The Challenge of Marxism

[Individualism]

Remind me again why we are all supposed to devote so much time, effort and energy to worrying about Marxism.

You might not worry, but some of us that are involved in the private sector are, especially dealing directly with the issue personally. Please don't confuse me with a follower of Limbaugh that in between his cigar break utters the word communist like is another puff. This ideology might be treated as a joke here because some of you don't understand the reality of it.

One of main thing that the Marxists will do is go after the intellectual class by decreasing the value of a degree. Anyone with a 60 % average can go into a science program. Also universities are starting to prioritize gender, race, religion in their admission programs. Who knows, Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz or Isaac Newton's material might be soon declared unfit to be taught. Is their privilege's that made then invent calculus and derivates amongst other things. The social sciences sphere where the productivity is ZERO is growing year by year. As a champion of individualism I find this unacceptable. The universities should be a ground where people compete by MERIT regardless of other factors.

The movement is based on masses. It is very sad to see individuals that are struggling economically, addicts and idealists having their emotions used by these no roots marxists. These individuals time and time again divide the masses thinking that this will bring the collapse of the system in order to achieve an utopia. Chasing this insanity time and time in history this philosophy made more victims than religion ever came close to.

There is no division between an average individual in any groups (of course there is a percentage of racists in any group). The hatred and division happens when opportunists take advantage of certain issues in society.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You might not worry, but some of us that are involved in the private sector are, especially dealing directly with the issue personally. Please don't confuse me with a follower of Limbaugh that in between his cigar break utters the word communist like is another puff. This ideology might be treated as a joke here because some of you don't understand the reality of it.

One of main thing that the Marxists will do is go after the intellectual class by decreasing the value of a degree. Anyone with a 60 % average can go into a science program. Also universities are starting to prioritize gender, race, religion in their admission programs. Who knows, Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz or Isaac Newton's material might be soon declared unfit to be taught. Is their privilege's that made then invent calculus and derivates amongst other things. The social sciences sphere where the productivity is ZERO is growing year by year. As a champion of individualism I find this unacceptable. The universities should be a ground where people compete by MERIT regardless of other factors.

The movement is based on masses. It is very sad to see individuals that are struggling economically, addicts and idealists having their emotions used by these no roots marxists. These individuals time and time again divide the masses thinking that this will bring the collapse of the system in order to achieve an utopia. Chasing this insanity time and time in history this philosophy made more victims than religion ever came close to.

There is no division between an average individual in any groups (of course there is a percentage of racists in any group). The hatred and division happens when opportunists take advantage of certain issues in society.

I could be The Dude and say "Well, that's just like, your OPINION, man"

But that would be lazy.
But the fact is, it really IS just your opinion, and here's why:

First, you say that you've been affected personally but we never do hear any anecdotes about your personal experience and how marxism affected you directly.
I guess we have to just take it on faith, right?
You also assume I am not in the private sector.
Yeah, only thirty years as the owner of a post production and duplication facility and forty years as a Director of Photography working on film, TV and corporate productions.
As such, I come into contact with people from all segments and corners of every spectrum imaginable.
I've not only worked on conservative political ad productions, and faith based funded "movies of the week", I also spent decades shooting and cutting record label mv's for MTV.
I'm in the private sector, or was till about two and a half years ago, semi-retired now at sixty-four.

The ideology is treated as a joke because it is. There's no marxism beyond starry eyed youth who eventually learn to let go of their arrogance, as (nearly) all youth eventually do, and broaden their horizons.
Marxists devaluing degrees, eh?
How does that apply when we're looking at 100 percent ERSATZ being taken as genuine?
PragerU ring a bell? Glenn Beck? Trump University?
Come back when you've addressed the full court press from Team Trump, Betsy DeVos and the yokels of Liberty University, mmmkay?
You can no longer go there after Trump, and your cigar chomping is becoming deafening in your lopsided attacks on anything not bearing the Trump imprimatur.

So yeah, minus anything to back your claims, and with your one dimensional cardboard cutouts of marxists shattering Isaac Newton when in reality it's just some armband wearing spoiled brats who have been around in every generation since Plato, it really is...just your opinion, man.
Because you failed to provide anything more than that.

 

[dixon01767]

I could be The Dude and say "Well, that's just like, your OPINION, man"
But that would be lazy.
But the fact is, it really IS just your opinion, and here's why:

First, you say that you've been affected personally but we never do hear any anecdotes about your personal experience and how marxism affected you directly.

These BLM riots in the street are the intended result of neo-Marxist critical race theory.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

These BLM riots in the street are the intended result of neo-Marxist critical race theory.

They just might be.
And they aren't achieving the results BLM intended either, in fact maybe the opposite.
And that is precisely because most people, even those on the Democrat or left, aren't buying the marxism.

I know one group that is desperately claiming that we do.
It is the one thing that they have remaining to campaign on.



So what was your point?
Oh, lemme see, dixon01767....most likely:
Democrats are embracing violent marxist thugs because that is the world Joe Biden wants for us all.

Oh yeah, George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!! George Soros!! Killary!!


Was I close?

 

[Nickyjo]

What tripe. Even after 40 years of America's slide into fascism, the right is still crying the McCarthyism paranoia. Incredible.

Communism has never, and could never be, realized. Anybody on the left who believes in it is naive. Everybody on the right who seriously fears it is a rube. Every society who ever claimed to embody it was just a dictatorship.

The fascists, on the other hand, have actually flipped a few countries over the last hundred years. Their idea of using rabid nationalism, violence, fear and racism to control society has manifest in a few places. They cost MANY American lives. But where are the fascists being blacklisted today? On Twitter? Where are they being arrested and disappeared by communists? They're not. Give me a break. You're barking at the squirrel outside the window and ignoring the burglars at the back door.

Communism is the best thing to have happened to conservatives in the 20th century. As a character in Steinbeck put it, for the right “a communist is any SOB who asks for 40 cents an hour when I am paying 30.” Hence: industrial unions=communism, Medicare=communism, Cesar Chavez=communist, environmentalists=communists, liberal governments in Latin America=we have to invade to stop communism... and on and on.

 

[dixon01767]

So what was your point?

That decades of propaganda to convince people that America is racist and cops shoot people dead because they are black, leads to rioting in the streets. Before the verdict enough people were convinced in the Bronna taylor case that had she been white her death wouldn't of happened, that the shooting was unjustified and motivated by racism of the white officers, so that when the announcement of no charges came you get riots in the streets. Its Michael Brown, hands up, don't shoot BS played again.

 

[Individualism]

There were individuals that even when Rome was burning they were still emerged in non-ending hypocrisy and they could not understand how come the world was crumbling around them ? All they wanted to do is talk policy, taxes and they made themselves believe that the dangers lurking were just paranoia. You have a few on this forum, they appear every generation as well from Plato.

Furthermore, due to these individuals naivety masses of not so intelligent people of all races are threatening law and order in North America. My prediction will be that these individuals will act like the mayor of one Washington state city that had a change of heart as soon as it got too close to her house.

These uneducated masses come mostly from the university system which allowed mediocrity to take over the campus by selling a dream in my opinion.

Here is one example:

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

That decades of propaganda to convince people that America is racist and cops shoot people dead because they are black, leads to rioting in the streets. Before the verdict enough people were convinced in the Bronna taylor case that had she been white her death wouldn't of happened, that the shooting was unjustified and motivated by racism of the white officers, so that when the announcement of no charges came you get riots in the streets. Its Michael Brown, hands up, don't shoot BS played again.

You failed to make any connection to marxism and the entire cult of Trump repeatedly tries to tie marxism to the Democratic Party and Joe Biden. So again....
WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

 

[dixon01767]

You failed to make any connection to Marxism

??? Critical race theory IS neo-Marxism. No connection needs to be made. All the critical theories are neo Marxism.

 

[Individualism]

??? Critical race theory IS neo-Marxism. No connection needs to be made. All the critical theories are neo Marxism.

Yes, I agree, the economic marxist door is closed. Marxism is being tried now on racial grounds and other factors. The goal is the same, easier control over the masses. You divide and conquer, making think groups hate each other. Meanwhile the average individual just wants a good life. Some fall victim to these agitators.

The reaction based on history is grouping on the right in the forms of nationalism that can lead to fascism. Is interesting to observe far right groups like Proud Boys being multiracial.

This is something not to ignore as any group thinking leads to irrational thinking. Fascism is as evil and should be condemned.

The massess will do what they do, fight each other, who knows where it will lead but maintaining your individualism is the key to not get yourself in trouble. How many criminal records will the protestors have at the end of this ? both sides ? how many people will not be able to find a job due to playing a game for someone else ? Don't allow yourself to be a sheep, beeee.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

??? Critical race theory IS neo-Marxism. No connection needs to be made. All the critical theories are neo Marxism.

This sounds like an updated version of "MLK and Mandela were communists".
Not surprising, considering you just railed against "decades of propaganda to convince people that America is racist".

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yes, I agree, the economic marxist door is closed. Marxism is being tried now on racial grounds and other factors. The goal is the same, easier control over the masses. You divide and conquer, making think groups hate each other. Meanwhile the average individual just wants a good life. Some fall victim to these agitators.

The reaction based on history is grouping on the right in the forms of nationalism that can lead to fascism. Is interesting to observe far right groups like Proud Boys being multiracial.

This is something not to ignore as any group thinking leads to irrational thinking. Fascism is as evil and should be condemned.

The massess will do what they do, fight each other, who knows where it will lead but maintaining your individualism is the key to not get yourself in trouble. How many criminal records will the protestors have at the end of this ? both sides ? how many people will not be able to find a job due to playing a game for someone else ? Don't allow yourself to be a sheep, beeee.

It is very unfortunate that the leadership of these nascent groups are so convinced that idealism will act as justification for radicalism when the real prize is really just redress of grievances.
The grievance is that for four hundred years and even through a couple of Supreme Court cases, black lives have not mattered.
I choose not to focus on a seven year old group calling itself BLM but instead on BLACK LIVES, and why they ought to matter every bit as much as all other lives.

It is true that BLM has much much larger plans than just black lives mattering, but their plans are indeed based around marxism, and it is not selling in the mainstream. The root message is. But Americans have been shouting, marching and preaching that black lives matter for centuries. And that is why the root message sells but the marxism does not.
Almost nobody wants to be a marxist or you'd see them everywhere.

 

[dixon01767]

Yes, I agree, the economic marxist door is closed. Marxism is being tried now on racial grounds and other factors. The goal is the same, easier control over the masses. You divide and conquer, making think groups hate each other. Meanwhile the average individual just wants a good life. Some fall victim to these agitators.

Yes, inciting division between the proletariat and bourgeoisie is replaced with inciting division between white and black ........ and any other identity politics they can incite. . The rising up of the proletariat to bring about a revolution, predicted by marxism didnt occur. Neo marxism didnt come out of economics and instead is a product of sociology and psychology. They realized what was seen as destiny for Marx, would first require shaping the narrative to change the publics opinions first. The neo marxist hate it when they are labeled cultural marxist, but its an accurate characterization.

 

[dixon01767]

Almost nobody wants to be a marxist or you'd see them everywhere.

????? Marxism isnt something you see. And there are probably 10-20 useful pawns without a clue for every marxist to fill the streets with protesters / rioters.
And as demonstrated by the BLM website removing its about page that demonstrated their marxist roots, marxist usually try to play down their marxist roots.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

????? Marxism isnt something you see. And there are probably 10-20 useful pawns without a clue for every marxist to fill the streets with protesters / rioters.

Hey, YOU are the one seeing marxists everywhere, and it's tedious and tiresome.
I'm old enough to have lived through the first Red Scares and your nonsense does not impress me in the least.
By the way, if the United States was ever going to head in the direction of marxism or communism, it would have been in the 1930's.

 

[Paradoxical]

What tripe. Even after 40 years of America's slide into fascism, the right is still crying the McCarthyism paranoia. Incredible.

Communism has never, and could never be, realized. Anybody on the left who believes in it is naive. Everybody on the right who seriously fears it is a rube. Every society who ever claimed to embody it was just a dictatorship.

The fascists, on the other hand, have actually flipped a few countries over the last hundred years. Their idea of using rabid nationalism, violence, fear and racism to control society has manifest in a few places. They cost MANY American lives. But where are the fascists being blacklisted today? On Twitter? Where are they being arrested and disappeared by communists? They're not. Give me a break. You're barking at the squirrel outside the window and ignoring the burglars at the back door.

The fear and hate is on the left...always has been. Watched any MSM lately or read The MY Times or WaPo?

 

[Paradoxical]

Hey, YOU are the one seeing marxists everywhere, and it's tedious and tiresome.
I'm old enough to have lived through the first Red Scares and your nonsense does not impress me in the least.
By the way, if the United States was ever going to head in the direction of marxism or communism, it would have been in the 1930's.

2020 is the year of the Marxists. BLM is headed by them and idolized by the left.

 

[Guyzilla]

Good evening,

As an Eastern European whose family seen the horrors of communism which is based on the ideas of a self-hating drunk, Karl Marx, I found this article one of the best:

The Challenge of Marxism - Quillette

I advise everyone with an IQ over 100 to read the full text.

I might add that this idea of marxism also brings out the reaction of ultra-nationalism that is as toxic.

I will end with a question:

Is it idealism or pure propaganda that drives the younger generations to consider these ideas ?

nOONE, or very few westerners, consider communism, or even deep socialism. To think any of these, exist in a vacuum, is naive.

We cannot have unalloyed capitalism, for it has all the faults that Marx points out. So, you JUDICIOUSLY, add specs of socialism, really no communism, to create the PROPER mix.

 

[dixon01767]

This sounds like an updated version of "MLK and Mandela were communists".

Not at all. Are you even familiar with the term neo marxist?

Neo-Marxism - Wikipedia
is a Marxist school of thought encompassing 20th-century approaches that amend or extend Marxism and Marxist theory, typically by incorporating elements from other intellectual traditions such as critical theory, psychoanalysis, or existentialism (in the case of Jean-Paul Sartre).
As with many uses of the prefix neo-, some theorists and groups who are designated as neo-Marxists have attempted to supplement the perceived deficiencies of orthodox Marxism or dialectical materialism. Many prominent neo-Marxists, such as Herbert Marcuse and other members of the Frankfurt School, have historically been sociologists and psychologists.

Its economic Marxism extended to sociology and psychology.

 

[dixon01767]

Good evening,

As an Eastern European whose family seen the horrors of communism which is based on the ideas of a self-hating drunk, Karl Marx, I found this article one of the best:

The Challenge of Marxism - Quillette

I. The collapse of institutional liberalism

A fitting description. When ANTIFA was big in Germany, the Social Democrats, the liberals, were their main target. To ANTIFA capitalism is fascism.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Not at all. Are you even familiar with the term neo marxist?

Neo-Marxism - Wikipedia
is a Marxist school of thought encompassing 20th-century approaches that amend or extend Marxism and Marxist theory, typically by incorporating elements from other intellectual traditions such as critical theory, psychoanalysis, or existentialism (in the case of Jean-Paul Sartre).
As with many uses of the prefix neo-, some theorists and groups who are designated as neo-Marxists have attempted to supplement the perceived deficiencies of orthodox Marxism or dialectical materialism. Many prominent neo-Marxists, such as Herbert Marcuse and other members of the Frankfurt School, have historically been sociologists and psychologists.

Its economic Marxism extended to sociology and psychology.

Quite aware, and the sum total of that coffee klatch is relatively zilch.
The overwhelming majority of Americans, and even non-citizen legal residents of this great nation prefer capitalism and regular old bog standard republican constitutional democracy.
We have a crying need for our capitalism to be somewhat better regulated but no more so than fireworks and flammable liquids are regulated, what with capitalism being similar to FIRE.
And of course we have fire safety regulations for a very good reason.

You see marxism and neo-marxism cropping up everywhere just as the Birchers did in the 1950's.
I see a handful of nimrods who lack self-awareness, who think their nifty curricula can topple centuries of relative and comparative success.

Even other marxists attack neo-marxism:

"Its practitioners remind one of Narcissus, who in the Greek legend fell in love with his own reflection. Sometimes it is necessary to devote time to clarifying and developing the concepts that we use, but indeed for Western Marxists this has become an end in itself. The result is a body of writings incomprehensible to all but a tiny minority of highly qualified scholars."
Alex Callinicos

I find it amusing that people like you contradict yourselves on almost a daily basis via your construction of a kind of Shrodinger's Sociologist. On the one hand you scoff and demean the idea of sociology as a valid curriculum of study guaranteed to be worthless, but on the other hand here you are, almost making a caricature of yourself as your wring your hands over a handful of sociologists.

They can't be both weak and ineffectual AND dangerous thugs.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I. The collapse of institutional liberalism

A fitting description. When ANTIFA was big in Germany, the Social Democrats, the liberals, were their main target. To ANTIFA capitalism is fascism.

To Antifa today, being a Democrat is to be a traitor.
We aren't lefty enough, or marxist enough, and we're not anarchistic enough.
But yet here you are along with every other Trumper, desperately trying to hang the Antifa jacket on every Democrat and every liberal in here.
You know you're full of **** but just like Trump, you figure the bigger the lie....

 

[dixon01767]

To Antifa today, being a Democrat is to be a traitor.

I suspect we will see ANTIFA turnout to vote greater than ever before, mostly for Democrats or some obscure alternate party that doesnt have a chance, and zero support for Trump.

e aren't lefty enough, or marxist enough, and we're not anarchistic enough.
But yet here you are along with every other Trumper, desperately trying to hang the Antifa jacket on every Democrat and every liberal in here.
You know you're full of **** but just like Trump, you figure the bigger the lie....

Im the one attributing it all to Neo-marxism/critical race theory. But your not wrong in that you perceived that as criticism of democrats.

 

[dixon01767]

By the way, if the United States was ever going to head in the direction of marxism or communism, it would have been in the 1930's.

Exclude the democrats over 50 and Bernie Sanders would be the Democrats nominee. Another 10-20 years they will be running your show. Ocasio Cortez or the likes speaker of the house.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I suspect we will see ANTIFA turnout to vote greater than ever before, mostly for Democrats or some obscure alternate party that doesnt have a chance, and zero support for Trump.

Im the one attributing it all to Neo-marxism/critical race theory. But your not wrong in that you perceived that as criticism of democrats.

See, you do not know the first thing about Antifa.
They do not vote!
Most Antifa are anarchist, and anarchists do not vote, because voting is the democratic way of choosing one's government and anarchists do not believe in government of any kind.

"Whoever they vote for - we are ungovernable"



Obviously there are exceptions to every rule but the very foundation of Antifa is the red and the black, with red representing marxism/communism and the black representing anarchy.

I honestly don't give a rat's ass about your attributions.
You're a dishonest forum member and you're usually only here to post conspiracy theory tripe or red-baiting.