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This is another car for clunkers scheme, what can I say....Obamanomics.
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Knocking on the door is the fun part. The occasional answer is often merely icing on the cake of hilarity
Since your argument consists of inferring that the two different solar panel manufacturers that I quoted are lying, I think the burden of proof at this point is upon you.
Furthermore, since your argument also infers that cheap Chinese imports are not detrimental to domestic manufacturing in general, I think the credibility of your argument is beyond rehabilitation.
Lastly, a review of the materials I've already provided would reveal that Evergreen Solar itself operates a Chinese facility, and will continue to do so after shuttering it's Massachusetts facility, further obviating any need for additional documentation of the detrimental nature of cheap, effectively-foreign-gov't-subsidized offshore imports:
This is another car for clunkers scheme, what can I say....Obamanomics.
Thanks for posting the correct terminology.... I was really biting my tongue :thumbs:Μολὼν λαβέ;1059776237 said:Cash for clunkers, I had forgotten all about that. Thanks for reminding me. :thumbs:This is another car for clunkers scheme, what can I say....Obamanomics.
I guess that why all the Left wing ideas have so far, failed; because the Lefties have it all figured out?
It was a money laundering scheme...pure and simple.
Someone would probably go to the joint, if not for the DOJ spending so much of it's time exporting weapons to Mexican drug cartels.
That is one lame assed argument.
Which one of those companies received a half-billion dollars in government handouts and flopped within 12 months?
Aren't Libbos opposed to corporate welfare?
it's a bit troubling that the administration fast tracked this big ass loan without properly vetting the company or the risk... but when it comes to light that some of the capital loaned to this company came from a Democratic party fundraiser and billionaire George Kaiser ( whom the taxpayers with pay back though obama's loan guarantee program).. it makes more sense.... seems that it was a political move from the start. there is not enough information, as of yet, to say whether there is corruption involved or not.
an investigation is taking place ( by house republicans), but as is the case with most investigations of this sort, nothing will come of it..and taxpayers will be out 535 million bucks.
as a side note, there are 38 billion bucks , spread over 40 "green" companies left out there.... and they are not producing anything of note.
Cap and trade was successful and apparently that is now a radical left-wing agenda.
Reagan was a socialist.
SE102 summed it up well, and I am not sure you have any idea what money laundering is. You remind me of Charlie from Sunny in Philly talking about the mysterious "vig". Hey apdst, since you are an expert on the green energy market, what percentage of the market share has gone under? I know you have no idea so it is a rhetorical question (ie. you don't have to answer because I know you do not know the answer).
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Also by your logic, banks do not work either, since almost all of our major ones failed in 2008 and had to be bailed out. Here is a list of (a few of the) banks (lenders) that had to be bailed out or shut their doors in 2008:1
1) Allco Finance Group
2) Countrywide Financial
3) IndyMac Bank
4) Lehman Brothers
5) Madoff Investment Securities
6) Yamato Life Insurance Company
7) Wachovia
8) et al
Just to name a few. Or, from the same link, Airlines in 2008:
1) Aloha Airlines
2) Apex Aircraft
3) ATA Airlines
4) eos Airlines
5) Frontier Airlines
6) Silver State Helicopters
7) Silverjet
8) Skybus Airlines
9) et al
I guess banks and airlines are a lost cause (and airlines are subsidized!). Great call man!
When is the last time you've heard of a Frontier airline plane going down?
Most diehard Reagan fans have idealized fantasies of what Reagan did that bear no resembles to what Reagan actually did in office. Considering the last crop of Republican Presidents, it's no wonder Reagan holds such a position. Bush Sr, was good but boring. Nixon was a crook. Ford is hardly a candidate to worship. Eisenhower is a liberal in today's world. Who's left? Reagan.
Cap and trade was successful and apparently that is now a radical left-wing agenda.
Reagan was a socialist.
It would help if you had any idea what you are talking about.
Solyndra and the other manufacturers are facing a huge influx of Chinese competition. Competition that is not only receiving subsidized loans, but subsidized utilities and subsidized rent. It's no wonder that firms like Solyndra can't compete when its competitors are in no way playing fair. In many ways, the Chinese are basically dumping solar panels.
The great thing about your hypocrisy is that people like you are against the very kind of subsidies that are allowing foreign firms to drive American business into the ground.
Care to give us some examples?
It's still no excuse for pissing away a half billion dollars in my money to support this company.
How many of those are facing foreign competitors where their foreign governments give their cheap rent, cheap utilities and cheap loans? Furthermore, a business loan is not a handout.
That's now what the Libbos have been saying.
Actually it's what people who understand that profit =/= liquidity have been saying.
You can pretend you understand this. And we can pretend we're not mocking you.
Is a business loan a subsidy?So, you support oil company, "subsidies"?
Is a business loan a subsidy?
Is an inability to remain on topic congenital?Is a tax deduction a subsidy?Is a business loan a subsidy?So, you support oil company, "subsidies"?Actually it's what people who understand that profit =/= liquidity have been saying. You can pretend you understand this. And we can pretend we're not mocking you.That's now what the Libbos have been saying.How many of those are facing foreign competitors where their foreign governments give their cheap rent, cheap utilities and cheap loans? Furthermore, a business loan is not a handout.[...] Which one of those companies received a half-billion dollars in government handouts and flopped within 12 months? Aren't Libbos opposed to corporate welfare?
It would help if you had any idea what you are talking about.
Solyndra and the other manufacturers are facing a huge influx of Chinese competition. Competition that is not only receiving subsidized loans, but subsidized utilities and subsidized rent. It's no wonder that firms like Solyndra can't compete when its competitors are in no way playing fair. In many ways, the Chinese are basically dumping solar panels.
The great thing about your hypocrisy is that people like you are against the very kind of subsidies that are allowing foreign firms to drive American business into the ground.
Wait didnt the Bush admin pushed Solyndra loan guarantee for two years?
Oh yea they did.....
Bush admin pushed Solyndra loan guarantee for two years | Grist
So enough with this Obama blame game again...
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