Tea Party Fact-Checking

[j-mac]

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No, You :stop:

Hold it. You're quoting from the same sources... If you acknowledge that Polifact does a good job keeping tabs on Obama's statements and promises, (as I would) then we're talking about the same source...

From what I read in this thread no one from the right said anything about PolitiFact, or FactCheck being credible, or doing a good job. This is your own made up fantasy.

As far as "same standard" -- you can't even compare the two, as far as scrutiny and expectations...

You're right about that. The two are not comparable, one has the power, and one does not. What is comparable is the fact that Obama is criticized from the right, and defended from the left, and Palin is criticized from the left, and defended from the right. Question on that is who in this picture actually should be scrutinized closer? Palin? A "failed Gov." as you put it? Or the current President of the United States, a man with the power to enact devastating proposals that could be designed to overwhelm, and take down this country?

We all know that PolitiFact, and FactCheck are in the tank for Obama, couching any criticism with a soft edge so as not to outright call him a liar. (something he does on a daily basis) But, they in turn go after repubs with a veracity that can only be compared to that of hyaenas attacking.

Obama is the President of the United States --

Congradulations, you are 'Johnny on the spot' with that one sport!

Agree with his policies or not, he's a person of superior intellect...

Really? What's his IQ?

I remember hearing an Imus show right after the election where Imus was talking to the leftist historian Michael Bechloss, who kept spewing how Obama has this supposed superior IQ, and Imus asked the same question I just did, and Bechloser couldn't answer....Can you? I think probably not.

education...

Ah yes, his education.....You mean the one where he will not release any facts or transcripts concerning that education? BTW, who paid for that education Hazlnut? Because after being bounced on the knee of Frank Marshall Davis as a boy, (or whatever that was Davis was bouncing him on) I think we should know the connections of this man.

and accomplishments....

What Accomplishments? The biggest thing during the campaign that I saw any liberal bring up concerning this was that he wasn't Bush.....:shock: Give me a break, accomplishments....HA! That's a good one!

The standard, the expectations we have are enormous.

Don't you mean the subterfuge, and cover for his lies is enormous? That would make more sense.

Hell, many conservatives gave dopey Palin a pass when she wrote on her hand. "It's okay because she's just like us... A busy mom."

How's that Hopey/Changy thing workin' out for ya? Somehow I think that Palin would run circles around you, so consider the source.


j-mac

 

[Boo Radley]

Oh ok my bad. :roll:



I forgot, to you any declaration by you is automatically a fact.....


:lol:

:rofl

The fact here is I have never claimed Obama hasn't lied or exaggerated. Never. And have even posted fact checks on him myself.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

:rofl

The fact here is I have never claimed Obama hasn't lied or exaggerated. Never. And have even posted fact checks on him myself.

I don't know what your even babbling about, your incoherency is beginning to bore me, sorta like it did that last place. :shrug:



Quote and link to negative posts you have made on Obama please.

 

[j-mac]

:rofl

The fact here is I have never claimed Obama hasn't lied or exaggerated. Never. And have even posted fact checks on him myself.

What are the lies you hold him accountable on?


j-mac

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

What are the lies you hold him accountable on?


j-mac

Good luck with that. :roll:

 

[j-mac]

Good luck with that. :roll:

I know....Call me a glutton for punishment I guess...:mrgreen: I noticed Boo ran out quickly when you started questioning him.....:lol:


j-mac

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I know....Call me a glutton for punishment I guess...:mrgreen: I noticed Boo ran out quickly when you started questioning him.....:lol:


j-mac

I just get a kick out of his logic that the surge failed because it took three months to see any progress, and the iraqi's "Awakening" was a success and the surge was not needed even though it took longer than 3 months and had American money paying for it.

 

[Boo Radley]

What are the lies you hold him accountable on?


j-mac

As I have said before, all lies are not equal. I noted the lies he made concerning the economy. I posted a fact check on one of the threads on here. Now, if he invades a country and spends thousands of lives on a lie, I'll treat him just like Bush. But don't pretend unequal things are equal.

 

[Boo Radley]

I know....Call me a glutton for punishment I guess...:mrgreen: I noticed Boo ran out quickly when you started questioning him.....:lol:


j-mac

Sorry to tell you I'm not online 24/7. Having to go isn't running out.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

As I have said before, all lies are not equal. I noted the lies he made concerning the economy. I posted a fact check on one of the threads on here. Now, if he invades a country and spends thousands of lives on a lie, I'll treat him just like Bush. But don't pretend unequal things are equal.

No, in your world some animals are more equal than others. :shrug:

 

[Boo Radley]

No, in your world some animals are more equal than others. :shrug:

No, all lies are not equal. Period. Some really are worse than others.

 

[j-mac]

I just get a kick out of his logic that the surge failed because it took three months to see any progress, and the iraqi's "Awakening" was a success and the surge was not needed even though it took longer than 3 months and had American money paying for it.

It is cliche is it not?


j-mac

 

[j-mac]

No, all lies are not equal. Period. Some really are worse than others.

Nonsense. lies on this scale are all damaging. To say that it is ok for someone to lie because you accept, and support the agenda of the liar is nothing more than a reflection of your values.


j-mac

 

[Boo Radley]

Nonsense. lies on this scale are all damaging. To say that it is ok for someone to lie because you accept, and support the agenda of the liar is nothing more than a reflection of your values.


j-mac

Not equally so, no they are not. And I never said it was OK to lie. Again, you misrepresent. I merely say they are not equal. Unfortunately, we accept a certain amount of lying from our leaders. They all lie. Daily. And while we probably shouldn't accept it, that is still not the same as saying that all lies are equal. They are not. Some have much more devastating effects than others. I frankly can't see any lie being more devastating then sending us to war, spending all that money and lives for next to nothing. I clearly see that as a worse lie than all others.

It's not the only lie Bush told. And I don't speak about all his lies. Why? Because they are not all equal.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Nonsense. lies on this scale are all damaging. To say that it is ok for someone to lie because you accept, and support the agenda of the liar is nothing more than a reflection of your values.


j-mac

THIS!



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[Boo Radley]

It is cliche is it not?


j-mac

More importantly, it's not really my argument.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Not equally so, no they are not. And I never said it was OK to lie. Again, you misrepresent. I merely say they are not equal. Unfortunately, we accept a certain amount of lying from our leaders. They all lie. Daily. And while we probably shouldn't accept it, that is still not the same as saying that all lies are equal. They are not. Some have much more devastating effects than others. I frankly can't see any lie being more devastating then sending us to war, spending all that money and lives for next to nothing. I clearly see that as a worse lie than all others.

It's not the only lie Bush told. And I don't speak about all his lies. Why? Because they are not all equal.

so in how many threads NOT about Bush are you going to bloviat on and on about Bush while giving your boy a pass?



GITMO closed yet? :ssst:

 

[Boo Radley]

so in how many threads NOT about Bush are you going to bloviat on and on about Bush while giving your boy a pass?



GITMO closed yet? :ssst:

Only those that relate to Bush. He did start the war.

And yes, the order has been signed to close Gitmo. The fact that it is difficult is not equal to not trying to do it. Again, when making comparisons, try to compare things that are actually equal.

 

[Redress]

it's an opinion, you don't like it, i cant help you, but whining about "dishonesty" is the only dishonest thing here. :shrug:

Rev, you got caught being wrong. This is not whining, this is simply debate. It's not my fault I was better at it this time than you. Your initial premise was wrong, was shown to be wrong, and no amount of trying to turn it into being about me is going to change that fact.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Only those that relate to Bush. He did start the war.

It looks foolish, when all you can talk about is your biased hackery view of a former president. Just sayin, :shrug:

And yes, the order has been signed to close Gitmo. The fact that it is difficult is not equal to not trying to do it. Again, when making comparisons, try to compare things that are actually equal.

Oh well, if he "ordered" it. Kudos to him, thats the same thing as "closing" it! WOOOT! :roll:



You know what I find really cool, the fact that it's illegal to waterboard terrorists, or hell even question them without a lawyer, But my SERE brethren still get the pleasure..... How awesome is that? Obama's brave new dawn. :lamo

 

[j-mac]

Not equally so, no they are not. And I never said it was OK to lie. Again, you misrepresent. I merely say they are not equal. Unfortunately, we accept a certain amount of lying from our leaders. They all lie. Daily. And while we probably shouldn't accept it, that is still not the same as saying that all lies are equal. They are not. Some have much more devastating effects than others. I frankly can't see any lie being more devastating then sending us to war, spending all that money and lives for next to nothing. I clearly see that as a worse lie than all others.

It's not the only lie Bush told. And I don't speak about all his lies. Why? Because they are not all equal.

However the question here is not about Bush. You really need to remain in the present, and stop deflecting to a prior Presidency to take the focus off of Obama. Obama is the President in office right now, and regardless of what you think Bush did, Obama and his team are continuing the plans that Bush laid out for success. Why is that? Biden, on the talk circuit last week trying laughably to take credit for success in Iraq. What a joke. And since you see war as ultimately worthless, what is your take on Obama upping the stakes in Afghanistan? I am almost sure you will respond that Obama has no choice.

No sir, Obama says one thing one day, while behind the scenes doing something different, then uses the frustrating language of the academic and tries to say that others misrepresent his actions, and words when they are clearly what they are. Lies. You just choose to accept them. Now own it.


j-mac

 

[ptif219]

Only those that relate to Bush. He did start the war.

And yes, the order has been signed to close Gitmo. The fact that it is difficult is not equal to not trying to do it. Again, when making comparisons, try to compare things that are actually equal.

The fact that the order was signed before looking at how to do it shows a lack of leadership.

 

[roughdraft274]

However the question here is not about Bush. You really need to remain in the present, and stop deflecting to a prior Presidency to take the focus off of Obama. Obama is the President in office right now, and regardless of what you think Bush did, Obama and his team are continuing the plans that Bush laid out for success. Why is that? Biden, on the talk circuit last week trying laughably to take credit for success in Iraq. What a joke. And since you see war as ultimately worthless, what is your take on Obama upping the stakes in Afghanistan? I am almost sure you will respond that Obama has no choice.

You do realize that it is possible to agree with one war and not the other, right? Just because someone is against sending our troops into 1 place doesn't mean they are against sending them into another...

Also, I'm getting tired of this whole, quit deflecting to Bush stuff. If a president did a lousy job on something, criticism doesn't stop when he leaves office. When a president takes office and the economy is already on the verge of collapse, he is handed a huge deficit and two wars, I think it's ok to remind people what he was handed.

Now, I'm not saying that there isn't plenty of unfair criticism of Bush, but if it's accurate then I think it's fair game for Democrats.

 

[Boo Radley]

However the question here is not about Bush. You really need to remain in the present, and stop deflecting to a prior Presidency to take the focus off of Obama. Obama is the President in office right now, and regardless of what you think Bush did, Obama and his team are continuing the plans that Bush laid out for success. Why is that? Biden, on the talk circuit last week trying laughably to take credit for success in Iraq. What a joke. And since you see war as ultimately worthless, what is your take on Obama upping the stakes in Afghanistan? I am almost sure you will respond that Obama has no choice.

No sir, Obama says one thing one day, while behind the scenes doing something different, then uses the frustrating language of the academic and tries to say that others misrepresent his actions, and words when they are clearly what they are. Lies. You just choose to accept them. Now own it.


j-mac

Again, not equal. Obama must deal with what is in place in the present. He can't unwind the clock and turn back time. Comparing unequal things and pretending they are equal is the point I'm trying to get you to see. You can't compare these things because they are not equal. You can criticize it, as I have done (bombing Pakistan is wrong), but you can't pretend they are the same.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

You do realize that it is possible to agree with one war and not the other, right? Just because someone is against sending our troops into 1 place doesn't mean they are against sending them into another...

Also, I'm getting tired of this whole, quit deflecting to Bush stuff. If a president did a lousy job on something, criticism doesn't stop when he leaves office. When a president takes office and the economy is already on the verge of collapse, he is handed a huge deficit and two wars, I think it's ok to remind people what he was handed.

Now, I'm not saying that there isn't plenty of unfair criticism of Bush, but if it's accurate then I think it's fair game for Democrats.

You are so right, Grant was so corrupt, I mean that drunk was a horrible president! :ssst: