Texas inmates being "cooked alive" without AC

[rhinefire]

You know that slavery and involuntary indentured servitude is still legal and Constitutional as punishment for a crime, right?

So let's just hold a nice little slave auction for these convicts that are still in good enough shape that people will pay for them. With the money you earn from that, you can pay to build much smaller prisons with AC for the old and infirm.

Deal?

What about "innocent until proven guilty" while arrestees wait in jails for years waiting on a trial?

There it is.
They are human beings, are they not?
I bet Hitler and his henchmen said "if they weren't Jews, they wouldn't need to go into the ovens"

You are saying because criminals are humans they should be treated equally to noncriminals?

 

[nvflash]

What about "innocent until proven guilty" while arrestees wait in jails for years waiting on a trial?

That's county jail, I was speaking of convicts in the state prison systems.

 

[nvflash]

Yes, a number of inmates have died.

Link?

 

[Lisa]

You are saying because criminals are humans they should be treated equally to noncriminals?

Yes they must be treated with rights, respect and human dignity. The Bill of Rights demands it. The 8th Amendment prevents cruel and unusual punishment.

Abusing people who are incarcerated only prevents any effective form of rehabilitation when they are returned to society.

Link?

Inmates are dying in stifling Texas prisons, but the state seldom acknowledges heat as a cause of death

Since a heat wave gripped Texas, at least nine inmates, including two men in their 30s, have died of heart attacks or unknown causes in prisons lacking air conditioning. It’s been 11 years since the state last classified a death as heat-related.

www.texastribune.org

 

[rhinefire]

Yes they must be treated with rights, respect and human dignity. The Bill of Rights demands it. The 8th Amendment prevents cruel and unusual punishment.

Abusing people who are incarcerated only prevents any effective form of rehabilitation when they are returned to society.

Inmates are dying in stifling Texas prisons, but the state seldom acknowledges heat as a cause of death

Since a heat wave gripped Texas, at least nine inmates, including two men in their 30s, have died of heart attacks or unknown causes in prisons lacking air conditioning. It’s been 11 years since the state last classified a death as heat-related.

www.texastribune.org

Rehabilitation works for only a few. Return to prison is more likely for many reasons.

 

[Lisa]

Rehabilitation works for only a few. Return to prison is more likely for many reasons.

Because it is not taken seriously by the prisons. Sweden has a much lower recidivism rate because they put much more effort into rehabilitation by treating inmate with respect and having education and counseling. That rehabilitation is much cheaper than recidivism by helping people instead of focusing on punishment.

Prison 'not for punishment' in Sweden

Swedish prison numbers have been falling since 2004, which leads the director-general of the country’s prison and probation service to believe that their method is working

www.corrections1.com

 

[rhinefire]

Because it is not taken seriously by the prisons. Sweden has a much lower recidivism rate because they put much more effort into rehabilitation by treating inmate with respect and having education and counseling. That rehabilitation is much cheaper than recidivism by helping people instead of focusing on punishment.

Prison 'not for punishment' in Sweden

Swedish prison numbers have been falling since 2004, which leads the director-general of the country’s prison and probation service to believe that their method is working

www.corrections1.com

The typical drug user/dealer cannot find work before prison and after prison so back to jails they go.

 

[Lisa]

The typical drug user/dealer cannot find work before prison and after prison so back to jails they go.

Then make sure they have job skills and counseling, so they arent attracted back to dealing drugs. The war on drugs has been a 50+ year failure. We need to productively solve societal problems instead of debasing ourselves by acting on the most animalistic instincts of revenge that causes more harm and costs more in the long term. Many criminals were abused as children and that abuse has never been dealt with via counseling and other assistance. Abusing children and childhood poverty causes long term problems.

My way saves money on taxes by fewer people in prisons and fewer crimes to solve.

 

[Peter]

Rehabilitation works for only a few. Return to prison is more likely for many reasons.

Maybe because they've been treated like animals and people like you applaud that treatment.
You'd hate what they do in Scandinavia where they have extremely low recidivism and treat criminals with respect.

 

[rhinefire]

Maybe because they've been treated like animals and people like you applaud that treatment.
You'd hate what they do in Scandinavia where they have extremely low recidivism and treat criminals with respect.

Depending on the crime I whole heartedly believe in treating them like animals while you would release Geoffery Dahmer, Richard Ramirez The Night Stalker and Dennis Miller the BTK Killer.

 

[rhinefire]

Then make sure they have job skills and counseling, so they arent attracted back to dealing drugs. The war on drugs has been a 50+ year failure. We need to productively solve societal problems instead of debasing ourselves by acting on the most animalistic instincts of revenge that causes more harm and costs more in the long term. Many criminals were abused as children and that abuse has never been dealt with via counseling and other assistance. Abusing children and childhood poverty causes long term problems.

My way saves money on taxes by fewer people in prisons and fewer crimes to solve.

A felon with job skills is going to make minimum wage if he or she even gets a job and when they taste a paycheck that won't cover a pack of smokes what do think they will do?

 

[Lisa]

A felon with job skills is going to make minimum wage if he or she even gets a job and when they taste a paycheck that won't cover a pack of smokes what do think they will do?

A working wage of $20.00 an hour x 40 hours won't cover an occasional pack of cigarettes? Maybe we should stop penalizing people for being a rehabilitated felon, or is that too obvious?

 

[Peter]

Depending on the crime I whole heartedly believe in treating them like animals while you would release Geoffery Dahmer, Richard Ramirez The Night Stalker and Dennis Miller the BTK Killer.

You realise there's a vast gulf between wanting to treat prisoners with respect and letting them out?
You seem hellbent on treating people in prison as badly as possible and then being absoluetely shocked when they don't come out as saints.

People like you is why the US prison system is the broken mess it is.

 

[rhinefire]

You realise there's a vast gulf between wanting to treat prisoners with respect and letting them out?
You seem hellbent on treating people in prison as badly as possible and then being absoluetely shocked when they don't come out as saints.

People like you is why the US prison system is the broken mess it is.

I am responsible for the mess??!! I think it is people like you.

 

[Peter]

I am responsible for the mess??!! I think it is people like you.

Yes, people like you who vote to treat people in prison more and more harshly.

 

[rhinefire]

A working wage of $20.00 an hour x 40 hours won't cover an occasional pack of cigarettes? Maybe we should stop penalizing people for being a rehabilitated felon, or is that too obvious?

I am only repeating what the prisoners have said since day one. Ever heard the phrase "The deck is stacked against us." Living in a dream world is a joke on those that dream of what should be instead of what it is.

 

[Peter]

I am only repeating what the prisoners have said since day one. Ever heard the phrase "The deck is stacked against us." Living in a dream world is a joke on those that dream of what should be instead of what it is.

So, what exactly is your plan for prisoners?
Personally I'd like them to be treated with a bit of respect and given the chance to train for a job when they get out and maybe even be able to have day release near the end of their sentence to embed themselves into a job somewhere so they can have enough money to have a basic standard of living when they get out.

I suppose that means I'm living in a fantasy world as we should treat like shit and then throw them out of prison with no way to get a job or pay bills.

 

[Lisa]

I am only repeating what the prisoners have said since day one. Ever heard the phrase "The deck is stacked against us." Living in a dream world is a joke on those that dream of what should be instead of what it is.

Then fix the problem. Why is this difficult? Paying them a living wage is 100x cheaper than going back to prison, after a trial and the investigation of the crime, plus victims services. Its cheaper to send prisoners to a public college with room and board than the cost of incarceration. Obviously the education is a benefit to both them and to society.

 

[Rumpel]

Absolutely disgusting. Prisoners have the right to humane treatment. Do better, Texas.

yes!

 

[zincwarrior]

Is it OK to leave a child or dog in a hot car to suffer, as long as they don't die?

At least three have died actually.

 

[zincwarrior]

Meanwhile my fellow Teamsters die from heatstroke, and you don't give a damn about them..

Are your fellow Teamsters imprisoned by hairy men with guns?

 

[stealthycat]

rule #1 of life - don't do bad stuff and go to prison

 

[Phys251]

rule #1 of life - don't do bad stuff and go to prison

Are you OK with prisoners literally being cooked alive?

 

[Felis Leo]

rule #1 of life - don't do bad stuff and go to prison

Out of curiosity, would you be okay with the January 6th rioters being kept in such conditions?

 

[Lovebug]

rule #1 of life - don't do bad stuff and go to prison

8thA,
compassion,
empathy?