The Duce is back to regime change.

[Tigerace117]

Never said anything about a Britain+France match-up vs the USSR. You're changing the subject because discussing Russia's military alliance with Germany is uncomfortable to you. Must go against your metodichka!

That makes no sense. Russia being against Germany in 1944 (when D-Day occurred) does not undo their being Germany's ally in 1939. You having trouble with dates?

The people actyally fighting Nazi Germany didn’t agree with your claim that the Soviets were “Nazi allies”. Explicitly so. You flailing in a panic because you lack even basic historical knowledge can’t change the facts.

Yes, I’m sure to someone whose displayed the lack of knowledge you have it wouldn’t.

If the Soviets had actually been “Nazi allies” there would have been no invasion of Europe. No American troops would have made it off the beaches....except as corpses and POWs.

 

[Tigerace117]

Lots of countries helped themselves to lots of pieces of lots of other countries in history. I am not aware of any military action in this particular case, having looked into it when someone else read from the same whataboutism chapter of the Kremlin's metodichka regarding this matter in the same sort of discussion, and so I'm not sure how it's relevant to military alliances with Hitler during World War II (especially ones that STARTED the war), which is what we are discussing.

Oh look, more panic and desperate attempts to squeal “Russia Russia Russia” in hopes of covering for Poland’s dictatorship happily stabbing Czechoslovakia in the back.

 

[Cosmo]

The people actyally fighting Nazi Germany didn’t agree with your claim that the Soviets were “Nazi allies”. Explicitly so. You flailing in a panic because you lack even basic historical knowledge can’t change the facts.

Is that an attempt at logic, or stand-up comedy? It's so stupid, I can't tell.

Yes, I’m sure to someone whose displayed the lack of knowledge you have it wouldn’t.

If the Soviets had actually been “Nazi allies” there would have been no invasion of Europe. No American troops would have made it off the beaches....except as corpses and POWs.

Oh look, more panic and desperate attempts to squeal “Russia Russia Russia” in hopes of covering for Poland’s dictatorship happily stabbing Czechoslovakia in the back.

The only people covering are you and your tag-team Kremlin buddy making an attempt at whataboutism that doesn't even rise to the level of whataboutism because it doesn't even describe analogous events. Way to fail at even making a proper logical fallacy.

 

[Tigerace117]

Is that an attempt at logic, or stand-up comedy? It's so stupid, I can't tell.


The only people covering are you and your tag-team Kremlin buddy making an attempt at whataboutism that doesn't even rise to the level of whataboutism because it doesn't even describe analogous events. Way to fail at even making a proper logical fallacy.

Awww, an insult instead of an attempt at an argument! Your utter surrender is noted

I get that you aren’t able to cope with the fact that rather than oppose the Nazis Poland’s dictatorship gleefully jumped Czechslovakia, but no amount of whining changes the facts

I get how traumatic “the Kremlin” smashing the fascist regimes the US idolized so much was, but that’s just too damn bad

 

[Cosmo]

Awww, an insult instead of an attempt at an argument! Your utter surrender is noted

I get that you aren’t able to cope with the fact that rather than oppose the Nazis Poland’s dictatorship gleefully jumped Czechslovakia, but no amount of whining changes the facts

WTF are you talking about? I replied to the post and didn't deny it.

I get how traumatic “the Kremlin” smashing the fascist regimes the US idolized so much was, but that’s just too damn bad

 

[Tigerace117]

WTF are you talking about? I replied to the post and didn't deny it.

No you didn’t. You wailed “whataboutism” instead of actually facing up to the historical facts.

Which, to be fair, is pretty much standard operating procedure for you— after all, you’ve been utterly unable to cope with the fact the Soviets had some of the best planes, and arguably the best tanks, of the war—but that doesn’t make said facts go away

 

[pedex]

Post #72


So, @pedex, you don't know that Russia is taking more and more territory from Ukraine, you don't know that Russia is inflicting more and more damage on Ukrainian homes, businesses, schools, churches, hospitals, infrastructure etc. You don't know that mainstream media is keeping these details from us. You believe this is happening, but you have no credible sources you can cite as corroboration for your belief.

huh OMG so you want the the map, Really?????????????Are you serious? geez dude, why bother?

 

[Pyrite]

huh OMG so you want the the map, Really?????????????Are you serious? geez dude, why bother?

Not at all. I've requested the credible sources you use to gather information about Russia's invasion and continuing attacks on Ukraine.

 

[Cosmo]

No you didn’t. You wailed “whataboutism”

That's not a denial.

At least look up the words you're using before using them.

instead of actually facing up to the historical facts.

Which, to be fair, is pretty much standard operating procedure for you— after all, you’ve been utterly unable to cope with the fact the Soviets had some of the best planes, and arguably the best tanks, of the war—but that doesn’t make said facts go away

 

[Tigerace117]

That's not a denial.

At least look up the words you're using before using them.

That absolutely is. Rather than face up to what Poland’s dictatorship did, you started wailing meaningless buzzwords.

Of course, none of this changes the fact that we’ve now throughly dismantled your narratives on just about eveyr level.

 

[Cosmo]

That absolutely is. Rather than face up to what Poland’s dictatorship did,

As I acknowledged, plenty of countries took pieces of plenty of other countries. Not sure why it's so difficult for you to comprehend. Is Russian your first language?

you started wailing meaningless buzzwords.

Of course, none of this changes the fact that we’ve now throughly dismantled your narratives on just about eveyr level.

 

[Tigerace117]

As I acknowledged, plenty of countries took pieces of plenty of other countries. Not sure why it's so difficult for you to comprehend. Is Russian your first language?

Oh look, more “Russia Russia Russia” wailing in place of an actual argument.

Glad we’ve established how utterly nonsensical your claim the USSR was a “Nazi ally” is.

 

[Cosmo]

Oh look, more “Russia Russia Russia” wailing in place of an actual argument.

Glad we’ve established how utterly nonsensical your claim the USSR was a “Nazi ally” is.

Sounds like you reached the end of your script. I see you're repeating yourself. Let's see if you can answer this one: what does Poland taking territory in the past change about Russia being Nazi Germany's World War II military ally?

 

[Tigerace117]

Sounds like you reached the end of your script. I see you're repeating yourself. Let's see if you can answer this one: what does Poland taking territory in the past change about Russia being Nazi Germany's World War II military ally?

Well, we’ve already established Russia wasn’t Nazi Germany’s military ally, because if it was the only American troops leaving the beaches on D-Day would have been corpses and POWs....if they were dumb enough to try at all.

So much for your narrative.

 

[Cosmo]

Well, we’ve already established Russia wasn’t Nazi Germany’s military ally, because if it was the only American troops leaving the beaches on D-Day would have been corpses and POWs..

That makes no sense. What does D-Day (1944) have to do with Russia alliance with Hitler (1939)?

..if they were dumb enough to try at all.

So much for your narrative.

 

[Tigerace117]

That makes no sense. What does D-Day (1944) have to do with Russia alliance with Hitler (1939)?

Russia was never allied with Hitler in the first place, as has been repeatedly pointed out to you.

America, on the other hand, happily allied with every fascist war criminal it could over the last seventy years.

 

[Cosmo]

Russia was never allied with Hitler in the first place, as has been repeatedly pointed out to you.

Sure they were! They jointly invaded Poland together. Remember? It was in 1939.

America, on the other hand, happily allied with every fascist war criminal it could over the last seventy years.

 

[Tigerace117]

Sure they were! They jointly invaded Poland together. Remember? It was in 1939.

Except they didn’t, because something isn’t “joint” if it starts at two complete different times.

And neither Britain nor France declared war on the Soviet Union, so clearly nobody at the time agreed with you either.

 

[Cosmo]

Except they didn’t, because something isn’t “joint” if it starts at two complete different times.

It started in the same month following a deal by the two parties splitting up the spoils.

And neither Britain nor France declared war on the Soviet Union, so clearly nobody at the time agreed with you either.

...and? Did the USSR declare war on Poland before they invaded? Does it mean there was no war? What a dumb argument you have!

 

[Tigerace117]

It started in the same month following a deal by the two parties splitting up the spoils.

...and? Did the USSR declare war on Poland before they invaded? Does it mean there was no war? What a dumb argument you have!

As has been repeatedly explained to you, the Soviets didn’t occupy the remnants of Poland’s Ukrainian lands until the Germans were already in Warsaw.

Gee dude, the British and French sure declared war on Germany, so they clearly didn’t have an issue going to war with the Nazis themselves and their actual allies. Funnily enough, though, they don’t seem to have given a shit about the “Russia Russia Russia” wailing.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Sure they were! They jointly invaded Poland together. Remember? It was in 1939.

@Tigerace117 embraces a History radically different than anything taught in American/European schools.

I strongly suspect 4chan influences.

 

[Tigerace117]

@Tigerace117 embraces a History radically different than anything taught in American/European schools.

I strongly suspect 4chan influences.

Uh....no, I don’t. Not sure when you went through school, but by college history classes nowadays most of the flag waving propaganda they push on younger students is more or less gone and you are allowed to face up to the truth.

Not that American apologists are able to do so, of course.

 

[Cosmo]

As has been repeatedly explained to you, the Soviets didn’t occupy the remnants of Poland’s Ukrainian lands until the Germans were already in Warsaw.

Does that make Russia's military alliance with Nazi Germany more palatable for you?

Gee dude, the British and French sure declared war on Germany, so they clearly didn’t have an issue going to war with the Nazis themselves and their actual allies. Funnily enough, though, they don’t seem to have given a shit about the “Russia Russia Russia” wailing.

 

[Tigerace117]

Does that make Russia's military alliance with Nazi Germany more palatable for you?

Hmm. Seeing as Russia wasn’t militarily allied with Nazi Germany, you doubling and tripling down on being wrong can’t actually change the facts.

 

[Cosmo]

Hmm. Seeing as Russia wasn’t militarily allied with Nazi Germany

Yep, they were. In 1939. Your references to D-Day (1944) leads me to believe you don't understand how time works.

you doubling and tripling down on being wrong can’t actually change the facts.