Super Doomsday

[Conservative]

Lie--left-wing--liberal--yer material is getting old, Conservative .

So is the claim that Clinton had a surplus and no Treasury data proving that

 

[Linc]

Would be happy to have anyone here show me using Treasury Data that Clinton ever had a surplus for any fiscal year he was in office?

Still doing your Cheney/Rumsfeld imitation of rewriting history ?

 

[Linc]

So is the claim that Clinton had a surplus and no Treasury data proving that

I didn't know Clinton was part of the Super Doomsday thread.
Thank you for pointing that out.

Let us all know when you've joined this century, Conservative .

 

[Conservative]

Still doing your Cheney/Rumsfeld imitation of rewriting history ?

Rewriting is what you and others are doing. Show me the Treasury data that supports the Clinton surplus claim?

 

[Conservative]

I didn't know Clinton was part of the Super Doomsday thread.
Thank you for pointing that out.

Let us all know when you've joined this century, Conservative .

You are welcome, he is always going to be part of any thread that claims that he had a surplus. I didn't raise the issue of Bill Clinton here only that Hillary was part of the Administration that took the debt over 19 trillion dollars and when she says she wants to make the country whole again what did she do to contribute to making the country whole the past 7 years and rather than focus on typical bogus claims about Republicans let's focus on the fact that Hillary is going to do nothing to make it whole again

 

[Geoist]

I may watch the Trump vs. Hillary.
Comic gold.

Can't wait to see the establishment Repubs flock to Clinton's side.

 

[calamity]

Since Treasury data doesn't support your claim maybe this article will explain it better than I have been able to do

The Myth of the Clinton Surplus |

Fine. Use those metrics, if you wish. But all they do is show Bush I and II's numbers were even worse then my posted CBO numbers. Whatevs.


Apples to Apples, the Republicans sank the economy, while the Democrats have at least tread water.

 

[Quag]

Another interesting article about...what else, Donald Trump and the disaster that is about to befall the GOP.

The GOP's Super Doomsday




I have to admit. I've never before been this entertained by politics. This **** is a hoot.

The disaster may befal the entire USA and the world.

 

[Quag]

double

 

[Conservative]

Fine. Use those metrics, if you wish. But all they do is show Bush I and II's numbers were even worse then my posted CBO numbers. Whatevs.


Apples to Apples, the Republicans sank the economy, while the Democrats have at least tread water.

Bush's numbers were a disaster fueled by one trillion dollar cost of 9/11 which seems to be ignored. Even with the cost of 9/11 he spent too much but that doesn't make Obama's spending any better. Still the only metric that matters is Treasury data

So then there was no Clinton surplus, that is reality. Now the next liberal lie, Republicans tanked the economy. Prove it? the Financial crisis had a lot of players including a lot of Democrats yet you want to continue to blame Bush. That doesn't help your credibility. You at least are going to stop posting the surplus lie now let's work on the Republican tanking of the economy lie?

Next I am going to hear that Obama saved us from a second Great Depression which is nothing more than liberal talking points and lie. It was TARP that kept us out of that so called depression but the reality is TARP just kicked the can down the road.

 

[imagep]

The total outstanding treasury debt as of December 31st 2000 was $5,662,216 (thousand), a year earlier, Dec 31 1999, it was $5,776,091. ftp://ftp.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opds122000.pdf

Do the math. We reduced the federal debt during that year.

You are welcome to look at the treasuries figures whatever time period you chose: https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/mspd/mspd.htm

 

[Linc]

The three remaining non-trumps have more delegates together than trump.

See you at a brokered convention .

 

[imagep]

The three remaining non-trumps have more delegates together than trump.

See you at a brokered convention .

At least a brokered convention would be more exciting than if the nominee was already pretty much a done deal going into the convention.

I have a friend who thinks that they are going to pick Bush at the convention, but I'm not sure they can pick someone who dropped out of the race. Maybe, the rules are often made up on-the-fly.

 

[Linc]

At least a brokered convention would be more exciting than if the nominee was already pretty much a done deal going into the convention.

I have a friend who thinks that they are going to pick Bush at the convention, but I'm not sure they can pick someone who dropped out of the race. Maybe, the rules are often made up on-the-fly.

As the gop made up rules against Ron Paul in 2012.
Changing the number of states won from 5 to 8.

The Romney speech tomorrow should be full of Doomsday .

 

[calamity]

Bush's numbers were a disaster fueled by one trillion dollar cost of 9/11 which seems to be ignored. Even with the cost of 9/11 he spent too much but that doesn't make Obama's spending any better. Still the only metric that matters is Treasury data

So then there was no Clinton surplus, that is reality. Now the next liberal lie, Republicans tanked the economy. Prove it? the Financial crisis had a lot of players including a lot of Democrats yet you want to continue to blame Bush. That doesn't help your credibility. You at least are going to stop posting the surplus lie now let's work on the Republican tanking of the economy lie?

Next I am going to hear that Obama saved us from a second Great Depression which is nothing more than liberal talking points and lie. It was TARP that kept us out of that so called depression but the reality is TARP just kicked the can down the road.

See, it's this exact RW talking point spin garbage that pushes me into the Hillary camp even though I cannot stand Hillary or 90% of the Liberal agenda. But, people like you calling the piss that fell on our heads in 2008 rain is just too much to bear.

So, even though I firmly believe that people who pull guns on cops or otherwise resist arrest deserve to get a bullet in the head; or, that the LGBT agenda has gone completely off the rails with their insistence that we call men women if they say that's what they want to be called; or, that I consider most of our social programs to be nothing more than a means for enabling those who chronically make bad decisions, or that I believe affirmative action policies to be just as racist as anything promoted by the KKK, I'm still not voting for the retarded party that won't even admit that they screwed up by starting a war in the wrong country and sitting on their thumbs while mortgage fraud destroyed our economy and nearly spun the country into a depression.

In short, no one who is not already fully aligned with the GOP is voting for your team because your team absolutely sucks.

 

[calamity]

The disaster may befal the entire USA and the world.

I doubt he wins...and, if he does, I doubt that Trump is anywhere near the rebel he pretends to be. He's a big government liberal. In that, I believe Cruz has it right when he calls Trump exactly that.

 

[Conservative]

The total outstanding treasury debt as of December 31st 2000 was $5,662,216 (thousand), a year earlier, Dec 31 1999, it was $5,776,091. ftp://ftp.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opds122000.pdf

Do the math. We reduced the federal debt during that year.

You are welcome to look at the treasuries figures whatever time period you chose: https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/mspd/mspd.htm

Close but no cigar. You do realize that the fiscal year of the United States runs from September to October, Debt at the end of fiscal year 1999 was 5.661 and at the end of the year it was 5.727 so at no time did the Clinton Administration have a surplus

I gave you the link which of course you want to pick and choose the dates that suit your agenda. Fact we pay debt service on the debt at the end of the fiscal year, not at a period of time you want to pick

 

[Conservative]

See, it's this exact RW talking point spin garbage that pushes me into the Hillary camp even though I cannot stand Hillary or 90% of the Liberal agenda. But, people like you calling the piss that fell on our heads in 2008 rain is just too much to bear.

So, even though I firmly believe that people who pull guns on cops or otherwise resist arrest deserve to get a bullet in the head; or, that the LGBT agenda has gone completely off the rails with their insistence that we call men women if they say that's what they want to be called; or, that I consider most of our social programs to be nothing more than a means for enabling those who chronically make bad decisions, or that I believe affirmative action policies to be just as racist as anything promoted by the KKK, I'm still not voting for the retarded party that won't even admit that they screwed up by starting a war in the wrong country and sitting on their thumbs while mortgage fraud destroyed our economy and nearly spun the country into a depression.

In short, no one who is not already fully aligned with the GOP is voting for your team because your team absolutely sucks.

I am sorry but if posting actual data and making you think causes you to vote for Hillary then you are indeed one of the low information voters this country seems to have created. Interesting how "my" team sucks and "yours" doesn't which goes to show just how low your expectations are as well as your standards.

 

[calamity]

I am sorry but if posting actual data and making you think causes you to vote for Hillary then you are indeed one of the low information voters this country seems to have created. Interesting how "my" team sucks and "yours" doesn't which goes to show just how low your expectations are as well as your standards.

Shakes head...

You wouldn't know real data if it bit you in the behind. You're too busy imagining things, like that Obama ruined the country that Bush built.

 

[Conservative]

Shakes head...

You wouldn't know real data if it bit you in the behind. You're too busy imagining things, like that Obama ruined the country that Bush built.

Really? So the bank account of the United States doesn't provide real data? You believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that refutes it including the OFFICIAL data that is provided by Treasury. We have gone over this many times and still you refuse to accept the facts presented. Can't help you overcome your illness until you accept the fact you have one. You provide CBO data without total context and ignore Treasury data in context. That speaks volumes

 

[calamity]

Really? So the bank account of the United States doesn't provide real data? You believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that refutes it including the OFFICIAL data that is provided by Treasury. We have gone over this many times and still you refuse to accept the facts presented. Can't help you overcome your illness until you accept the fact you have one. You provide CBO data without total context and ignore Treasury data in context. That speaks volumes

Quit the BS. Answer this simple question. Was the "bank account" better off when Clinton left office than it was when W left?

 

[Conservative]

Quit the BS. Answer this simple question. Was the "bank account" better off when Clinton left office than it was when W left?

Of course it was now you answer the question, is the bank account of the United States better off today under Obama than it was with Bush? Are you willing to admit that Clinton didn't have a Surplus?

 

[imagep]

Of course it was now you answer the question, is the bank account of the United States better off today under Obama than it was with Bush? Are you willing to admit that Clinton didn't have a Surplus?

Just because for a particular time span, the federal debt wasn't reduced, doesn't indicate that there was no surplus. The federal debt isn't exactly the same thing as a deficit or surplus. There can be money in various government accounts, including agencies and the treasuries account with the fed. Think about it, is it possible for your personal budget to have a surplus, and still go deeper into debt? Absolutely, I can have extra money in my bank account, and obtain a loan - both at the same time!

I'm sorry, I am just going to have to go with the consensus on this, you cherry picking data doesn't prove anything. quite honestly, you sound like a conspiracy theorist on this issue.

History of Deficits and Surpluses In The United States

US Budget Deficit History

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/FYFSD/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

CNN Fact Check: The last president to balance the budget – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

http://federal-budget.insidegov.com/

Hell, even the Cato institute ADMITS that the budget was balanced, they just claim that Clinton didn't personally balance it. http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-bill-clinton-didnt-balance-budget

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...buchanan/vern-buchanan-balanced-budgets-rare/

Even this right wing political hack site admits the budget was balanced: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/no-...alanced-federal-budget-40-years-no-republican

http://www.statista.com/statistics/...icit-of-the-us-governments-budget-since-2000/

http://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0023_federal-deficit-surplus

 

[fmw]

Another interesting article about...what else, Donald Trump and the disaster that is about to befall the GOP.

I think the GOP is about to flush itself down the toilet and it is because they are trying to defeat him against the wishes of the voters. Talk about establishement politics.

I have to admit. I've never before been this entertained by politics. This **** is a hoot.

No doubt about that.

 

[calamity]

I think the GOP is about to flush itself down the toilet and it is because they are trying to defeat him against the wishes of the voters. Talk about establishement politics.



No doubt about that.

I hadn't been to FreeRepublic or Drudge in years. But ever since New Years, they are pretty much the first sites I hit whenever I get on line.