atrasicarius
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Capitalism doesn't stand in the way of Socialism... Capitalism supports Socialism and keeps it alive.
if it weren't for Capitalism, Socialism would be long dead and buried.
Yup. And if it weren't for socialism, capitalism would have collapsed a long time ago. You need a mix of both.
I agree that a mix is necessary (Capitalism with government regulation). However, pure capitalism would not collapse, you would have immense poverty and immense wealth with most people living in poverty.
In other words, instant revolution, just add water.
Socialism has always failed and always will because it's a race to the bottom and there is no way for it to be anything but a loser.
Only the foolish could think it could ever work. Get real and look at history, it's always failed and always will.
The word socialism refers to a broad range of theoretical and historical socio-economic systems, and has also been used by many political movements throughout history to describe themselves and their goals, generating numerous types of socialism. Different self-described socialists have used the term socialism to refer to different things, such as an economic system, a type of society, a philosophical outlook, a collection of moral values and ideals, or even a certain kind of human character. Some definitions of socialism are very vague, while others are so specific that they only include a small minority of the things that have been described as "socialism" in the past. There have been numerous political movements which called themselves socialist under some definition of the term; this article attempts to list them all. Some of these interpretations are mutually exclusive, and all of them have generated debates over the true meaning of socialism.
Types of socialism
That's only because you see what you want and not what is.
Food, education and medicine is socialized?
Must have a different version of socialism than the standard definition.
sure it could have. for ants.
sure it could have. for ants.
Socialism will only work for creatures who are extraordinarily simplistic, or extraordinarily intelligent.
We fall somewhere in the middle, which is why Capitalism is generally our best fit.
I don't fall in the middle. I'm both.
Technically then, you fall in the middle (if you average it out).
Dude, haven't you heard that we will make a leap in consciousness in 2012?So, get ready for socialism. :mrgreen:
Food - the govt provides huge subsidies and price supports for the majority of the food grown in the US and businesses that sell food are subject to a vast array of govt regulation
Education - most education is done in public schools
medicine - Obamacare is socialized medicine
And libertarians use a different version of reality in order to believe in their demented excuse of an ideology
Norway's public sector is just as large as it's private sector. This isn't what makes it socialist, but it shows that it's not predominantly capitalist. Like I said, it doesn't have a totally planned economy but it is a social-democracy.
What exactly is the standard definition? When can a country be described as "socialist" and when can it be described as "capitalist"?
Yes but it is not, state owned, owned in commons nor is it controlled cooperative.
Attaching public in front of something does not make it socialist.
The vast majority of things done to build and supply the schools are done by private enterprise and that doesn't even address that not all education is done through schooling.
No it isn't, saying it is doesn't make it so.
The medical system is not, state owned, owned in commons and is not controlled cooperatively.
No it's just that you guys use whatever definition you like, most especially when it suites your agenda.
These areas commonly described as "socialist" are really more akin to economic fascism.
Socialism doesn't require "ownership", just control, and agriculture is controlled by the govt (on edit: I see that the definition you posted agrees with what I say here). If you disagree, just try to run a farm or a restaurant or a food service company and you'll quickly be disabused of your libertarian fantasy
The vast majority of education in this country is done by people who work for the govt. And the people who build and supply schools are not in the education business; Only a fool would think a construction company is an educational organization.
:cuckoo:
Once again, socialism does not require govt ownership; just govt control and the medical industry is under govt control.
That sounds more like libertarians and their bogus "ideology" which is nothing more than a facade they use to blame society for their own failures
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