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Texas Secessionsts Win GOP Backing for Independence Vote: 'Major Step'

Along Came Jones

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Plank 203 of the Texas GOP's [2024] official legislative platform, under the title of "Texas Independence," states: "The Texas Legislature should pass a bill in its next session requiring a referendum in the next General Election for the people of Texas to determine whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation. This referendum should be a legislative priority."

Separately under the "state sovereignty," section Plank 20 called for "federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas shall be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified" adding: "Texas retains the right to secede from the United States." -- James Bickerton, Newsweek, 6/12/2024

Sheer lunacy. These planks were adopted at the Texas Republican Party convention held in San Antonio between May 23 and 25. Sheer lunacy. Even if the bill should escape the sane temperament of the State Affairs committee and appear on a referendum, which it failed to do the last time back in 2022, there is no provision in Texas or federal law to revoke the annexation. The Civil War and later a USSC decision in Texas v White formally bound the states together in a permanent union. Per the terms of annexation, Texas may or may not have retained the right to divide itself into as many as five states, but that ain't gonna happen either.

Sometimes I think the state GOP organization and the state GOP officeholders belong to two separate political parties.
 
I'm just hoping that if Texas does decide to leave then it does so peacefully.

Scotland may leave the UK and being English I'd prefer they stay it's a decision for them and I wish them well if they do decide to leave.
 
Trump was talking about buying Greenland so how about you have an auction and put Texas up for sale?

I'll start the bidding at £20.
 
Along Came Jones said:
Plank 203 of the Texas GOP's [2024] official legislative platform, under the title of "Texas Independence," states: "The Texas Legislature should pass a bill in its next session requiring a referendum in the next General Election for the people of Texas to determine whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation. This referendum should be a legislative priority."

Separately under the "state sovereignty," section Plank 20 called for "federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas shall be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified" adding: "Texas retains the right to secede from the United States." -- James Bickerton, Newsweek, 6/12/2024

Sheer lunacy. These planks were adopted at the Texas Republican Party convention held in San Antonio between May 23 and 25. Sheer lunacy. Even if the bill should escape the sane temperament of the State Affairs committee and appear on a referendum, which it failed to do the last time back in 2022, there is no provision in Texas or federal law to revoke the annexation. The Civil War and later a USSC decision in Texas v White formally bound the states together in a permanent union. Per the terms of annexation, Texas may or may not have retained the right to divide itself into as many as five states, but that ain't gonna happen either.

Sometimes I think the state GOP organization and the state GOP officeholders belong to two separate political parties.
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As a matter of law, they cannot secede.

In any event, if they do, they lose all federal backing, resources, and will be a 3rd world nation. Civilians there would be given the chance to move out of that hole. MILLIONS would take it.
 
If this does start to happen I wonder if it will open the floodgates for a bunch of Republican held states?
 
Peter said:
If this does start to happen I wonder if it will open the floodgates for a bunch of Republican held states?
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No. Only Texas and Hawaii entered the union as independent nations. But if the crazies can claim a right to resurrect the Republic of Texas, I suppose anybody anywhere can puff up a fantasy.
 
Well, a lot of MAGA states are acting like their own country and the Supreme MAGA Court seems to be on their side in this. The United States is already feeling divided and more like the EU. I think they do have a bit of a chance in this.

I do think, in the end, this is the desire of the majority of MAGA voters, they talk about it all the time. They want their own country. I do wonder if TX get's it's wish, if all the MAGAs will make the trek to Texas to enjoy the fruits of the Religious Right. I have a feeling they would, and Texas would have plenty of happy people, living in a Christian Nation.

I do hope there's a lib relocation package, because that would really suck for them. They're already feeling divided from America's protection as of late.
 
I wonder if the Republicans realize they'd be screwed without Texas and their Electoral Votes and House Reps? Plus Texas also wouldn't have any US military bases or servicemembers in that state. They'd lose all federal departments, so then they'd have to fund things like mail, the border, and giving money to Israel.
 
roguenuke said:
I wonder if the Republicans realize they'd be screwed without Texas and their Electoral Votes and House Reps? Plus Texas also wouldn't have any US military bases or servicemembers in that state. They'd lose all federal departments, so then they'd have to fund things like mail, the border, and giving money to Israel.
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They'd have their militias to step in. It would definitely be a shift, but who knows, maybe they'd become what they've always dreamed of. Little Russia!
 
Along Came Jones said:
Plank 203 of the Texas GOP's [2024] official legislative platform, under the title of "Texas Independence," states: "The Texas Legislature should pass a bill in its next session requiring a referendum in the next General Election for the people of Texas to determine whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation. This referendum should be a legislative priority."

Separately under the "state sovereignty," section Plank 20 called for "federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas shall be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified" adding: "Texas retains the right to secede from the United States." -- James Bickerton, Newsweek, 6/12/2024

Sheer lunacy. These planks were adopted at the Texas Republican Party convention held in San Antonio between May 23 and 25. Sheer lunacy. Even if the bill should escape the sane temperament of the State Affairs committee and appear on a referendum, which it failed to do the last time back in 2022, there is no provision in Texas or federal law to revoke the annexation. The Civil War and later a USSC decision in Texas v White formally bound the states together in a permanent union. Per the terms of annexation, Texas may or may not have retained the right to divide itself into as many as five states, but that ain't gonna happen either.

Sometimes I think the state GOP organization and the state GOP officeholders belong to two separate political parties.
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Let 'em go.

Without Texas, the Republicans lose control of congress and the rest of the nation. America without Texas becomes blue.

And Texas stops costing the rest of America so much money in government social programs because they won't pay their lowest paid workers enough to live on.

America without Texas retains virtually all of our military, and we can pull any assets out of Texas we want to.

And Texas stops costing us so much in FEMA funding.

So what, exactly, does Texas do for the rest of America anyway?
 
Helix said:
Sorry, not sorry, secessionists. You can leave, but you can't take Texas with you.
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There are ‘little texas’ secessionist movements all over reich-land 🇺🇸
 
In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the court held that individual states could not unilaterally secede from the Union and that the acts of the insurgent Texas Legislature — even if ratified by a majority of Texans — were “absolutely null.”
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www.texastribune.org

No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth

The theme of independence has recurred throughout the history of Texas, which was a republic from 1836–45. But the Civil War established that a state cannot secede.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org

Of course the current SCOTUS will do whatever they want for whatever political outcome they want, but the current law is that Texas’s referendum means nothing.
 
People propose all sorts of things, not all of them have a chance of success.
Some laws are written on paper, some are based on judicial interpretation.
The idea that states cannot secede from the Union, is written in the blood of
over 600,000 solders on both sides upon the soil of the land.
I think the results of the civil war, sets a higher precedent, than any court could pass.
 
Ginger Ale said:
They'd have their militias to step in. It would definitely be a shift, but who knows, maybe they'd become what they've always dreamed of. Little Russia!
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I think maybe some explanation. They would lose out on the economic benefit from having US military in certain areas. It is guaranteed housing economy (military gets BAH when allowed to live off base, meaning civilian housing with tenants that owners/apartments managers know they can go to the military if there are any major issues). Then there is the influx of people who will be spending money there, whether it is bars and eating out or regular commerce (especially military families) or that additional bump from graduations (Air Force basic training is currently done in San Antonio-Lackland TX, along with several other schools there). There are a number of bases in TX that would no longer be there, especially those training bases. I was mainly thinking about the economy in some areas falling because the US military would be yanked in most, if not all parts of TX should this succeed.

While NG and militia do have some equipment, they don't have submarines or aircraft carriers or most actual military jets and other such much larger equipment. There's also things like currency, treaties, recognition by other countries, actual reliable power. Then there's the very likely possibility that a number of businesses will move out of Texas, preferring to remain a "US based company" which they wouldn't be if Texas became it's own country. Sure, they might get some others to move in, but likely not as many that move out.
 
Slartibartfast said:
www.texastribune.org

No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth

The theme of independence has recurred throughout the history of Texas, which was a republic from 1836–45. But the Civil War established that a state cannot secede.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org

Of course the current SCOTUS will do whatever they want for whatever political outcome they want, but the current law is that Texas’s referendum means nothing.
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There is a gop VP candidate that’s running well under the radar …
 
longview said:
People propose all sorts of things, not all of them have a chance of success.
Some laws are written on paper, some are based on judicial interpretation.
The idea that states cannot secede from the Union, is written in the blood of
over 600,000 solders on both sides upon the soil of the land.
I think the results of the civil war, sets a higher precedent, than any court could pass.
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Texas Gov. ‘Jade Helm’ Abbott will continue to send his kidnapped prisoners to Chicago during the Chicago 2.0 convention as tRump pissed all over Milwaukee yesterday.
 
Honestly, if SCOTUS comes up with some ruling about Texas being a special case, I am not sure I would be upset about it.

A lot of those electoral votes would go to blue states.

It would be like removing a gangrenous toe to save the body.
 
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