The first ________?

[Frank Apisa]

Well since I am a one-person wrecking ball with a personal mission to wipe political correctness off the face of the Earth, I think "First Lady" is a suitable title for ceremonial occasions. She is properly formally addressed as Mrs. (whatever.) Former first ladies are also addressed as Mrs. Reagan or Mrs. Carter or Mrs. Bush. In Hillary's case she quickly morphed from Mrs. Clinton to Senator Clinton shortly after she was no longer first lady so with her it was not an issue.

In America, the proper title to address former Presidents still living is "Mr. President" even though they are out of office. We do the same with former speakers of the House--Newt Gingrich is still routinely addressed as Mr. Speaker. Nancy Pelosi is addressed as Madam Speaker. Once a Congressman always a Congressman and once a Senator always a Senator when they are being formally addressed.

So now we have the awkward situation in which a former President could be the first gentleman. But to refer to him as Mr. President does create a confusing situation but it seems improper to call him First Gentleman or Mr. Clinton.

I suggest we elect Trump.

Funny one, Owl.

I even enjoyed the final sentence.

 

[Grim17]

WHAT CLAIMS?

Quote any claim of mine that you want substantiated...and I will substantiate it.

You have implied that when it comes to dishonesty and the negatives surrounding a presidential nominee, that Hillary Clinton is no different than any other past nominee:

Oh, my lord...an American politician lying.

Is there no end?

I guess the only thing you can do is to vote for the guy who never lies or exaggerates...Donald Trump.

Really.

As opposed to the delightful, honest individuals the other people were?

Now assuming that to be your belief, I challenged you to present an example of any past party nominee that even came close to having the amount of dishonesty and publically known negatives that Hillary has.

Hell, can you come up with one candidate who was nominated while at the same time being investigated for violating national security as a government official, complete with publically available evidence obtained from FOIA requests indicating her guilt?

Can you name a former nominee where it was known publicly, that they went to great lengths as Hillary did, to conceal their government communication while holding high public office?

Can you name a former nominee that received 6 figure "donations" to their charity and six figure speaking deals, from people tied to both private entities and foreign governments, who received financial benefit from US government decisions that her State Department were involved in making?

Come on Frank... Either you can prove the unprovable, that Hillary Clinton is no more dishonest and shady than any other party nominees have been, or you can just admit what is patently obvious... You don't give a damn how corrupt and dishonest she is, you'll support her because she has that all important "D" behind her name.


.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Funny one, Owl.

I even enjoyed the final sentence.

Well keeping Mr. President (Clinton) out of the White House for four to eight more years is a better reason than some to elect Trump.

I can't imagine with his ego that having a former President like him as 'first lady' would not be problematic. And that isn't even considering how problematic I think a President Hillary Clinton will be.

 

[Frank Apisa]

You have implied that when it comes to dishonesty and the negatives surrounding a presidential nominee, that Hillary Clinton is no different than any other past nominee:





Now assuming that to be your belief, I challenged you to present an example of any past party nominee that even came close to having the amount of dishonesty and publically known negatives that Hillary has.

Hell, can you come up with one candidate who was nominated while at the same time being investigated for violating national security as a government official, complete with publically available evidence obtained from FOIA requests indicating her guilt?

Can you name a former nominee where it was known publicly, that they went to great lengths as Hillary did, to conceal their government communication while holding high public office?

Can you name a former nominee that received 6 figure "donations" to their charity and six figure speaking deals, from people tied to both private entities and foreign governments, who received financial benefit from US government decisions that her State Department were involved in making?

Come on Frank... Either you can prove the unprovable, that Hillary Clinton is no more dishonest and shady than any other party nominees have been, or you can just admit what is patently obvious... You don't give a damn how corrupt and dishonest she is, you'll support her because she has that all important "D" behind her name.


.

I do not do "believing."

I repeat: What CLAIMS do you want me to substantiate. I will either substantiate them...or withdraw/repudiate them.

CLAIMS.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Well keeping Mr. President (Clinton) out of the White House for four to eight more years is a better reason than some to elect Trump.

I can't imagine with his ego that having a former President like him as 'first lady' would not be problematic. And that isn't even considering how problematic I think a President Hillary Clinton will be.

It was funny.

But I will be voting for Hillary...and voting for her with a smile on my face.

 

[AlbqOwl]

It was funny.

But I will be voting for Hillary...and voting for her with a smile on my face.

Well I am not happy with our choices in this election, so I will be voting more with hope in my eyes than a smile on my face. But I won't be voting for Hillary.

 

[Grim17]

I do not do "believing."

I repeat: What CLAIMS do you want me to substantiate. I will either substantiate them...or withdraw/repudiate them.

CLAIMS.

Not "Claim" but insinuation... If I'm wrong, and you acknowledge now that hillary is more dishonest, corrupt and surrounded by controversy and shady deals than any other past party nominee, then just say so. If you don't acknowledge such, then how about posting an example to substantiate you insinuation?

Look Frank, we all know you aren't stupid, so why not just admit that you don't give a damn if:

1. she is a proven politician who is corrupt
2. she lied and did in fact breech national security by sending top secret documents through her private email server as SOS.
3. she created and exclusively used her private email server to hide her government communications from the State Department and the public.
4. she withheld and tried to destroy selected emails as SOS, violating federal law.
5. she accepted bribe money through the Clinton Foundation
6. her, her husband and family used the Clinton Foundation charity to get rich.
7. she accepted bribe money through gross over payment for private speaking engagements.
8. she lied to the American people by blaming an internet video for the deaths of 4 Americans.
9. she lied about opposing SSM during her NY senate campaign.
10. lied about being under attack from snipers when she landed in Bosnia.
11. lied about supporting and advocating for NAFTA as first lady.

Stand up for who you are and what you believe, and admit that you don't give a damn about Hillary's complete lack of honesty and integrity, and will support her in spite of everything I just listed, because she has that all important "D" behind her name.

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[CanadaJohn]

Well since I am a one-person wrecking ball with a personal mission to wipe political correctness off the face of the Earth, I think "First Lady" is a suitable title for ceremonial occasions. She is properly formally addressed as Mrs. (whatever.) Former first ladies are also addressed as Mrs. Reagan or Mrs. Carter or Mrs. Bush. In Hillary's case she quickly morphed from Mrs. Clinton to Senator Clinton shortly after she was no longer first lady so with her it was not an issue.

In America, the proper title to address former Presidents still living is "Mr. President" even though they are out of office. We do the same with former speakers of the House--Newt Gingrich is still routinely addressed as Mr. Speaker. Nancy Pelosi is addressed as Madam Speaker. Once a Congressman always a Congressman and once a Senator always a Senator when they are being formally addressed.

So now we have the awkward situation in which a former President could be the first gentleman. But to refer to him as Mr. President does create a confusing situation but it seems improper to call him First Gentleman or Mr. Clinton.

I suggest we elect Trump.

If it comes to pass, why not just call them Presidents Mr. and Mrs. or Mrs. and Mr. Clinton and move to have the title changed to First Spouse, going forward, or abolish it altogether with your wrecking ball.

 

[Thrilla]

well, this is 2016... his title can only be .....

First cisgender male significant other.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Well said...

I have a friend that is also a "Stupid voter". Everything he knows about politics, he learned from watching Jon Stewart and refused to read, watch or listen to anything that might contradict that. It may have been frustrating personally to discuss issues with him, but what was worse was the level of sadness I felt knowing that there were literally millions more out there just like him that could determine the fate of the entire nation.

I don't mind if people want to bow out and ignore, it is when amidst that ignorance they have the audacity to tell ret of us how we should live, or which leader is the best for us.

You have to admit it is the height of arrogance to knowingly be out of touch and still insist you are right.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Wow...

...low information voter...

...stupid voter.

Get a life, guys.

I'm very well informed...and far from a stupid voter.

Well...one vote of mine was a bit stupid. I voted for Ronald Reagan because I was so disappointed with Jimmy Carter.

That WAS a stupid vote.

That's so arrogant. You just bragged you don't pay attention to anything that you disagree with. To me that spells low or no information voter.

But it's a good thing. Now when you tell us something we know you haven't researched it unless its Hilary propaganda.

I still don't understand being so proud of that.

 

[_Sal]

Well I am not happy with our choices in this election, so I will be voting more with hope in my eyes than a smile on my face. But I won't be voting for Hillary.

since you are an owl I will ask....whoooooooooooooooooooooo, whooooooooooooooooooooooo has caught your eye?

 

[humbolt]

That's so arrogant. You just bragged you don't pay attention to anything that you disagree with. To me that spells low or no information voter.

But it's a good thing. Now when you tell us something we know you haven't researched it unless its Hilary propaganda.

I still don't understand being so proud of that.

Well, I never...I'll just have to walk out of here in a huff...

 

[Fearandloathing]

Well, I never...I'll just have to walk out of here in a huff...

I always wanted Ford to build a car called a "Huff" so I could perpetually be "going off in a huff"

 

[humbolt]

I always wanted Ford to build a car called a "Huff" so I could perpetually be "going off in a huff"

That's neat. You can't do that with "snit". You can have a snit, but you generally still go off in a huff.

 

[AlbqOwl]

If it comes to pass, why not just call them Presidents Mr. and Mrs. or Mrs. and Mr. Clinton and move to have the title changed to First Spouse, going forward, or abolish it altogether with your wrecking ball.

Naw, First Spouse is way too politically correct for my tastes. The PC crowd is determined to make this a non gender-specific world, but I'm too old fashioned for that. I think God made us male and female for a reason and I personally like being a girl and I see men as just as special but different from women. And I like being a married girl so I don't mind being Mrs. girl.

President Mr. Clinton and President Mrs. Clinton sounds silly to me and it completely screws up a tradition that this country has had for a very long time now.

And while we currently say President and Mrs. Obama, which is fine, there is no way to say Mr. and Madam President without making it sound like a co-presidency or a version of Sybil.

 

[AlbqOwl]

since you are an owl I will ask....whoooooooooooooooooooooo, whooooooooooooooooooooooo has caught your eye?

All my favorites got eliminated some time back. But since I am deadly certain that a President Hillary Clinton would be really really bad for this country, the only alternative is Mr. Trump. He wasn't on my short list in the beginning for sure, but as the last alternative to Hillary still standing I will be voting with uncertainty about how a Trump Presidency will be, but with hope that it will be great.

At least we would be able to stick with the tradition by saying President and Mrs. Trump, instead of Madam and Mr. President referring to Bill and Hillary.

 

[_Sal]

All my favorites got eliminated some time back. But since I am deadly certain that a President Hillary Clinton would be really really bad for this country, the only alternative is Mr. Trump. He wasn't on my short list in the beginning for sure, but as the last alternative to Hillary still standing I will be voting with uncertainty about how a Trump Presidency will be, but with hope that it will be great.

At least we would be able to stick with the tradition by saying President and Mrs. Trump, instead of Madam and Mr. President referring to Bill and Hillary.

thank you for answering, and I appreciate your honesty

good luck with the outcome however it may be!

 

[AlbqOwl]

thank you for answering, and I appreciate your honesty

good luck with the outcome however it may be!

Thanks. I figure given his track record, he will be really terrible or really great. The hope will be that the best that is in him is the one that shows up on inauguration day. But either way, I KNOW I don't want the best that Hillary Clinton has to offer so yes, I hope we'll all be saying President Trump next January. And God help us.

 

[_Sal]

Thanks. I figure given his track record, he will be really terrible or really great. The hope will be that the best that is in him is the one that shows up on inauguration day. But either way, I KNOW I don't want the best that Hillary Clinton has to offer so yes, I hope we'll all be saying President Trump next January. And God help us.

well say sera sera

and we shall see how it all unfolds

for me personally, my life has never changed one iota under the leader of my country be it left or right...but then I just kind of go with the flow...life is good I bring my attitude to the table, I don't wait for it to be given to me

as long as I live in a democracy the rest is all just crap

 

[AlbqOwl]

well say sera sera

and we shall see how it all unfolds

for me personally, my life has never changed one iota under the leader of my country be it left or right...but then I just kind of go with the flow...life is good I bring my attitude to the table, I don't wait for it to be given to me

as long as I live in a democracy the rest is all just crap

If you live in a democracy, count your blessings. In my vocations and avocations, I have seen first hand the difference various administrations in this country have made for the most vulnerable among us. The current Administration has been terrible for them and almost every demographic has lost ground and been negatively impacted in some way. There is absolutely no reason to believe that a Hillary Clinton would not continue on that same destructive path, most especially if her party has the majority in Congress.

Our government long ago found ways to get around democratic values and have been moving us ever forward into something that looks much more like totalitarian socialism than the democratic republic that our Founders gave us.

And that is why I fear a Donald Trump as President far less than many of our friends here do.

 

[eohrnberger]

That's so arrogant. You just bragged you don't pay attention to anything that you disagree with. To me that spells low or no information voter.

But it's a good thing. Now when you tell us something we know you haven't researched it unless its Hilary propaganda.

I still don't understand being so proud of that.

I'm rather surprised that you are surprised, but I think that perhaps you really aren't.

 

[eohrnberger]

I DID NOT WATCH IT. I have posted several times that I am not willing to watch videos posted in these threads, because most of them take away 10 - 15 minutes or more with abject nonsense.

I anyone wants to post a comment...let 'em post it. I may or may not respond.



Whatever.



It is my opinion that she will make a fine president.

I am getting the feeling that you do not.

Imagine that...Americans with differing opinions about a politician.

What is the country coming to?




I said what I have to say about that.

I'm reading 'stop confusing me with information that disagrees with my preconceived notions'.

 

[justabubba]

The first

baby daddy

he will live in public housing

and receives a federal check each month


if the only options are tRump/hillary
gotta hold my nose and vote hillary for two reasons:
1. she ain't tRump
2. she will not run her supreme court nominees past the heritage foundation for approval

that said, i still await any hillary supporter to post a list of her actual accomplishments. not the high positions she has held, but the things she accomplished in those powerful roles
that absence of any significant CV shows us she will be an equally ineffective president

something i cannot explain is how someone with so little charisma, someone who cannot get anywhere close to the attendees at primary events that Bernie (and tRump) manage to do, still manages to receive more primary ballots than either of those fellows who draw massive crowds at their primary appearances

 

[TobyOne]

"Is"

..

If Hillary does win as the first female president, what do you think Bill's title should be?

First man?

First gentleman?