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Something I dont understand [W:457]

I guess that would depend on her particular situation. I enjoyed my pregnancy. I didn't feel as if I was giving up any rights at all. I think it's humorous that you would try to tell me that I gave up rights during my pregnancy. :lol:

I understand that but feelings dont have an impact on the reality of it, you can think its humorous but its still factual.

You simply dont mind giving up your rights just as I dont for my daughter, doesnt change that fact that we both do and did. :shrug:

I would choose to die for my daughter to save her life and in my opinion I would "feel" like id be giving up my rights in my opinion and based on my feelings but the fact would remain I surrendered them and gave them up.
 
I understand that but feelings dont have an impact on the reality of it, you can think its humorous but its still factual.

You simply dont mind giving up your rights just as I dont for my daughter, doesnt change that fact that we both do and did. :shrug:

I would choose to die for my daughter to save her life and in my opinion I would "feel" like id be giving up my rights in my opinion and based on my feelings but the fact would remain I surrendered them and gave them up.

Right, but the problem with your statements is that you throw them out like a blanket; like ALL women are giving up rights when they are pregnant. :shrug:
 
Yes, that's exactly what I said. It all depends on her particular situation.

the only thing it demands on is if those rights are FORCIBLY taken from you or if you choose to give them up.

If abortion was illegal they would be forcibly taken from you, if you want to keep your child you surrender them.

My neighbors kids cant force me to cloth them or feed them because I didnt choose to have them and surrender my rights to them. My children can but I dont feel that way because I chose to surrender my rights to them.

feelings are the only things that change not the rights issue.
 
Right, but the problem with your statements is that you throw them out like a blanket; like ALL women are giving up rights when they are pregnant. :shrug:

thats because in fact they are unless they choose abortion.

now emotionally they feel they are not but thats all it is, emotionally
 
the only thing it demands on is if those rights are FORCIBLY taken from you or if you choose to give them up.

If abortion was illegal they would be forcibly taken from you, if you want to keep your child you surrender them.

My neighbors kids cant force me to cloth them or feed them because I didnt choose to have them and surrender my rights to them. My children can but I dont feel that way because I chose to surrender my rights to them.

feelings are the only things that change not the rights issue.

Right, so it is correct that the women is only giving up her rights if that is how she perceives it.
 
Right, so it is correct that the women is only giving up her rights if that is how she perceives it.

no, she is always giving up her rights, in on case she doesnt mind and in another she does

just like if your would assault me but I dont press charges, I was still assaulted which violates my rights but maybe i didnt press charges because I thought I deserve the ass whoopin for insulting your dress LOL
 
thats because in fact they are unless they choose abortion.

now emotionally they feel they are not but thats all it is, emotionally

That is just untrue. Some women look at pregnancy as a pleasure and have no problems at all. In fact, some women even volunteer to become pregnant for other women who cannot, some get paid, some do it for free.
 
no, she is always giving up her rights, in on case she doesnt mind and in another she does

just like if your would assault me but I dont press charges, I was still assaulted which violates my rights but maybe i didnt press charges because I thought I deserve the ass whoopin for insulting your dress LOL

Assault can mean "unwanted touching." Therefore, it is all subjective. If you want to be touched, your rights are not being violated at all.
 
That is just untrue. Some women look at pregnancy as a pleasure and have no problems at all. In fact, some women even volunteer to become pregnant for other women who cannot, some get paid, some do it for free.

I agree with what you say, they are still choosing to surrender thier rights :shrug:

not sure why you are having trouble understanding fact.

If I shoot you and you dont press charges, your are choosing to surrender your rights, they were still violated you just didnt seek to press charges.


how about this if a black man goes to an interview tomorrow and the boss tells him to get his black ass out of his office because he doesnt hire niggers. Do you think his rights were violated? Id "guess" you do. What if he doesnt press charges, he doesnt care he just moves on with his life. Does it change the fact his rights were violated?
 
Assault can mean "unwanted touching." Therefore, it is all subjective. If you want to be touched, your rights are not being violated at all.

that has nothing to do with what I said

I didnt WANT to be touched LOL
if I had the choice I would have choose for you to NOT whoop my ass, i just didnt press charges afterwards
 
I agree with what you say, they are still choosing to surrender thier rights :shrug:

not sure why you are having trouble understanding fact.

If I shoot you and you dont press charges, your are choosing to surrender your rights, they were still violated you just didnt seek to press charges.


how about this if a black man goes to an interview tomorrow and the boss tells him to get his black ass out of his office because he doesnt hire niggers. Do you think his rights were violated? Id "guess" you do. What if he doesnt press charges, he doesnt care he just moves on with his life. Does it change the fact his rights were violated?

What rights did I give up when I was pregnant? I still went to work every day and made money, had maternity leave. I was actually even more healthy because I made sure I ate a lot healthier.
 
What rights did I give up when I was pregnant? I still went to work every day and made money, had maternity leave. I was actually even more healthy because I made sure I ate a lot healthier.

did you just answer a question with a question? lol

answer my question then I answer yours
was the black mans rights violated?

until then Ill answer your question with a question of my own.
would it be a violation of your rights if I forced you to risk your life?
 
did you just answer a question with a question? lol

answer my question then I answer yours
was the black mans rights violated?

until then Ill answer your question with a question of my own.
would it be a violation of your rights if I forced you to risk your life?

I'm not going to answer your question which has nothing to do with a voluntary pregnancy. Also, no one forced me to risk me life. Nobody forced me to have sex and get pregnant.
 
I'm not going to answer your question which has nothing to do with a voluntary pregnancy. Also, no one forced me to risk me life. Nobody forced me to have sex and get pregnant.

actually it does because the conversation is about RIGHTS and SURRENDERING them.

I agree nobody did force you to keep your pregnancy or risk your life, you CHOSE to risk it and not abort SURRENDERING certain rights.

:shrug:

this fact cant be changed
 
actually it does because the conversation is about RIGHTS and SURRENDERING them.

I agree nobody did force you to keep your pregnancy or risk your life, you CHOSE to risk it and not abort SURRENDERING certain rights.

:shrug:

this fact cant be changed

Therefore, no rights were taken away from anyone. :)
 
Therefore, no rights were taken away from anyone. :)

I agree 100% they werent "taken" because you chose to give them up LOL
 
I don't care who you are or what your political beliefs are, life IS A MIRACLE and a gift. I find it very sad that anyone would disagree with that statement.

Uh, why?

A miracle is something inexplicable, rare, and beyond the laws of nature and chance.

Reproduction is none of those things.

People churn out more people like Pez dispensers. Even the dumbest person in the world can do it as long as their gonads work. There are individuals who have done it dozens of times.

We understand how it works. It's not inexplicable in any way. Tap A in Slot B, shake until ready, and if the timing's right, out pops another one a few months later. It's a bodily function that the overwhelming majority of humans are capable of performing, and most do at some point.

That's pretty much the opposite of a miracle. Why is it sad that someone would disagree with your demonstrably false and emotionalized statement?

Why can't she just do it to herself?

She can. Women have been for thousands of years. But that's not the issue. The issue is "What's the safest way to do it?"

A woman can safely do an abortion herself if she's reasonably educated. All you need to do is swallow the right pills in the right order before 9 weeks, and you can have a safe abortion. We prescribe that as a method of early abortion, it's done at home, and organizations working to provide access to abortion to women in countries where it's illegal send it out with some simple instructions. It's not complicated.

It's always good to be in range of medical help, on the rare chance something goes wrong. But that's true when you take an antibiotic too.

However, women, like all people, deserve to be able to readily access their right to bodily integrity in the safest and most standardized way possible with the fewest limitations.

So it's not that she can't. It's that she shouldn't have to.

Abortion is concidered a medical procedure and a medical licence is required to perfom it.

Nope. See above.

Some abortions are. Surgical abortions, of course. But that's not the only kind of abortion, and in some countries, it's not the most common.

Before safe medical abortion, there were a variety of cocktails one could take to abort, some reasonably safe, others not, but plenty of women successfully aborted all through history and before.

I value the sustenance of life of the mother the same as the fetus through the entire pregnancy.
Just to try to better understand your position do you think it is ok for a woman to use drugs or for that matter smoke or drink at certain times during the pregnancy.

No, you don't. You believe the woman's right to consent, bodily integrity, and health should be sacrificed for the ZEF. You obviously care about the woman less.

The issue isn't the people that are happy that they are pregnant- it's the people that don't want to be. Be thankful that you enjoyed your pregnancy, because many women might soon have to deal with having to endure it.

It'll never happen. No one can stop people from exercising control over their own bodies. Women abort just as much in countries where it's illegal as they do in countries where it's legal. The only question is how safe it will be. And with people getting more mobile and networks popping up to get abortion resources to women, it's getting safer all the time.

At the end of the day, women will not just roll over and die on this one. Even at the height of female oppression, women still aborted on a regular basis.
 
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Do you also find the miracle of life in a chicken who lays eggs that hatch into chicks??

Yes, a delicious miracle!

Which reminds me of a great Simpsons joke, where Lisa explains to Homer that ham, pork and bacon all come from the same animal and Homer says, "yeah right, Lisa, one MAGICAL animal!"
 
What rights did I give up when I was pregnant? I still went to work every day and made money, had maternity leave. I was actually even more healthy because I made sure I ate a lot healthier.

You were lucky you were healthy enough to work during your pregnancy and that your place of employment offered maternity leave.
Others are not so lucky.

I was so ill during my first pregnancy I could not even hold down a part time job.
I gave up my medical career to become a mother.
I had Hyperemesis gravidarum which is an extreme type of morning sickness.
My body was assaulted and my kidneys were damaged and my life was put at risk during my first pregnancy.

I was so anemic by the time I gave child birth my doctor feared I might bleed to death during delivery.
Maybe you feel you did not give any of your rights to become a mother but
some of us know we gave up some of rights to become mothers.

Pregnancy works to condemn women to second class citizenship, since in our society, mothers are second class citizens. Once a woman becomes a mother, her resources to education, employment, and health care become severely limited.

Abortion and Women's Rights: Unification of Pro-Life and Pro-Choice through Feminism | Serendip's Exchange
 
I think people get confused arguing that abortion should remain legal, and forget that no matter your stance on the legality of abortion, abortion is not a good thing. To abort a child is a horrible, immoral act, and this is true no matter if you are prochoice or not. It is a sick, depraved thing that people are talking about abortion so cavalierly, as a way to get out of the inconvenience or pregnancy and so on.
 
I think people get confused arguing that abortion should remain legal, and forget that no matter your stance on the legality of abortion, abortion is not a good thing. To abort a child is a horrible, immoral act, and this is true no matter if you are prochoice or not. It is a sick, depraved thing that people are talking about abortion so cavalierly, as a way to get out of the inconvenience or pregnancy and so on.

Sure, killing a child is an awful thing.

But I don't consider aborting a ZEF to be equal to killing a child. :|
 
I think people get confused arguing that abortion should remain legal, and forget that no matter your stance on the legality of abortion, abortion is not a good thing. To abort a child is a horrible, immoral act, and this is true no matter if you are prochoice or not. It is a sick, depraved thing that people are talking about abortion so cavalierly, as a way to get out of the inconvenience or pregnancy and so on.

no its not true, that is ONLY your opinion, thats where YOU get confused. LOL

Many people have an opinion its the right and moral thing to do in some cases and it has nothing to do with convenience, this is a fact you can not change no matter how irrational and unrealistic your logic is. :shrug:
 
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I think people get confused arguing that abortion should remain legal, and forget that no matter your stance on the legality of abortion, abortion is not a good thing. To abort a child is a horrible, immoral act, and this is true no matter if you are prochoice or not. It is a sick, depraved thing that people are talking about abortion so cavalierly, as a way to get out of the inconvenience or pregnancy and so on.

My first pregnancy was much more than just inconvient.

Sure, killing a child is an awful thing.

But I don't consider aborting a ZEF to be equal to killing a child. :|

I agree.

no its not true, that is ONLY your opinion that where YOU get confused. LOL

Many people have an opinion its the right and moral thing to do in some cases and it has nothing to do with convenience, this is a fact you can not change no matter how irrational and unrealistic your logic is. :shrug:

I totally agree.
 
Why on earth not?

There are many reasons why I personally don't; I think that awareness of self and consciousness are important in being a human being. Up until the very end of the last trimester, the cerebral cortex isn't fully developed. I also don't find "future life" to be equatable to "life"....

But that's just me.
 
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