. House painting and building/restoring decks. Great for my physique, bad for my lower back and knees. I also powerwashed myself off a ladder from too far up to be funny.
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OMy!! lol I hope you didn't get too injured!! I have to admit I chuckled a bit.
 
tshade said:
Disagree. It is reality. The first person who makes excuses, loses. No one owes you a job. You look for the opportunities you want, and if you can't find them , you MAKE them. LUCK is where opportunity meets preparation.
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Nah. Came in really hot, there, shade.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Do you have the means to go to law school?
You strike me as an intelligent guy from previous posts/threads.

Do you have a degree? Go to law school and become a personal injury lawyer. If I could start over at 20, thats what I would do. Its big bucks like a good doctor, only if you screw up you dont kill somebody so its not exactly life and death pressure. Dont be a schmuck, go to law school. I will live vicariously through you. If you're poor suck the government dry for bennies while you attend. Ya gotta use the old noodle and not the back. imo
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You don't just "go to law school" LOL
 
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