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somebody please correctly define gay!

creativedreams said:
First I would like to make it clear I am not against gays and am not trying to bash them.
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Most people who start a thread like this go on to bash gay people.

creativedreams said:
If everyone on the planet became gay or lesbien the human race would become extinct in about a hundred years. Based on this alone it should be easy to define the state of being gay either...

a:form of retardation
b:type of mental illness
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Look up mental illness, then look up retardation, then get back to me when you've educated yourself.

creativedreams said:
For these reasons this subject should NOT be promoted in the courts by inventing gay marriage and also should NOT be celebrated and further promoted in schools.
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OMG we can't celebrate equal rights! We must celebrate the fact that the majority chose to discriminate against a minority group! Because equal rights are, like, so not cool, and discrimination totally rocks, right?:roll:

creativedreams said:
I do know gay people and have absolutely nothing against them I am just against the way todays politically correct society is letting it get out of hand with the courts etc.
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Do me a favour. Go tell your gay friends they are either retarded or mentally ill, and I will provide you the ice for your black eye and broken nose.
 
Just the fact that a life long sexual commitment uniting two people of the same sex which does not help proliferate the human race is evidence enough to determine that there are mental or physical defects. A clear form of a type of retardation. Yes I understand you may not have chosen to be that way.

a:The ones that are born this way have a form of retardation

b:The ones that choose this way have a form of mental illness

How more plain and simple could this be?
 
creativedreams said:
Just the fact that a life long sexual commitment uniting two people of the same sex which does not help proliferate the human race is evidence enough to determine that there are mental or physical defects. A clear form of a type of retardation. Yes I understand you may not have chosen to be that way.

a:The ones that are born this way have a form of retardation

b:The ones that choose this way have a form of mental illness

How more plain and simple could this be?
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Do you even know what 'retardation' means?
 
This reminds me of when somebody says

"I'm not a racist, but....." and then they proceed to say something very racist.

I may be wrong creative, but thus far its how it reads to me.
 
Kernel Sanders said:
I find that so offensive, I'm going to end this sentence with three exclamation points!!!
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creativedreams said:
Just the fact that a life long sexual commitment uniting two people of the same sex which does not help proliferate the human race is evidence enough to determine that there are mental or physical defects. A clear form of a type of retardation. Yes I understand you may not have chosen to be that way.

a:The ones that are born this way have a form of retardation

b:The ones that choose this way have a form of mental illness

How more plain and simple could this be?
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Perhaps I should have used the words "handicap" or "reproductively challenged" instead of my misuse of the word retardation.
 
JustineCredible said:
The problem with your assertation is that the American Association of Psychology and the American Medical Association BOTH have removed homosexuality from their lexicons of pathologies/medical defects.
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They were under immense pressure to do so. If one simply recognizes aberrative behavior as a wandering from what is normal behavior, it is self-evident that homosexuality is not normal, unless one prefers to use a dog as a standard rather than a sentient being.

There's NOTHING harmful to you or the homosexual in that person being homosexual.
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That's about as convincing as me telling you there is nothing harmful to you in not having gay marriage recognized. In other words, from your perspective, it may not seem damaging to another to have a tolerant gay agenda taught in schools and how it's normal and "okay" to be gay. However, if that is your child being taught in that school, it does affect your life. It could make the child more "gay curious" and turn them towards a lifestyle that would not have been chosen (and yes, choice does play a factor in many homosexual lifestyles, evidenced by the many who have since happily gone straight. This doesn't change the fact that many are more or less born gay.)

It does not affect you, effect you or threaten you in any way, shape or form.
It does not restrict the person from learning,
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Learning what? The tale of two male lovers that someone thinks should be read in elementary school? The opinions of "experts" who can't supply any proof that gay is not a choice in all circumstances? Learning what you want them to learn instead of the greater majority?

has no physical manifestations, does not lead to harmful behavior, does not have harmful side effects...EXCEPT when people like you refuse to LEARN anything truthful or realistic about homosexuality and then attempt to force-feed your ignorance onto others.
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You can't have it both ways. On one hand you acknowledge there is no proof to the exact origins of homosexuality, and then on the other you want a specific set of beliefs about the subject to be the only accepted notions on it. That's not tolerance and is ironically bigoted.

I found the other poster's remarks to very accurate about the lack of real bona-fide studies on the gay lifestyle - they are remarkably absent. Sure there are some ink-blot studies that say we're all the same, but they are easily rejected when you see what the criteria of the tests were.
The search for the gay gene has turned up nothing. If they would just do some mental studies on the area I'm sure that would reveal some remarkable consistencies and lead to new insights.
 
creativedreams said:
Perhaps I should have used the words "handicap" or "reproductively challenged" instead of my misuse of the word retardation.
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Maybe you should just say what you mean instead of abusing and inventing medical terms. If you think that there's something wrong with gay people, just say so.

MC.no.spin said:
They were under immense pressure to do so. If one simply recognizes aberrative behavior as a wandering from what is normal behavior, it is self-evident that homosexuality is not normal, unless one prefers to use a dog as a standard rather than a sentient being.
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The APA defines a disorder as a condition that causes harmful dysfunction. Abnormal behavior does not a disorder make. In the 70's they rightly decided that homosexuality does not meet this criteria, and cannot be correctly described as a mental disorder and removed it from the DSM.
 
creativedreams said:
Just the fact that a life long sexual commitment uniting two people of the same sex which does not help proliferate the human race is evidence enough to determine that there are mental or physical defects. A clear form of a type of retardation. Yes I understand you may not have chosen to be that way.

a:The ones that are born this way have a form of retardation

b:The ones that choose this way have a form of mental illness

How more plain and simple could this be?
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Dude, this is dumbest post I have even seen:(
 
Kernel Sanders said:
The APA defines a disorder as a condition that causes harmful dysfunction. Abnormal behavior does not a disorder make. In the 70's they rightly decided that homosexuality does not meet this criteria, and cannot be correctly described as a mental disorder and removed it from the DSM.
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That's correct - they do not describe it as a disorder, mainly stemming from a strong desire to be politically correct and not offend or "psychologically damage" homosexuals by forwarding a negative climate where it is treated as a stigma. I am under no such politically correct obligations, and simply look at the purpose of a penis, and realize that someone who has a compulsion to put it in another man's ass isn't thinking straight. This "not thinking straight" quality is not unique to just them. I have my trouble spots, as does most of the human race.

This is a clip from their website.

Is homosexuality a mental disorder?

No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

What about therapy intended to change sexual orientation from gay to straight?

All major national mental health organizations have officially expressed concerns about therapies promoted to modify sexual orientation. To date, there has been no scientifically adequate research to show that therapy aimed at changing sexual orientation (sometimes called reparative or conversion therapy) is safe or effective. Furthermore, it seems likely that the promotion of change therapies reinforces stereotypes and contributes to a negative climate for lesbian, gay, and bisexual persons. This appears to be especially likely for lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals who grow up in more conservative religious settings.

Helpful responses of a therapist treating an individual who is troubled about her or his samesex attractions include helping that person actively cope with social prejudices against homosexuality, successfully resolve issues associated with and resulting from internal conflicts, and actively lead a happy and satisfying life. Mental health professional organizations call on their members to respect a person’s (client’s) right to selfdetermination; be sensitive to the client’s race, culture, ethnicity, age, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, socioeconomic status, language, and disability status when working with that client; and eliminate biases based on these factors.
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Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality

Basically whatever makes money for the APA is how they label things. The thousands of other label make them billions, this subject however is a pandora's box. They also have little success doing anything with it, so have just decided to call it normal and that the people who see something abnormal with it are the ones with a mental affliction.
 
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MC.no.spin said:
That's correct - they do not describe it as a disorder, mainly stemming from a strong desire to be politically correct and not offend or "psychologically damage" homosexuals by forwarding a negative climate where it is treated as a stigma. I am under no such politically correct obligations, and simply look at the purpose of a penis, and realize that someone who has a compulsion to put it in another man's ass isn't thinking straight.

This is a clip from their website.



Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality

Basically whatever makes money for the APA is how they label things. The thousands of other label make them billions, this subject however is a pandora's box. They also have little success doing anything with it, so have just decided to call it normal and that the people who see something abnormal with it are the ones with a mental affliction.
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It seems that you missed my point. Even if one were to concede that homosexuality is abnormal that would not make it a mental disorder. There is a standard of harmful dysfunction that is clearly not met.

If abnormality implies a disorder than left-handedness would qualify
 
creativedreams said:
Just the fact that a life long sexual commitment uniting two people of the same sex which does not help proliferate the human race is evidence enough to determine that there are mental or physical defects. A clear form of a type of retardation. Yes I understand you may not have chosen to be that way.

a:The ones that are born this way have a form of retardation

b:The ones that choose this way have a form of mental illness

How more plain and simple could this be?
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Since you have offered no evidence for your assertion, it, as is your position is erroneous and irrelevant. And until you do, it will continue to be erroneous and irrelevant.
 
creativedreams said:
Perhaps I should have used the words "handicap" or "reproductively challenged" instead of my misuse of the word retardation.
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And your assertion and your position would still be erroneous and irrelevant. Keep trying though. It is somewhat amusing watching you come up with terms that are completely wrong.
 
MC.no.spin said:
They were under immense pressure to do so. If one simply recognizes aberrative behavior as a wandering from what is normal behavior, it is self-evident that homosexuality is not normal, unless one prefers to use a dog as a standard rather than a sentient being.
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That is not entirely true. The APA was under pressure to declassify homosexuality as a disorder because of the wealth of studies that showed that it wasn't, because of the review of prior studies equating homosexuality to a disorder that were shown to have bias, and serious validity issues, and because of the prejudice against homosexuality of the day. The fallacy that homosexuality was declassified solely because of political pressure is a fallacy that has been circling since the '70's. Inaccurate then, inaccurate now.



You can't have it both ways. On one hand you acknowledge there is no proof to the exact origins of homosexuality, and then on the other you want a specific set of beliefs about the subject to be the only accepted notions on it. That's not tolerance and is ironically bigoted.

I found the other poster's remarks to very accurate about the lack of real bona-fide studies on the gay lifestyle - they are remarkably absent. Sure there are some ink-blot studies that say we're all the same, but they are easily rejected when you see what the criteria of the tests were.
The search for the gay gene has turned up nothing. If they would just do some mental studies on the area I'm sure that would reveal some remarkable consistencies and lead to new insights.
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Firstly, there are plently of peer reviewed, valid studies that show that homosexuality is not a disorder; evidence shows that sexual orientation, itself, is not linked to mental illness. This is a well established fact. Secondly, you miss the bigger picture. There is no definitive evidence that there is any biological or genetic cause for sexual orientation, homo- or hetero- sexuality. Try to find a study that proves how one becomes hetero sexual.
 
MC.no.spin said:
That's correct - they do not describe it as a disorder, mainly stemming from a strong desire to be politically correct and not offend or "psychologically damage" homosexuals by forwarding a negative climate where it is treated as a stigma. I am under no such politically correct obligations, and simply look at the purpose of a penis, and realize that someone who has a compulsion to put it in another man's ass isn't thinking straight. This "not thinking straight" quality is not unique to just them. I have my trouble spots, as does most of the human race.

This is a clip from their website.



Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality

Basically whatever makes money for the APA is how they label things. The thousands of other label make them billions, this subject however is a pandora's box. They also have little success doing anything with it, so have just decided to call it normal and that the people who see something abnormal with it are the ones with a mental affliction.
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I think my previous post has thoroughly debunked the above. As I said to creativedreams, since you show no evidence for your position, it is neither accurate nor relevant.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I think my previous post has thoroughly debunked the above. As I said to creativedreams, since you show no evidence for your position, it is neither accurate nor relevant.
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I think people are frankly too sensitive to the idea they might not be playing with a full deck in all areas of their life. If a man likes to sleep with several women all at the same time, lying to each one that he is being faithful, I would say he has a mental disorder as well. If a woman frantically masterbates on the job, at home, in the car, anywhere and everywhere, I would say she has a mental disorder. Etc. It could be another case where a person has to wash their hands every 3 hours, and thinks they are always getting germs. Mental disorder.

It's not that bad of a stigma to have a mental disorder. We all have them, some of us aren't aware enough to know what they are.
 
It could be another case where a person has to wash their hands every 3 hours, and thinks they are always getting germs. Mental disorder.
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As far as I'm concerned, if one isn't washing one's hands at least every three hours, one probably has a mental disorder.
 
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