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Morning MMC :2wave:
Yeah, the Syrian defense are very hardened and you won't be able to break them without a rather massive bombing campaign. I have no doubt that the US forces would untangle that knot, but not without a massive loss of life on the ground.
Or, to put it another way: Either Assad wasn't the one using chemical weapons on Syrian civilians and the war is a farce, or Assad did use chemical weapons on civilians and therefor would therefor have no reservations in parking his S300s on school playgrounds and daring the US to bomb them.
Also, the campaigns in Iraq are a good example of what to expect in a Syrian air campaign. To take out Iraqi air defenses the US air power had to target civilian infrastructure (phones, power) that were also being used by the military. To win an air campaign in Syria we will have to do the same. Destroy their infrastructure. The loss of life as a side effect to taking out the country's power grid alone will exceed that of the gas attacks.
Myself, I was going with what Security Interest Assad caused to happen with us.....wherein he affected the National Security of the US? Or any Physical interest of the US?
Morning MMC :2wave:
Yeah, the Syrian defense are very hardened and you won't be able to break them without a rather massive bombing campaign. I have no doubt that the US forces would untangle that knot, but not without a massive loss of life on the ground.
Or, to put it another way: Either Assad wasn't the one using chemical weapons on Syrian civilians and the war is a farce, or Assad did use chemical weapons on civilians and therefor would therefor have no reservations in parking his S300s on school playgrounds and daring the US to bomb them.
Also, the campaigns in Iraq are a good example of what to expect in a Syrian air campaign. To take out Iraqi air defenses the US air power had to target civilian infrastructure (phones, power) that were also being used by the military. To win an air campaign in Syria we will have to do the same. Destroy their infrastructure. The loss of life as a side effect to taking out the country's power grid alone will exceed that of the gas attacks.
Israel....
This is probably the US/UK escape clause. Of course Russia and China vote it down. Then both the US and UK leaders can go on camera and talk about how lucky Syria is and how they were about to get an ass whoopin...
Farce is the correct word. Just a little more info. USA is claiming evidence of communications eavesdropping by Israel indicting Assad. Russia is providing satellite photos of two rocket launches indicting the rebels. Do you think the UN will be able to figure this out?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36000.htm
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According to the source, Russia’s ambassador in the UN Security Council, Vitaly Churkin, presented conclusive evidence – based on documents and Russian satellite images – of two rockets carrying toxic chemicals, fired from Douma, controlled by the Syrian “rebels”, and landing on East Ghouta. Hundreds of “rebels”, as well as civilians – including those children on the cover of Western corporate media papers – were killed. The evidence, says the Russian source, is conclusive. – Pepe Escobar
August 27, 2013 "Information Clearing House - "williambowles " - Shattering news if indeed it’s true, that it was two missiles fired by rebels from a place called Douma in the suburbs of Damascus, which is indeed under rebel control, that did the damage. No wonder the Empire is in a panic to go to war if it gets out that it was actually the side its arming and supporting that caused such horrendous loss of life!
The mad, panic-driven desire to destroy being exhibited by the USUK maybe the reason for the drive toward war as it will (hopefully) obscure and relegate to history what actually took place. The threat of war on Syria is some terrible psychopathic sideshow and well within the remit of the barbarians, who it is clear will stop at nothing to achieve their objectives. Unless stopped.
If what Escobar reports (and another source, see below) is really true, then it means that the rebels actually did kill hundreds of people, including its own soldiers! Maybe even a thousand or more. No wonder the West doesn’t want it to be investigated! The UN inspection team has no remit to try and find out who is actually responsible, just whether some kind gas attack took place.
All that guff about, ‘it’s too late, Assad has gotten rid of the evidence’ or, ‘you should have let us in earlier’, is just a smokescreen. What the West HAS to do, is try and cover it up, like they did to the thousands of Iraqi troops who were bulldozed in their trenches, alive, buried in sand.
More Confirmation
Below is a short promo of an interview with an Syrian activist confirming the report made by Pepe Escobar above. It’s on the Boiling Frogs website but you need a paid subscription to view the entire video, which is a bit of a drag. And I’d like to see the satellite images and any accompanying information. Why aren’t the Russians making a bigger play of the information they allegedly have? IT could stop this war thing in its tracks!"
Yeah..him...Blair...those damn conservatives...Cameron's already talking about with or without the UN... He's a brave little Conservative having his Blair moment.
Yeah..him...Blair...those damn conservatives...
Right...Blair was Thatcher reincarnated...and Thatcher, like Blair was the head of the Torries...Thatchers inheritors...
To carry on the Blair moment analogy, Let's hope Obama isn't having a Bush one.
Right...Blair was Thatcher reincarnated...and Thatcher, like Blair was the head of the Torries...
:lamo
Its ok...you can say it. Tony Blair was Labour. And just like Obama, he may have been a thoughtless ideologue when he ran and was elected, but once he became PM, he became exposed to this little thing the rest of us call 'reality'. Blissfully...many can still wallow in the fairy tale about how the world should be full of peace and love and soft little bunnies and pooh should smell of cotton candy and rainbows.Bliar took NuLabour down roads Thatcher didn't dare to go... He privatised public sector areas she left well alone. His initial instruction to the then Washington DC ambassador was to "Get up America's arse and stay there." He's still a self-enriching opportunist scumbag.
Thatchers inheritors...
To carry on the Blair moment analogy, Let's hope Obama isn't having a Bush one.
Thatchers inheritors...
To carry on the Blair moment analogy, Let's hope Obama isn't having a Bush one.
At least Bush went to Congress
Obama isn't even doing that
Say what you want about the Iraq War (I personally despised that war), at least Bush asked for approval to use force. Only 9% of the country approves of this aggressive action against Syria. This could potentially get out of control and start WW3 REAL fast. Our interests in Syria are opposed to that of a unified China and Russia who are growing more powerful. They are starting to push back. We're arming *&^% Al Qaeda. Think about that.
Bush was called a "reckless cowboy" and he had our allies at his back, congressional approval and also UN approval. The UN in this instance is intervening because of Obama's actions and telling the US to stand down. They need time.
We have no business being in Syria. We had no business being in Libya. These are Obama's wars. We are seeing the fruits of Obama and Hillary's foreign policy failures. So now Obama is acting like a dictator, bypassing Congress and marching warships and planes to Syria. Under what authority does he have to do this? When was war declared? Did anyone get a vote on whether we should go to war with Syria or not?
I don't really care what game you are trying to play here. Whatever it is, it's not working.
Biden said that was an impeachable offense.
RepubLieCong insurgents still rewriting history, giving aid and comfort to the 100% white guy, Vladimir Putin.
Present Moment Awareness--Today is August 28, 2013 and Repups can only "just say NO".
Please provide a link. I've seen Biden state that if Bush bombed Iran without congressional approval he'd move for impeachment but I've never seen anything where US foreign policy should be dictated by the UN.
Cameron already folding... no vote on giving the go ahead for an attack for now.. another massive political failure by Cameron.
Cameron already folding... no vote on giving the go ahead for an attack for now.. another massive political failure by Cameron.
Once again...that's congressional authority not the UN.
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