Texas prof resigns from law firm after tweeting he'd be 'ok' with DeVos sexual assaul

[ttwtt78640]

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I don't understand your contention. Are you saying that using alcohol as a date rape drug shouldn't be punishable?

Your assumption that college women are too stupid to drink (or drug) responsibly is noted.

Gosh, I thought I could trust whatever his name was to not have sex with me when I was stoned out of my mind. He should be kicked off campus for pulling that completely unexpected move that I was never ever warned about.

 

[Hawkeye10]

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Your assumption that college women are too stupid to drink (or drug) responsibly is noted.

Gosh, I thought I could trust whatever his name was to not have sex with me when I was stoned out of my mind. He should be kicked off campus for pulling that completely unexpected move that I was never ever warned about.

They have been clearly told that they dont have to, they play no part in the situations they get themselves into, it's one of the commandments of Victim Culture. .

Suggesting that women should act responsibly now gets one told off for the alleged crime "Hostility Towards Victims".

 

[ttwtt78640]

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They have been clearly told that they dont have to, they play no part in the situations they get themselves into, it's one of the commandments of Victim Culture. .

Suggesting that women should act responsibly now gets one told off for the alleged crime "Hostility Towards Victims".

Well, her having less than a great time on her last drunken adventure is just as bad, if not worse, as having his opportunity to attend college ended so they're basically even - justice was done.

 

[Bum]

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Texas prof resigns from law firm after tweeting he'd be 'ok' with DeVos sexual assault

Well...isn't that a bit awkward?

 

[Nap]

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Nothing was actually debunked, i think you simply don't like the meaning of the phrase "sexual assault".

When the very same people that did the study you are using as a source say:

First and foremost, the 1-in-5 statistic is*not*a nationally representative estimate of the prevalence of sexual assault, and we have never presented it as being representative of anything other than the population of senior undergraduate women at the two universities where data were collected—two large public universities, one in the South and one in the Midwest.

It pretty much means your 1 in 5 talking point is debunked. So if you insist on using it, then please provide something to back it up rather than a web survey based solely on 2 universities that even the creators say is not an accurate representation of the nation.

 

[Absentglare]

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Your assumption that college women are too stupid to drink (or drug) responsibly is noted.

Gosh, I thought I could trust whatever his name was to not have sex with me when I was stoned out of my mind. He should be kicked off campus for pulling that completely unexpected move that I was never ever warned about.

No, i wasn't saying that women shouldn't drink, i was saying that people shouldn't think it's appropriate to have sex with a drunk person simply because they don't resist.

Date rape (also known as acquaintance rape) is a form of rape in which there is a potential romantic or sexual relationship between the two partners in the moment the sexual assault occurs. The perpetrator uses physical or psychological intimidation to force a victim to have sex against his or her will, or when the perpetrator has sex with a victim who is incapable of giving consent because they have been incapacitated by drugs or alcohol.[12] According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) date rapes are among the higher number of rape cases.[13] Date rape most commonly takes place among college students under the symptoms of alcohol or date rape drugs consumption that makes the abuse more accessible. One of the most targeted groups are women between the ages of 16 to 24.[14][15]

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On a cultural level, students say that they don't know how to define date rape; if it can't be defined, then it's hard to report or discipline. On an individual level, after a date rape occurs, the victim often punishes or doubts themselves. When the victim considers talking about the rape with friends, trust between them may have deteriorated. If the victim is unsure how his or her friends are going to react, he or she may decide to say nothing; this decision happens at the situational/interpersonal level. In the immediate context of the rape, the victim may have a difficult time articulating their lack of consent.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape

Again, it's not a simple issue.

 

[Absentglare]

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They have been clearly told that they dont have to, they play no part in the situations they get themselves into, it's one of the commandments of Victim Culture. .

Suggesting that women should act responsibly now gets one told off for the alleged crime "Hostility Towards Victims".

Do you think drunk women deserve to be raped? I don't.

Kids use drugs, they shouldn't be pressuring one another into unwanted sex.

 

[Absentglare]

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When the very same people that did the study you are using as a source say:



It pretty much means your 1 in 5 talking point is debunked. So if you insist on using it, then please provide something to back it up rather than a web survey based solely on 2 universities that even the creators say is not an accurate representation of the nation.

No, you're mixing up sources. You are referencing the study that represents college students, rather than the study that represents the overall statistic.

 

[Hawkeye10]

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Do you think drunk women deserve to be raped? I don't.

Kids use drugs, they shouldn't be pressuring one another into unwanted sex.

Nobody should be raped, and we all need to do our part, to include potential victims.

 

[Nap]

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No, you're mixing up sources. You are referencing the study that represents college students, rather than the study that represents the overall statistic.

In post #31, you stated that 1 in 5 women are sexually assaulted on college campuses, I asked you to back up that statement and you provided the Campus sexual assault study in post #56 as the source for the 1 in 5 number specifically. The authors of that study are the ones who wrote the Time article that I linked in post #61.

The study was a web survey consisting of students in two schools. The sample size is far too small to make any kind of conclusion in reference to campuses across America.

To put this into perspective, let's say I picked 2 random states from the 2016 election. There is a decent chance that of the 50 states 2 states that went for Trump get picked for the hypothetical study. Now using those states we conclude that the nation supports Trump 58% (random %) over Hillary. We know this is a completely false statement and that is with a sample size of 2 out of 50, do you think 2 schools out of the hundreds of schools in America is likely going to give an accurate representation?

 

[Gaius46]

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There's no need to denigrate the 20% of women who report suffering some form of sexual assault based on a dozen cherries that Betsy DeVos plucked, either.



Why not?



That's not true. The subset of women who attend college have roughly the same report rate of women in general over their lifetime. That just means those 4-7 years spent at college have a higher risk of sexual assault per year.

I'm not denigrating women who suffered sexual assault. We have a strong presumption of innocence in this country. Someone should not be penalized simply because someone else said they did wrong. Saying it needs to be more than just her word doesn't denigrate anyone.

Thinking about it you're right. I was mistaken about the stats. Thanks. Comment withdrawn.

 

[Praxas]

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Texas prof resigns from law firm after tweeting he'd be 'ok' with DeVos sexual assault

In the long run, these cheap shots don't pay off. But if the haters keep hating, I don't mind seeing them resign from their jobs, as a continual lesson to everyone.

I don't mind them being held accountable for it either, now if only the Trump supporters would hold Trump to the same accountability with his cheap shot comments, they would be less hypocritical.

Although Trump supporters shouldn't be mad at this professor, because to them it's all just locker room talk right?

 

[American]

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I don't mind them being held accountable for it either, now if only the Trump supporters would hold Trump to the same accountability with his cheap shot comments, they would be less hypocritical.

Although Trump supporters shouldn't be mad at this professor, because to them it's all just locker room talk right?

It's a losing argument for you. But have at it.

 

[ludin]

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Texas prof resigns from law firm after tweeting he'd be 'ok' with DeVos sexual assault

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ting-hed-be-ok-with-devos-sexual-assault.html


In the long run, these cheap shots don't pay off. But if the haters keep hating, I don't mind seeing them resign from their jobs, as a continual lesson to everyone.

all it shows is how vile and vicious these people are.
this is yet another showing of how tolerant these people are.

 

[Absentglare]

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In post #31, you stated that 1 in 5 women are sexually assaulted on college campuses, I asked you to back up that statement and you provided the Campus sexual assault study in post #56 as the source for the 1 in 5 number specifically. The authors of that study are the ones who wrote the Time article that I linked in post #61.

The study was a web survey consisting of students in two schools. The sample size is far too small to make any kind of conclusion in reference to campuses across America.

Ah, throw out the available data because you find it inconvenient? Pretty dishonest move.

"Using items similar to the NCVS, the NCWSV study—a telephone survey with a national sample of 4,446 college women—found that 2.8% of college women had experienced a completed and/or attempted rape during the current academic year3 and estimated that between 20% and 25% of women will experience a completed and/or attempted rape during their college career (Fisher, Cullen, & Turner, 2000)."

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/182369.pdf

To put this into perspective, let's say I picked 2 random states from the 2016 election. There is a decent chance that of the 50 states 2 states that went for Trump get picked for the hypothetical study. Now using those states we conclude that the nation supports Trump 58% (random %) over Hillary. We know this is a completely false statement and that is with a sample size of 2 out of 50, do you think 2 schools out of the hundreds of schools in America is likely going to give an accurate representation?

Do you not understand how statistics work?

 

[Cardinal]

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Texas prof resigns from law firm after tweeting he'd be 'ok' with DeVos sexual assault

Texas prof resigns from law firm after tweeting he'd be 'ok' with DeVos sexual assault | Fox News


In the long run, these cheap shots don't pay off. But if the haters keep hating, I don't mind seeing them resign from their jobs, as a continual lesson to everyone.

Alcohol and/or coke. It's the only reasonable explanation for why educated people keep doing this.

 

[Gina]

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There is no excuse for anyone making that suggestion about anyone. It's disgusting and shows what kind of a person they are.

 

[Anthony60]

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Apparently many can't learn from this, and btw I didn't call for a resignation; I said I didn't mind it. Now you could learn from this given the cheap shot you just took.

This thread has served the purpose of both bringing up this idiot, and also allowing us to see a few on these boards that are foolish enough to compare what this guy said about an individual to what Trump has said about nobody in particular, and thinking they are comparable.

 

[Nap]

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Ah, throw out the available data because you find it inconvenient? Pretty dishonest move.

"Using items similar to the NCVS, the NCWSV study—a telephone survey with a national sample of 4,446 college women—found that 2.8% of college women had experienced a completed and/or attempted rape during the current academic year3 and estimated that between 20% and 25% of women will experience a completed and/or attempted rape during their college career (Fisher, Cullen, & Turner, 2000)."

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/182369.pdf



Do you not understand how statistics work?

Why would it be inconvenient for me? While I would rather believe we as a society are better than that, I also don't doubt the human capacity for evil. It makes no difference to me if that stat is true or not other than having an even lower view of the American populace.

What I find funny is that you accuse me of throwing out data as being "inconvenient" by quoting the researchers of the source you provided who say you are misrepresenting the findings of their study.

 

[Absentglare]

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Why would it be inconvenient for me? While I would rather believe we as a society are better than that, I also don't doubt the human capacity for evil. It makes no difference to me if that stat is true or not other than having an even lower view of the American populace.

What I find funny is that you accuse me of throwing out data as being "inconvenient" by quoting the researchers of the source you provided who say you are misrepresenting the findings of their study.

You are misrepresenting what they said. They made no such evaluation of my assessment. Their data is consistent with the view that sexual assault is much more prevalent than DOJ statistics would suggest, especially among college students, precisely because so many who are sexually assaulted are afraid to come forward.

You are desperate to deflect from that reality and are making excuses to muddy the waters. There is no reason for the waters to be muddy. We know that women in college are often coerced into sexual activity. We know that alcohol is the number one date rape drug. President Obama's guidance to stop sweeping sexual assault allegations under the rug is the right thing to do.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

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I had to laugh at this:

"Ranco is an adjunct professor of paralegal studies at Austin Community College"

So he was an almost professor of almost law at a Community College.

Yes, a nobody who became somebody because he did something stupid. Maybe that was the goal.

People do dumb crap all the time. Fox reports, you decide.

 

[apdst]

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Alcohol and/or coke. It's the only reasonable explanation for why educated people keep doing this.

Stop conflating education with intelligence. That might help explain why it keeps happening.

 

[Nap]

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You are misrepresenting what they said. They made no such evaluation of my assessment. Their data is consistent with the view that sexual assault is much more prevalent than DOJ statistics would suggest, especially among college students, precisely because so many who are sexually assaulted are afraid to come forward.

You are desperate to deflect from that reality and are making excuses to muddy the waters. There is no reason for the waters to be muddy. We know that women in college are often coerced into sexual activity. We know that alcohol is the number one date rape drug. President Obama's guidance to stop sweeping sexual assault allegations under the rug is the right thing to do.

This is the direct quote:

If you’ve followed the discussion about sexual assault on college campuses in America, it’s likely you’ve heard some variation of the claim that 1 in 5 women on college campuses in the United States has been sexually assaulted or raped. Or you may have heard the even more incorrect abbreviated version, that 1 in 5 women on campus has been*raped.

As two of the researchers who conducted the Campus Sexual Assault Study from which this number was derived, we feel we need to set the record straight. Although we used the best methodology available to us at the time, there are caveats that make it inappropriate to use the 1-in-5 number in the way it’s being used today, as a baseline or the only statistic when discussing our country’s problem with rape and sexual assault on campus.

First and foremost, the 1-in-5 statistic is*not*a nationally representative estimate of the prevalence of sexual assault, and we have never presented it as being representative of anything other than the population of senior undergraduate women at the two universities where data were collected—two large public universities, one in the South and one in the Midwest.

How am I misrepresenting them?

 

[Absentglare]

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This is the direct quote:



How am I misrepresenting them?

I didn't use it as the only statistic.

Go read the other study i cited so you can make up some pathetic excuse to hand wave the data away. You'll have to come up with something other than that it's only a single study, you already played that card and i already countered it.

 

[Nap]

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I didn't use it as the only statistic.

Go read the other study i cited so you can make up some pathetic excuse to hand wave the data away. You'll have to come up with something other than that it's only a single study, you already played that card and i already countered it.

You mean the other study that expands the definition of sexual assault to pestering someone or stalking? If you expand the definition of something then of course you are going to get inflated responses.

You didn't use it as the only statistic, but that was the one I called you out on. You said "1 in 5 women are sexually assaulted on our college campuses" then sourced a study for your claim. Those same researchers have since stated that is an incorrect statement. So we are supposed to believe your interpretation of their study or the people that created the study?