Something I dont understand [W:457]

[Henrin]

Uh, Henrin...did Jay come crying to your for help? Did he beg you to stand in for him and be his spokes person?

Really? Did you forget that you are the unwelcome White Knight?

What I said is what she is doing and why it needs called out. I don't really care if you like that or not.

 

[minnie616]

By your logic, one conjoined twin has the same choice to terminate the life of the other...

Separation has been attempted on almost all conjoined twins born since the 1950s with varying results.

One out of every 200,000 live births worldwide results in conjoined twins, according to the University of Maryland Medical Center. About 35 percent survive only one day, while the overall survival rate is 5 percent to 25 percent.

Conjoined twins successfully separated in Chile (PICTURES) - HealthPop - CBS News

 

[Guy Incognito]

Separation has been attempted on almost all conjoined twins born since the 1950s with varying results.



Conjoined twins successfully separated in Chile (PICTURES) - HealthPop - CBS News

That link is not significant to this discussion.

 

[jamesrage]

Since you are bringing the dictionary into it - from the same dictionary:




Definition of ANTICHOICE



: antiabortion


So, why do so many antichoicers get so bent about being called antichoice?

Doesn't bother me.

 

[minnie616]

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Second, she is using it to her gains here by claiming its fine because they will simply be reborn and never die in the first place. That is complete garbage and we all know it.

It iscalled Faith NOT garbage.
It is OK to disagree with another person's faith, but I think attacking another person's faith and calling it garbage is a form of harrassment.

I also think that sometimes aborted or miscarried fetus's return in another body .

I had two miscarriges between my 2ed and my 3rd child.
If I had carried to term instead of losing the first one that I micarried he/she would have been born in March . The 2ed that I miscarried would have been born in November.
Fast forward a year and half from my first miscarrige I find out I am pregnant but I do not know when I concieved.
The doctor orders an utrasound to try to determine a due date.
Doctor says Jan 25 ...well that date passes ...all of Febuary passes. My youngest son was born
March 2ed.
2 and a years later my youngest daughter was born in November.
March and November the same months my little miscarried ones were due.

I believe God gave them back to me but in different and better bodies then they would have had I not miscarried them.
I believe God was watching over me and my little miscarried ones.

 

[Henrin]

It called Faith.
It is OK to disagree with another person's faith But I think attacking another persons and calling it garbage is a form of harrassment.

1. Faith is worthless and makes you weaker just by practicing it.
2. I can call whatever I want stupid and/or garbage and it's not harassment.

I had two miscarriges between my 2ed and my 3rd child.
If I had carried to term instead of losing the first one that I micarried he/she would have been born in March . The 2ed that I miscarried would have been born in November.
Fast forward a year and half from my first miscarrige I find out I am pregnant but I do not know when I concieved.
The doctor orders an utrasound to try to determine a due date.
Doctor says Jan 25 ...well that date passes ...all of Febuary passes. My youngest son was born
March 2ed.
2 and a years later my youngest daughter was born in November.
March and November the same months my little miscarried ones were due.

I believe God gave them back to me but in different and better bodies then they would have had I not miscarried them.
I believe God was watching over me and my little miscarried ones.

You can believe in whatever nonsense you want, but it does not change the facts

 

[RedAkston]

Moderator's Warning:

Cease with the personal attacks, baiting and flaming. Stop with the accusations of trolling, etc...

 

[minnie616]

You can believe in whatever nonsense you want, but it does not change the facts

And the facts are that both the doctor and I thought that my younger son would be born in January.
But he did not come till March even though the doctor tried to induce labor in Febuary. My son still waited for his March birthday.
The same month my first little miscarried one was due.

It was not until several months after my youngest daughter was born that I even connected the two of them were born the same months my two little
miscarried were due.

 

[Henrin]

And the facts are that both the doctor and I thought that my younger son would be born in January.
But he did not come till March even though the doctor tried to induce labor in Febuary. My son still waited for his March birthday.
The same month my first little miscarried one was due.

It was not until several months after my youngest daughter was born that I even connected the two of them were born the same months my two little
miscarried were due.

It's apparent to me you are seeing what you want to see.

 

[JayDubya]

Not my fault you can't comprehend it.

Actually in this case, yes, yes it is. I cannot comprehend the incomprehensible, and I have explained ad nauseum why your explanation makes no sense.

Not when it's infringing upon a woman's security of the person and she doesn't want it there.

Too late, sorry. There was a moment for choice regarding whether or not to create a new offspring, and if you already chose to create one and put it there, whether you want an offspring or not is immaterial, you have one.

Consent to sex is in no way shape or form agreeing to gestate and birth should one conceive.

Disagreed. Anyone old enough / mature enough to decide to / be physically able to engage in sex should know full well the possible consequences of hetero vaginal intercourse.

 

[AGENT J]

posts later and nothing has changed, examples that are meaningless to the debate and people still ignoring the fact equal rights can not be given to both the woman and the ZEF.

 

[AGENT J]

Actually in this case, yes, yes it is. I cannot comprehend the incomprehensible, and I have explained ad nauseum why your explanation makes no sense.



Too late, sorry. There was a moment for choice regarding whether or not to create a new offspring, and if you already chose to create one and put it there, whether you want an offspring or not is immaterial, you have one.



Disagreed. Anyone old enough / mature enough to decide to / be physically able to engage in sex should know full well the possible consequences of hetero vaginal intercourse.

nothing more than you opinion and its a wrong opinion at the. fact remains consent to sex is in no way shape or form agreeing to conceiving.

This fact will never changed based on your opinion.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Dishonestly is not welcome and her shear amount of dishonestly is disgusting. She thinks that somehow she can get killed and reborn without ever being KILLED in the first place. She says it out right that she wanted her mother to abort all her children and then claims she will simply not die because she will be REBORN. You can't be reborn without being dead first. That is what her entire belief system is built on. That when you die you are reborn. If you don't die than you can't possibly be reborn. It is a breach of her belief system to claim death doesn't have to happen first. It is breach of common sense and critical thinking and delusional to a point that can't be compared easily with other things. Religion has always been for the delusional, but her delusion is more complete than I have ever seen.

Second, she is using it to her gains here by claiming its fine because they will simply be reborn and never die in the first place. That is complete garbage and we all know it. She needs to be called out on this falsehood she is putting out all over the forum. The fact is if she keeps bringing it up there is no reason to not continue to point out the falsehood in her argument.



Go cry in your pillow about the mean people. No one is harassing her. She is the one that keeps trying to throw out this argument that is complete garbage and there is no harm in calling her out on it.

Wow, another one who's totally lying about what I have said or not said .......

 

[Scrabaholic]

Well, my point is, what is the moral distinction between the mother/fetus and conjoined twin scenarios?

Conjoined twins are BORN.

 

[AGENT J]

Wow, another one who's totally lying about what I have said or not said .......

honesty is not strong with a couple posters around here, they are typically the most entertaining though

 

[Scrabaholic]

Actually in this case, yes, yes it is. I cannot comprehend the incomprehensible, and I have explained ad nauseum why your explanation makes no sense.

Others seem to have no problem understanding it. Now, please stop with it.

Too late, sorry. There was a moment for choice regarding whether or not to create a new offspring, and if you already chose to create one and put it there, whether you want an offspring or not is immaterial, you have one.



Disagreed. Anyone old enough / mature enough to decide to / be physically able to engage in sex should know full well the possible consequences of hetero vaginal intercourse.

Having sex is in no way shape or form agreeing to gestate and birth should one conceive. And no, it is not too late given that abortion exists and is available.

 

[nota bene]

I'm sorry, but whatever your view is on abortion, the biological function of sex is reproduction. This is a fact. That sex is generally pleasurable encourages propagation of our species, but only the foolish would deny that having sex, if one is in one's reproductive years, can always lead to the natural consequence of pregnancy.

 

[AGENT J]

I'm sorry, but whatever your view is on abortion, the biological function of sex is reproduction. This is a fact. That sex is generally pleasurable encourages propagation of our species, but only the foolish would deny that having sex, if one is in one's reproductive years, can always lead to the natural consequence of pregnancy.

good thing nobody denied any of what you said :lol:, another totally meaningless drive by post that has no merit or or offers anything of rational to the actual sub-debate going on.

The sub debate is consenting to sex is not consent to have a child and this is 100% true and nobody has even come close to disproving this fact based on anything rational, honest, reality based or factual.

 

[OKgrannie]

How many kids whose lives were sparred from Abortion and were given up for adoption or handed over to a grandparent, or even put in a foster home - how many of them would rather be dead than alive?

The problems with the social engineering arguement for Abortion are many, but it basically comes down to this: Abortion is the killing of a human life. That human life is NOT given a choice. Every human life deserves to have a choice to live or die. That "choice" is not their father's choice, their mother's choice or their aunt Tilley's choice. It is their choice. And to deny any human life the choice to live is the GREATEST wrong that can be committed against humanity...

You are not giving a fetus a choice when you give birth. YOU have still made the choice YOURSELF.

 

[minnie616]

You are not giving a fetus a choice when you give birth. YOU have still made the choice YOURSELF.

I agree.
Well said, OKgrannie.

 

[JayDubya]

Others seem to have no problem understanding it. Now, please stop with it.

You stop saying it, or make it make sense, then I'll stop asking you to either make sense when you speak or stop lying. Deal?

Having sex is in no way shape or form agreeing to gestate and birth should one conceive.

I disagree. Every couple old enough / mature enough to decide to be having sex is accepting those risks.

And no, it is not too late given that abortion exists and is available.

Shouldn't be, and that can be remedied.

 

[AGENT J]

I disagree. Every couple old enough / mature enough to decide to be having sex is accepting those risks.

100% wrong and your opinion will never change this fact

 

[JayDubya]

You are not giving a fetus a choice when you give birth. YOU have still made the choice YOURSELF.

No, offspring do not ask to be created. If they do not value their life, when they are older, they can remedy what they feel to be an error.


Are we now talking about the insidious, insipid, indefensible nonsense where some of you pro-abortion people promote parents killing their offspring for their own good? Damn. I had hoped we were done with that rot.

 

[Furiounova]

No, offspring do not ask to be created. If they do not value their life, when they are older, they can remedy what they feel to be an error.


Are we now talking about the insidious, insipid, indefensible nonsense where some of you pro-abortion people promote parents killing their offspring for their own good? Damn. I had hoped we were done with that rot.

Nobody here is pro abortion but I expect false labels from the anti choice crowd as compensation due to an overwhelming inability to defend their position.

 

[Furiounova]

100% wrong and your opinion will never change this fact

He called an audible because you are absolutely right having sex is in no way an implicit agreement to give birth but having sex, even with BC, carries a risk of conception happening. However, that is completely irrelevant because he is trying to say the act of consentual sex is also a mandatory act of co consentual birth. It is the same tired sexual blackmail ploy.