I don't think there's a big payday. Lawyers tend to take these cases not because it can make them a lot of money, but because they belong to some political advocacy group.But there's a lot of people out there who aren't and there are far too many shyster lawyers who will take on discrimination cases, hoping for a big payday.
No, it's not at all difficult. Have everyone sign in upon entering. Assign people to a particular window, or give them a number for the clerk to call. Clerks issue licenses to whoever comes to their window, or to all numbers to which they've been assigned. Done.
Sherbert v. Verner seems to apply here. The RFRA states that its primary purpose is to restore the compelling interest standard the Court used in Sherbert. The case concerned a Seventh-Day Adventist who was fired because she would not work on Saturdays, and then denied unemployment benefits by the state. The Court made clear that government action which forces a person to abandon a religious belief to get work violates the First Amendment, unless the government can prove it serves a "compelling interest."
"[N]ot only is it apparent that appellant's declared ineligibility for benefits derives solely from the practice of her religion, but the pressure upon her to forego that practice is unmistakable. The ruling forces her to choose between following the precepts of her religion and forfeiting benefits, on the one hand, and abandoning one of the precepts of her religion in order to accept work, on the other hand. Governmental imposition of such a choice puts the same kind of burden upon the free exercise of religion as would a fine imposed against appellant for her Saturday worship."
Texas has an RFRA, as do quite a few other states, and I doubt those laws allow government employees to be forced to abandon the precepts of their religion as the price of keeping their jobs. But I would like to see states go much further yet. As Justice Scalia pointedly noted, the Court has no power to enforce its judgments. I hope that any state where a majority disapproves of same-sex marriage will refuse to comply with Obergefell's flagrantly lawless command. I'd like to see this equally lawless president try to order troops into a dozen states to force them to obey an unconstitutional dictate which deserves no one's respect, and which is a vile insult to democracy.
I've already said numerous times that anything that causes an undue burden would likely not pass muster.As I've said, this isn't what happens or is necessary in many county clerks offices. We were the only ones in the office besides the clerk the whole 20/30 minutes it took to get our license typed up. One person was there. What if that person had not approved of our marriage on religious grounds? Why should we have had to delay our plans (which would have cut into my leave period) just because someone had wanted to refuse to do their job?
Obviously it wouldn't work in areas that have only one clerk. Would you have a problem with it if you did believe the religious objection were valid?never mind the areas that only have one clerk
should we do this in other areas too?
doctors? waitress/waiters? schools? employments?
no thanks ill just stick with equal rights and everybody playing by the same rules instead of trying to invent special rules and rights for some.
a LEGAL marriage has nothing to do with my Christianity
and I know this doesnt apply to you but its just a question to expose thier dishonest hate and bigotry
where was all this crying for interracial couples or couples getting a nonreligious wedding or a wedding under a different religion . . .
its all made up anyway and theres no religious basis for it let alone a legal one. Its very easy to see through thier bigotry and it has nothing to do with religion.
Which would be fine but now Bob can sue for religious discrimination because you replaced him. We live in a hyper-litigious society after all.
Obviously it wouldn't work in areas that have only one clerk. Would you have a problem with it if you did believe the religious objection were valid?
It's not special treatment, we all have the same right.yes it would still not be a legit reason to infringe on the rights of others, break the law and illegally discriminate . . feelings about validity don't matter
my rights and freedoms as a christian are 100% intact . . . nothing about equal rights for gays or anti-discrimination laws impacts them in anyway . . .I have the same rights as everybody else and gotta play by the same rules i dont get special treatment because of my faith
It's not special treatment, we all have the same right.
my rights and freedoms as a christian are 100% intact . . . nothing about equal rights for gays or anti-discrimination laws impacts them in anyway
I respect the right of people to follow their religion. I also expect people who work for the government which has nothing to do with faith or religion and is against discrimination and follows the laws to preform their jobs. Their faith has nothing to do with the job. If they can not do their job because of their faith they need to find another job. People has already quit their clerk jobs because of this. This is the option. You have the right to your faith freedom freedom freedom but belief does not give you the right to do your government job.My thought is that your comments suggest is is you who is expressing a hateful and judgmental view. Disrespect by any American for the right to free exercise of religion is just as regrettable as disrespect for other fundamental First Amendment rights like the freedom of speech.
Bob can sue no matter what, but since when will government care about Bob's religion or take into account his religion when upholding what is now the law of the land? Bob as an individual is irrelevant.
This is the way it is now. People come in and go to the next open window. This is as it should be. But you are forgetting that some people may not want to serve the people in front of them. If they don't they should be replaced by people who will serve everyone.No, it's not at all difficult. Have everyone sign in upon entering. Assign people to a particular window, or give them a number for the clerk to call. Clerks issue licenses to whoever comes to their window, or to all numbers to which they've been assigned. Done.
1.)here's the problem. when it becomes clear that they WILL negatively impact your religious rights I'm sure your opinion will stay exactly the same as it is.
2.) When all the private schools are forced to shut down because they lose tax exemption for not embracing gay marriage, then we'll see what BS you come up with to rationalize it and say it had NOTHING to do with this supreme court ruling.
3.) Or when christian churches get sued out of existence for not performing gay marriage.
4.)Oh I'll bet you will be on FIRE then, huh? admit you were totally wrong, right?......................yeah, I seriously doubt it.
1.) by design it cant so im not worried. I have nor right or freedoms based on religion to infring on the rights of other, i NEVER have so my rights are safe
2.) LMAO please keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum please. Dishonest wordings and fantasies dont work.
3.) another irrational fear tactic that nobody honest takes seriously, the churches are protected and discriminate EVERYDAY already and have been and will continue to do so. People have already tried to sue them and lost since the constitutions exists. "Churches" do not have to preform legal marriages.
did you have this fear before gays got equal rights? if not why since they have been sending couples packing for centuries . . just last year a story made the news casue it was unique where a black couple was denied marriage by the church they attend because it was mainly white. even though it was thier church the church wouldnt do it . . what happened? nothing because churches can do that and have that right LMAO sorry illogical conspiracy theories dont worry me My ACTUAL rights are completely safe and fully in tact.
4.) keep beating that drum of dishonesty because its only going to get mocked. . . if any REAL rights were infringed on I would be the first in line to stand and fight but since that hasnt happened im right here happy for my fellow americans who never have equal rights like we all should.
your problem is made up so no worries
again the FACT is my rights and freedoms as a christian are 100% intact . . . nothing about equal rights for gays or anti-discrimination laws impacts them in anyway, disagree factually prove other wise
facts win again
TIME Magazine two days ago:
Gay Marriage Decision Is Right Time to End Religious Tax Exemptions
Or maybe this is just a fantasy I made up in my head, huh?
They are going after religion and it's institutions and aren't even hiding it. Now I don't care if that makes you happy or sad, but you are denying that it exists, which makes no sense. You will have to put your head deeper into the ground every day to keep saying it isn't happening and will not continue to happen. sheesh
TIME Magazine two days ago:
Gay Marriage Decision Is Right Time to End Religious Tax Exemptions
Or maybe this is just a fantasy I made up in my head, huh?
They are going after religion and it's institutions and aren't even hiding it. Now I don't care if that makes you happy or sad, but you are denying that it exists, which makes no sense. You will have to put your head deeper into the ground every day to keep saying it isn't happening and will not continue to happen. sheesh
My thought is that your comments suggest is is you who is expressing a hateful and judgmental view. Disrespect by any American for the right to free exercise of religion is just as regrettable as disrespect for other fundamental First Amendment rights like the freedom of speech.
TIME Magazine two days ago:
Gay Marriage Decision Is Right Time to End Religious Tax Exemptions
Or maybe this is just a fantasy I made up in my head, huh?
They are going after religion and it's institutions and aren't even hiding it. Now I don't care if that makes you happy or sad, but you are denying that it exists, which makes no sense. You will have to put your head deeper into the ground every day to keep saying it isn't happening and will not continue to happen. sheesh
[h=1]Paxton: State workers can deny licenses to same-sex couples[/h]
Here we go the first actual decent from the Joy. I think this is doomed before it starts. There is no end to hate and judgement IMO. Thoughts.
But you're conflating a clerk performing an entirely ministerial task with the "free exercise of religion." It's a false premise from the start.
If we adopted your view of the world, then each of us is the law unto ourselves and can pick and choose our religious beliefs, and whenever we can reasonably claim that our individually held religious beliefs are on conflict with the law, simply ignore the law, with no consequences. You're a lawyer so you know this isn't true.
And what you're also glossing over is the fact that the 1st Amendment prohibits the government from imposing a religious test, and disadvantaging those who "fail" someone's arbitrary test.
1.)TIME Magazine two days ago:
Gay Marriage Decision Is Right Time to End Religious Tax Exemptions
2.)Or maybe this is just a fantasy I made up in my head, huh?
3.) They are going after religion and it's institutions and aren't even hiding it. Now I don't care if that makes you happy or sad, but you are denying that it exists, which makes no sense.
4.) You will have to put your head deeper into the ground every day to keep saying it isn't happening and will not continue to happen. sheesh
yes it would still not be a legit reason to infringe on the rights of others, break the law and illegally discriminate . . feelings about validity don't matter
my rights and freedoms as a christian are 100% intact . . . nothing about equal rights for gays or anti-discrimination laws impacts them in anyway . . .I have the same rights as everybody else and gotta play by the same rules i dont get special treatment because of my faith
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