The Challenge of Marxism

[Individualism]

Sorry but that's a lot bullsh*t. A strong social safety net is the best way to get back on your feet. If you don't have to worry about not making rent or not afford to eat, or not afford to get medical help if you need it, you'll much easier find a new job or be able to school yourself to another profession.

How do you measure what exactly is good to get you back on your feet ? For some people having that assured enables laziness, for some people, me included having nothing can serve as a desire to achieve things and work hard. I will admit it here, I have my BIAS and you have yours.

 

[joluoto]

How do you measure what exactly is good to get you back on your feet ? For some people having that assured enables laziness, for some people, me included having nothing can serve as a desire to achieve things and work hard. I will admit it here, I have my BIAS and you have yours.

I live in a country with a strong social security net. I wouldn't have been able to get back on my feet without it.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Good evening,

As an Eastern European whose family seen the horrors of communism which is based on the ideas of a self-hating drunk, Karl Marx, I found this article one of the best:

The Challenge of Marxism - Quillette

I advise everyone with an IQ over 100 to read the full text.

I might add that this idea of marxism also brings out the reaction of ultra-nationalism that is as toxic.

I will end with a question:

Is it idealism or pure propaganda that drives the younger generations to consider these ideas ?

You’d have to cite some evidence that anyone with an IQ over 100 writes for Quillette.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

How do you measure what exactly is good to get you back on your feet ? For some people having that assured enables laziness, for some people, me included having nothing can serve as a desire to achieve things and work hard. I will admit it here, I have my BIAS and you have yours.

Who cares about those people who are lazy? Why do they weighted more than helping people who legitimately need help?

 

[Individualism]

Who cares about those people who are lazy? Why do they weighted more than helping people who legitimately need help?

AUTHOR: Chinese proverb
QUOTATION: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Don't tell me North America does not offer basic help. Me and thousand other immigrants came here with nothing, some fleeing persecution from ideologies that always lead to dictatorships like Marxism. We were too busy working than to stay and protest. Sometimes you sleep in the bed that you make. If you make poor decisions and are lazy is easier for individuals to listen to agitators like yourself that is ok to point the finger that society is the problem. This immigrant, now proud Canadian is not buying it.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

AUTHOR: Chinese proverb
QUOTATION: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Don't tell me North America does not offer basic help. Me and thousand other immigrants came here with nothing, some fleeing persecution from ideologies that always lead to dictatorships like Marxism. We were too busy working than to stay and protest. Sometimes you sleep in the bed that you make. If you make poor decisions and are lazy is easier for individuals to listen to agitators like yourself that is ok to point the finger that society is the problem. This immigrant, now proud Canadian is not buying it.

Oh. You’re...not American? Your arguments aren’t relevant than.

Good luck this winter! Thx.

 

[Individualism]

I live in a country with a strong social security net. I wouldn't have been able to get back on my feet without it.

How do you know that ? What if just having the basic needs provided will drive you to succeed the things that you don't have ? How exactly do you measure what is good for the individual ? Finding that middle point is tricky as each side thinks they are right. Debate is no longer: You are wrong, lets debate it is: You are evil, keep away.

The liberal movement which was a champion in this has been sabotaged by extremists. It went from Kennedy's words: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" to FREE STUFF.

 

[Craig234]

Bernie, inequality is largely due to the fact that Artificial Intelligence and automation is starting to be used by many business. Of course this would cause inequality, as the union worker is used to getting a fat cheque, benefits for doing blue collar work. The self serve option at fast foods created a lot of unemployment. What is the solution ? The solution is to learn and adapt, not to cry to the government for money, not to protest and be brainwashed by agitators for so called social issues but to fight to achieve as an individual.

Your comments are irrational. Not the part about automation having an effect, that's correct.

But the part about how it's only the workers to blame, and it's up to them to individually solve the problem. It's false and absurd. And, it'd propaganda to support inequality. And, you ignore the other issues than automation, such as tax policy, that are the dominant reasons for record inequality.

 

[joluoto]

How do you know that ? What if just having the basic needs provided will drive you to succeed the things that you don't have ? How exactly do you measure what is good for the individual ? Finding that middle point is tricky as each side thinks they are right. Debate is no longer: You are wrong, lets debate it is: You are evil, keep away.

The liberal movement which was a champion in this has been sabotaged by extremists. It went from Kennedy's words: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" to FREE STUFF.

I was unemployed for a year, during that year I filled job applications every day and went to countless interviews, without unemployment benefits I would have ended up on the street, but thanks to i I held on (that year still sucked) and was able to reeducate myself and in the end get a stable job.

 

[Individualism]

I was unemployed for a year, during that year I filled job applications every day and went to countless interviews, without unemployment benefits I would have ended up on the street, but thanks to i I held on (that year still sucked) and was able to reeducate myself and in the end get a stable job.

Are you comparing the population of Åland Islands with the population of Canada and US ? Of course that system can be maintain and somewhat functional in a population of 28,000. Also, the culture there from ancient times is towards community and socialism and let's face it people are more hard working there. The operating system will work on that computer. The same system will crash North America, especially the US. Take the majority of so called protesters in the street and after a day of hard work will go cry to Bernie Sanders that the capitalists are abusing him.

@Aunt Antifa

Are extremely relevant, me and my family lived the system that you envision and I can tell you it is not the Utopia that Mr. Karl Marx wrote about.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Are you comparing the population of Åland Islands with the population of Canada and US ? Of course that system can be maintain and somewhat functional in a population of 28,000. Also, the culture there from ancient times is towards community and socialism and let's face it people are more hard working there. The operating system will work on that computer. The same system will crash North America, especially the US. Take the majority of so called protesters in the street and after a day of hard work will go cry to Bernie Sanders that the capitalists are abusing him.

@Aunt Antifa

Are extremely relevant, me and my family lived the system that you envision and I can tell you it is not the Utopia that Mr. Karl Marx wrote about.

You have not lived any system i’ve envisioned and don’t seem to understand any of these concepts even a little. I’m totally disinterested in you and your family. I hope you’re thriving in your new home all the same.

 

[Individualism]

You have not lived any system i’ve envisioned and don’t seem to understand any of these concepts even a little. I’m totally disinterested in you and your family. I hope you’re thriving in your new home all the same.

I am sorry, I am not that evolved to understand certain progressive ideas. I am just an immigrant with a good family education that was taught to respect the house (nation) that we are in. Is probably shocking as immigrants & minorities are always supposed to be progressive.

This is one of the biggest mistakes that the right wing is doing. Republicans or conservatives, call them what you will, if they would learn to tone down the immigration negative rhetoric they will be surprised how many immigrants, minorities will refuse the ideas of the so called train of progress. Do you think the average Latino that flees socialism wants to come to the United States and listen to Bernie Sanders ?

 

[dave8383]

In capitalism there are winners and losers.

That is how the game is being played.

Ahh, life is not a game.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

I am sorry, I am not that evolved to understand certain progressive ideas. I am just an immigrant with a good family education that was taught to respect the house (nation) that we are in. Is probably shocking as immigrants & minorities are always supposed to be progressive.

This is one of the biggest mistakes that the right wing is doing. Republicans or conservatives, call them what you will, if they would learn to tone down the immigration negative rhetoric they will be surprised how many immigrants, minorities will refuse the ideas of the so called train of progress. Do you think the average Latino that flees socialism wants to come to the United States and listen to Bernie Sanders ?

Is more shocking that you think immigrants would write as one would stereotypically imagine them talking.

 

[joluoto]

Are you comparing the population of Åland Islands with the population of Canada and US ? Of course that system can be maintain and somewhat functional in a population of 28,000. Also, the culture there from ancient times is towards community and socialism and let's face it people are more hard working there. The operating system will work on that computer. The same system will crash North America, especially the US. Take the majority of so called protesters in the street and after a day of hard work will go cry to Bernie Sanders that the capitalists are abusing him.

@Aunt Antifa

Are extremely relevant, me and my family lived the system that you envision and I can tell you it is not the Utopia that Mr. Karl Marx wrote about.

I was living on the Finnish mainland at that time.

 

[Individualism]

A new survey released by the Washington, D.C., nonprofit Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation reflects that, if the younger generation gets out and votes, those running for office on the far left have reason to be hopeful.

36% of millennials polled say that they approve of communism, which is up significantly from 28% in 2018.

Also from the report include that 22% of millennials believe “society would be better if all private property was abolished,” and that 45% of Generation Z members and millennials believe that “all higher education should be free.”

Embracing Communism is spitting in the face of every single person slaughtered under Communist regimes throughout the world. For some reason, everyone knows about Nazis (which they should), but nothing about Lenin & Stalin who were equally as evil. I know the most about the former USSR, and didn't learn about it in school. That is not an excuse for ignoring history. Perhaps the people polled were looking at the good-on-paper aspect of everyone sharing & no one ever doing without basic needs. That's a nice thought, but cannot work in practice.

The definition of insanity is to try the same thing all over again but to expect different results.

 

[dave8383]

A new survey released by the Washington, D.C., nonprofit Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation reflects that, if the younger generation gets out and votes, those running for office on the far left have reason to be hopeful.

36% of millennials polled say that they approve of communism, which is up significantly from 28% in 2018.

Also from the report include that 22% of millennials believe “society would be better if all private property was abolished,” and that 45% of Generation Z members and millennials believe that “all higher education should be free.”

Embracing Communism is spitting in the face of every single person slaughtered under Communist regimes throughout the world. For some reason, everyone knows about Nazis (which they should), but nothing about Lenin & Stalin who were equally as evil. I know the most about the former USSR, and didn't learn about it in school. That is not an excuse for ignoring history. Perhaps the people polled were looking at the good-on-paper aspect of everyone sharing & no one ever doing without basic needs. That's a nice thought, but cannot work in practice.

The definition of insanity is to try the same thing all over again but to expect different results.

URL, please.

 

[Individualism]

URL, please.

2019 Poll | Victims of Communism

Fourth Annual Report On U.S. Attitudes Toward Socialism This year’s study showed increased support for communism (36%) among Millennials compared to 2018. Opinions of capitalism took a steep decline from 2018 to 2019, with only one-in-two among Millennials (ages 23-38)... Read More

victimsofcommunism.org

 

[dave8383]

2019 Poll | Victims of Communism

Fourth Annual Report On U.S. Attitudes Toward Socialism This year’s study showed increased support for communism (36%) among Millennials compared to 2018. Opinions of capitalism took a steep decline from 2018 to 2019, with only one-in-two among Millennials (ages 23-38)... Read More

victimsofcommunism.org

Thank you for the URL.

So, your overriding point is what? Vote for Trump?

 

[Individualism]

Thank you for the URL.

So, your overriding point is what? Vote for Trump?

I don't have a solution, I am like Karl Marx and his followers, no solutions just critique

Communists hate the country that live in too much and overstep on people's traditions and customs. In turn, this creates a reaction and other opposite groups start forming and it can lead to fascism. Fascists love their country too much and in turn step on individual rights. Both systems are proof that group mentality does not work and are both as evil in my opinion.

This has been happening for hundred of years, who started it really ? who knows, that is like the chicken and egg question.

 

[dave8383]

I don't have a solution, I am like Karl Marx and his followers, no solutions just critique

Communists hate the country that live in too much and overstep on people's traditions and customs. In turn, this creates a reaction and other opposite groups start forming and it can lead to fascism. Fascists love their country too much and in turn step on individual rights. Both systems are proof that group mentality does not work and are both as evil in my opinion.

This has been happening for hundred of years, who started it really ? who knows, that is like the chicken and egg question.

Well, I'd disagree with you in terms of the young here in America hating this country. I have some grandchildren in their 20s who lean pretty far left but they don't hate this country. They just feel a strong sense of responsibility in terms of helping the disadvantaged.

 

[dixon01767]

I have previously posted why "capitalism" and "communism" are false labels for the issues, and prevent people understanding the issues, and better labels for the US are "Democratic capitalism" and "Plutocratic capitalism".

Which countries have democratic capitalism?

 

[dixon01767]

I don't have a solution, I am like Karl Marx and his followers, no solutions just critique

Marx's solution was to convince the proletariat that its all the bourgeoisie fault, incite division between the classes to a violent revolution by the proletariat to tear the system down. Much like the neo Marxist today inciting division between the black and white or any group identity division they can exploit. All this critical race theory about is a product of Marxism.

 

[Craig234]

Which countries have democratic capitalism?

European countries are closer to it, see countries like Norway.

 

[dixon01767]

How do you measure what exactly is good to get you back on your feet ? For some people having that assured enables laziness, for some people, me included having nothing can serve as a desire to achieve things and work hard. I will admit it here, I have my BIAS and you have yours.

Ocasio Cortez, one of our popular on the left legislators calls for
"economic security to all those who are unable or unwilling to work"
Little bit of economic insecurity can be a strong economic motivator. We already have a historically low employment participation rate. It was improving pre COVID, I suspect its back down already.