Texas inmates being "cooked alive" without AC

[Frances farmer]

rule #1 of life - don't do bad stuff and go to prison

There's almost certainly a few wrongful convictions among these prisoners.

 

[Grand Mal]

BS crimes are all about right and wrong, morality, and all know it ALL.

Not.
There's people doing life for pot in the US. No guns involved, no kids involved, just pot. Life.
Is that morality? Right and wrong? The law is just the law. It's not right and wrong, it's not morality, it's just the law.
That's why it's so different a few miles down the road.

 

[Grand Mal]

You realise there's a vast gulf between wanting to treat prisoners with respect and letting them out?
You seem hellbent on treating people in prison as badly as possible and then being absoluetely shocked when they don't come out as saints.

People like you is why the US prison system is the broken mess it is.

And why the US is the most penalised country in the world. For one thing, prisons are a profitable industry, which was about the worst thing that could happen to the justice system.

 

[SavannahMann]

Air conditioning didn’t exist when the constitution was written and so there can be no argument that AC is a right.

no one in prison is innocent, you only get into prison by being found guilty

Interesting. So if it didn’t exist at the time the Constitution was written there is no right to it now, is that your position?

 

[stealthycat]

Are you OK with prisoners literally being cooked alive?

well they're not being cooked alive

poor wittle things are without AC and its 100 degrees .... do you know what I call that?

my childhood and my Dad's and every generation before him without AC and its hot outside

 

[stealthycat]

Out of curiosity, would you be okay with the January 6th rioters being kept in such conditions?

of course

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Link?

41 people
At least 41 people have died in uncooled prisons in Texas during the state's record-breaking heat wave12. However, the Texas Department of Criminal Justice claims there have been no heat-related deaths in the state's prisons since 20123.

Texas inmates are being ‘cooked to death’ in extreme heat, complaint alleges

With the threat of another hot summer ahead, advocates asked a federal judge to declare 100-degree-plus conditions in uncooled Texas facilities unconstitutional.

www.texastribune.org

 

[ColdHardTruth]

well they're not being cooked alive

poor wittle things are without AC and its 100 degrees .... do you know what I call that?

my childhood and my Dad's and every generation before him without AC and its hot outside

Wrong as usual.

Texas inmates are being ‘cooked to death’ in extreme heat, complaint alleges

With the threat of another hot summer ahead, advocates asked a federal judge to declare 100-degree-plus conditions in uncooled Texas facilities unconstitutional.

www.texastribune.org

 

[Peter]

well they're not being cooked alive

poor wittle things are without AC and its 100 degrees .... do you know what I call that?

my childhood and my Dad's and every generation before him without AC and its hot outside

Were you confined to a small room you couldn't leave or have any control over?

 

[zincwarrior]

Wrong as usual.

Texas inmates are being ‘cooked to death’ in extreme heat, complaint alleges

With the threat of another hot summer ahead, advocates asked a federal judge to declare 100-degree-plus conditions in uncooled Texas facilities unconstitutional.

www.texastribune.org

One issue that arises is that, while historically, well nothing was air conditioned, air conditioning has become a standard in the US. In several jurisdictions, the warranty of habitability requires AC, just it requires heat in northern states. As the expectations change, well, the expectations change. This is not helped where states may require local jails to be air conditioned.

Inversely from what I have read, not all Federal prisons are HVAC'd either.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

One issue that arises is that, while historically, well nothing was air conditioned, air conditioning has become a standard in the US. In several jurisdictions, the warranty of habitability requires AC, just it requires heat in northern states. As the expectations change, well, the expectations change. This is not helped where states may require local jails to be air conditioned.

Inversely from what I have read, not all Federal prisons are HVAC'd either.

Perhaps not, but most of the prisons are not in places where heat can be lethal. Texas has long had issues with type of behavior and now it needs to cost them money.

 

[stealthycat]

Were you confined to a small room you couldn't leave or have any control over?

I never made choices to get myself incarcerated

This new idea of "oh, its hot outside" blows my mind

I'd work 10 hours a day in a hayfield and it 110 heat index - and guess what? every man and woman who ever worked hard in the fields, mines, rock quarries, steel mills etc etc over the last few hundreds years did the same

no, I'm sure the heat isn't comfortable, but I'm also very very leery of any report that says "being cooked alive" when that means a temperature way way hotter than 100

 

[rhinefire]

Are you OK with prisoners literally being cooked alive?

Silly description "cooked alive." Try being factual.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

well they're not being cooked alive

poor wittle things are without AC and its 100 degrees .... do you know what I call that?

my childhood and my Dad's and every generation before him without AC and its hot outside

You'd be totally cool with it if Trump's prison lacked AC in the summer then, yes?

Don't do the crimes if you cant do the time, amirite?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I never made choices to get myself incarcerated
This new idea of "oh, its hot outside" blows my mind
I'd work 10 hours a day in a hayfield and it 110 heat index - and guess what? every man and woman who ever worked hard in the fields, mines, rock quarries, steel mills etc etc over the last few hundreds years did the same
no, I'm sure the heat isn't comfortable, but I'm also very very leery of any report that says "being cooked alive" when that means a temperature way way hotter than 100

You're gonna let Trump sweat off them pounds without complaint if Trump's cell lacks AC?

 

[rhinefire]

So, what exactly is your plan for prisoners?
Personally I'd like them to be treated with a bit of respect and given the chance to train for a job when they get out and maybe even be able to have day release near the end of their sentence to embed themselves into a job somewhere so they can have enough money to have a basic standard of living when they get out.

I suppose that means I'm living in a fantasy world as we should treat like shit and then throw them out of prison with no way to get a job or pay bills.

Let's stop putting 100% of the prisoners into one category. There are horrible people in prisons and people that simply broke the law. I am all for executions for those that commit horrible crimes against humanity, and I don't give a damn about their living conditions. As for the others I say prison should be a place to learn where you will spend part of your life should you decide the laws don't apply to you.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Interesting. So if it didn’t exist at the time the Constitution was written there is no right to it now, is that your position?

It is interesting to wonder if @EMNofSeattle also thinks the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets.

 

[Peter]

It is interesting to wonder if @EMNofSeattle also thinks the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets.

If the law only applies to things that existed at the time of the founding there would be no regulations on any manufacturing and the internet would be a lawless free-for-all.

 

[Phys251]

well they're not being cooked alive

poor wittle things are without AC and its 100 degrees .... do you know what I call that?

my childhood and my Dad's and every generation before him without AC and its hot outside

And denied access to drinking water. Your support for cruelty is noted.

Silly description "cooked alive." Try being factual.

As is yours.

 

[zincwarrior]

I never made choices to get myself incarcerated

This new idea of "oh, its hot outside" blows my mind

I'd work 10 hours a day in a hayfield and it 110 heat index - and guess what? every man and woman who ever worked hard in the fields, mines, rock quarries, steel mills etc etc over the last few hundreds years did the same

no, I'm sure the heat isn't comfortable, but I'm also very very leery of any report that says "being cooked alive" when that means a temperature way way hotter than 100

This is the counterargument of course. One oppositional factor is that the facilities may reach higher temperature then that. I believe 120 was stated.

 

[jaypatriot]

Interesting. So if it didn’t exist at the time the Constitution was written there is no right to it now, is that your position?

Where is it written that prisoners have a right to air conditioning?
Were there any A/C units visible in the movies "Cool Hand Luke" or "Shawshank Redemption" or "Escape from Alcatraz" or "White Heat"?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

If the law only applies to things that existed at the time of the founding there would be no regulations on any manufacturing and the internet would be a lawless free-for-all.

too bad the FF didn't think to include anything about cruel punishments

Shirley, life-threatening conditions count as cruel as most sentences do not call for death of the inmate.

ianal, tho

 

[Peter]

I never made choices to get myself incarcerated

This new idea of "oh, its hot outside" blows my mind

I'd work 10 hours a day in a hayfield and it 110 heat index - and guess what? every man and woman who ever worked hard in the fields, mines, rock quarries, steel mills etc etc over the last few hundreds years did the same

no, I'm sure the heat isn't comfortable, but I'm also very very leery of any report that says "being cooked alive" when that means a temperature way way hotter than 100

The point that you completely ignore is that while in prison the state has the job of giving them a basic level of living.
Making them stay in conditions where some of them are actually dying from heat stroke is not living up to that.

They're stuck in cells and have no escape from conditions we don't even allow cattle to suffer.

This lack of basic compassion is really telling.

 

[zincwarrior]

Where is it written that prisoners have a right to air conditioning?
Were there any A/C units visible in the movies "Cool Hand Luke" or "Shawshank Redemption" or "Escape from Alcatraz" or "White Heat"?

This is an argument, that there is no inherent right to AC. However, facilities do have a duty to maintain life.
Its interesting that the state however, has mandated county jails have HVAC.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Where is it written that prisoners have a right to air conditioning?
Were there any A/C units visible in the movies "Cool Hand Luke" or "Shawshank Redemption" or "Escape from Alcatraz" or "White Heat"?

The same place where is written that American have rights to non-musket firearms, prolly

Did you look there yet?