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The FBI Recovered 11 Sets Of Classified Documents, Including Some Marked Top Secret, From Mar-a-Lago

That, in fact, is precisely what got Hillary off the hook for the vast preponderance of the classified information on her email server. It was State Department data, and she was the OCA, just as POTUS is.

That wasn't claimed by the DOJ or the FBI. Comey even tried to change several aspects of the law in order to clear Hillary. By saying intent was needed, when it wasn't. By saying it was extremely careless, instead of gross negligence which was specified by the law. And earlier drafts of Comeys statement included gross negligence. The powers for the President and Secretary of State is much diffrent
 
MAGAts aren't upset about leaks in this case. They're upset Dear Leader's resort got searched and that he's the target of an investigation.
Never-Trumpers are pissed that they lost peoples trust in the institutions they corrupted.
 
Never-Trumpers are pissed that they lost peoples trust in the institutions they corrupted.

For everything MAGAts bitch about when it comes to politicians or the so-called 'Deep State', Trump is ten times worse. The fact you people don't see that is mind-boggling.
 
I don't recall Hillary claiming she had declassified the documents.

In the case of State Department information, she didn't have to - she "owned" it as the OCA, and was free to do with it as she pleased, including implicitly declassifying it by putting it into an unclass email. That's why the early numbers of her classified emails - which were very high - got winnowed way down; most of it was State Department information, and so she had the legal authority to put it there, even if doing so wasn't wise. She didn't have the authority to put NGA, NSA, CIA, DOD, or other department's information on there, however, and that's where she ran into problems.


Though I will grant you that if this is going to sink Donnie's political future any hope that Hillary has goes down the tubes with it. Good riddance to both of them.

Hillary is already out of it, and isn't going to "go down the tubes", as the FBI already decided not to prosecute her for breaking the law.


The end of the entire Hillary email mess was a conclusion that she and her staff were wildly careless in their handling of classified information

Grossly Negligent, I think, would be the best description - though the FBI decided to invent a new standard of "extremely careless" whole cloth.


Given that each tranche of material identified as "Miscellaneous Secret or Top Secret or beyond top secret or confidential documents likely represents tens of if not hundreds of documents per category, Trump has much more classified stuff in his basement than Clinton ever thought of having on her server before during or after her term as Secretary of State.

We don't know exactly how many documents there were, of what type. However, we also don't know that any of them were actually classified, regardless of how they were marked. Just as HIllary's emails that were State Department material were downgraded by her use of it, Trump could have decided to use and store Top Secret information in an unsecure space, and made it unclassified if he so wished.



three things that make Hillary's mess a false equivalency to the Trump documents mess

It's not an exact equivalency, agreed. For example, from what we currently know, Hillary definitely broke the law, and Trump may have broken the law, and, unfortunately, the person we would need to tell us whether or not he did... is Trump; who is, shall we say, not exactly a reliable witness.

- Trump claims to have declassified the material. There is so far no evidence that he did.

There need be none. It was entirely his decision to make, as he chose to make it.

The entries on the receipt do not identify the documents taken by FBI as declassified.

Which does not ultimately tell us one way or the other.

Hillary never claimed to declassify the material. Could Trump have declassified some of them and not told anybody....YUP. Donald is capable of literally anything that he thinks results in some advantage to him personally

Yup. That's sort of the problem. He could have decided "Yeah, all this is fine", and that decision is all that would have been needed.

- Trump had a legal subpoena earlier this year after he sent back the 15 cartons and material and he resisted it. Hillary did not resist subpoenas.

Hillary resisted turning over material for months, had her server wiped rather than obey direction to turn it over, and had an aid physically destroy her other devices in an attempt to destroy the data rather than turn it over.

At the end of the day the difference is the difference between the totally unscrupulous, self-absorbed, narcissistic and vapid man, Donald Trump and Hillary's hubris which was always her political undoing and the usual coverup being worse than the crime. Hillary was far less dangerous to this country's National Security than Donald was by a country mile. They are both dead to me politically.

I don't think in this case I would say the coverup was worse than the crime, but, agreed that Trump is more dangerous to the nation, now.
 
For everything MAGAts bitch about when it comes to politicians or the so-called 'Deep State', Trump is ten times worse. The fact you people don't see that is mind-boggling.
He isn't an angel he isn't worse than the deep state let alone 10x worse.
 
He isn't an angel he isn't worse than the deep state let alone 10x worse.

That deplorable narcissist would sell his own son to make a profit.
 
In the case of State Department information, she didn't have to - she "owned" it as the OCA, and was free to do with it as she pleased, including implicitly declassifying it by putting it into an unclass email. That's why the early numbers of her classified emails - which were very high - got winnowed way down; most of it was State Department information, and so she had the legal authority to put it there, even if doing so wasn't wise. She didn't have the authority to put NGA, NSA, CIA, DOD, or other department's information on there, however, and that's where she ran into problems.

Information I suppose generated by the State Department themselves can be classified/declassified at will. But classified information generated elsewhere going through the state department is likely not to be done so except by the President himself.
 
Are you saying Garland is lying about his dedication to equal application of the law? Are you calling our AG a liar? Questioning his or the people in his dept angers him.
Attacking the integrity of the Justice Department should anger the AG when those attacks are baseless and potentially dangerous.

Just like Trump's lies about the "stolen election" led to 1/6, the man who attempted to break into the FBI office here in Cincinnati appears to have been a Trump worshiper, enraged about the Monday execution of the search warrant. Which of course was made public only by Trump immediately beginning to rant, and lie about it.

So yes, Garland should be pissed.
 
Information I suppose generated by the State Department themselves can be classified/declassified at will. But classified information generated elsewhere going through the state department is likely not to be done so except by the President himself.
Or the originating agency at the behest of State.
 
That deplorable narcissist would sell his own son to make a profit.
If that's true he would still be a better person than the deep state actors aligned against him. He is less dangerous than they are as well and I think that might be the larger point and a big element of the divide in this nation.
 
That wasn't claimed by the DOJ or the FBI. Comey even tried to change several aspects of the law in order to clear Hillary. By saying intent was needed, when it wasn't. By saying it was extremely careless, instead of gross negligence which was specified by the law. And earlier drafts of Comeys statement included gross negligence. The powers for the President and Secretary of State is much diffrent
Yea, makes perfect sense that Comey- a lifelong registered republican, was trying to find a way to let HRC off the hook. And tell me, how exactly was he attempting to change the law, again in her favor? He was head of the FBI, not the leader of either the house or the senate.
 
If that's true he would still be a better person than the deep state actors aligned against him. He is less dangerous than they are as well and I think that might be the larger point and a big element of the divide in this nation.

You are not exactly making a convincing argument.
 
Attacking the integrity of the Justice Department should anger the AG when those attacks are baseless and potentially dangerous.

A whole lot of criticism of both the DOJ and FBI are warranted based on past discretion from Hillays emails to the FISA warrents and spying on a Presidential candidate.
People are not particularly trusting of both departments for these reasons.
 
Attacking the integrity of the Justice Department should anger the AG when those attacks are baseless and potentially dangerous.

Just like Trump's lies about the "stolen election" led to 1/6, the man who attempted to break into the FBI office here in Cincinnati appears to have been a Trump worshiper, enraged about the Monday execution of the search warrant. Which of course was made public only by Trump immediately beginning to rant, and lie about it.

So yes, Garland should be pissed.
The "attacks" are not baseless. If they were I would agree with you but there is sound reasons to distrust them.
 
Your kinda right. Not about him being worse, but he did steal some of their power. They despise him for that.
He stole their top-secret documents. He has no power. People who take the 5th 440 times are clearly virtue signaling their total lack of power, as are those who watch their homes being searched remotely.
 
You are not exactly making a convincing argument.
I wasn't trying to convince you. You seem deepset in your opinion. I accept that. I was sharing my perspective, nothing more.
 
Yea, makes perfect sense that Comey- a lifelong registered republican, was trying to find a way to let HRC off the hook. And tell me, how exactly was he attempting to change the law, again in her favor? He was head of the FBI, not the leader of either the house or the senate.


Lol...I just gave you two reasons he tried to change the law in the very post you quoted me on. Intent isn't needed to be found guilty in the law Hillary violated. Only gross negligence, which Comey changed to extremely careless in his final draft.
 
He stole their top-secret documents. He has no power. People who take the 5th 440 times are clearly virtue signaling their total lack of power, as are those who watch their homes being searched remotely.
He has not been charged with anything let alone convicted. You are spreading gossip like they are facts. Nothing has been proven.

Some but hurt people who have an ax to grind isn't people's opinions that I rely on for truth.
 
I wasn't trying to convince you. You seem deepset in your opinion. I accept that. I was sharing my perspective, nothing more.

You're not even making an argument that helps anyone else understand your perspective.

Look, I'm an anarchist. I'm as much of a critic of the state as anyone. But you can't tell me that if that state was run by a bunch of Trump clones that it would be less corrupt.
 
The "attacks" are not baseless. If they were I would agree with you but there is sound reasons to distrust them.
Yea, I'm sure that you and the rest of the conspiracy theorists think there are sound reasons. Just like you are probably sure of all the conspiracy theories that you, Trump and his minions believe.

Doesn't make any of it true.
 
Lol...I just gave you two reasons he tried to change the law in the very post you quoted me on. Intent isn't needed to be found guilty in the law Hillary violated. Only gross negligence, which Comey changed to extremely careless in his final draft.
My question was not how he supposedly wanted it changed but how he allegedly was going about doing it. You said he "tried" to change it. How was he trying? What was he doing, particularly since he is not in the legislature and has no control over legislation.
 
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