SO you think mail-in voting is just peachy in the great state of Texas

[BirdinHand]

I guess you do realize you said "too ****ing bad" to many elderly republican voters. This affects everyone. Why are conservatives so mean when it comes to people with disabilities. Shouldn't we be making it easier, not harder for people to vote?

What is so hard about either an ID number or social security number?

 

[The AntiDonald]

See, the thing is - ID numbers and social security numbers don’t change.

My PA driver license number remained exactly the same the entire time I lived in PA.

My NJ driver license number has been exactly the same the entire time I’ve lived in NJ.

This includes when I got married and changed my name, when I’ve moved, etc.

Social security number remains the same your entire life - no matter where you live or if you change your name.

If they put down one incorrectly - they could fix the mistake.


Also, luckily, all this is getting worked out ahead of the primaries..and it would seem county clerks are getting word out to residents how to fix any errors.

Why do people want voters casting mail in votes when their identity cannot be confirmed?

Interim Jefferson County Clerk provides tips to avoid common mail-in ballot mistakes

This is the first election under the state's new election law, and it's changed the process for election clerks.

www.12newsnow.com

Here's a fact. In the 2020 election, 99% of those caught committing voter fraud were republicans casting a vote for Trump. The vast, vast majority of people do not contemplate committing voter fraud. Only in the mind of republicans.

Republicans are fixing a problem that doesn't exist. Shameful.

 

[BirdinHand]

Here's a fact. In the 2020 election, 99% of those caught committing voter fraud were republicans casting a vote for Trump. The vast, vast majority of people do not contemplate committing voter fraud. Only in the mind of republicans.

Republicans are fixing a problem that doesn't exist. Shameful.

I could not care less about the 2020 election.

I fully support ID to vote - in person or via mail. Always have, always will.

I truly don’t understand why anyone would oppose it. It is a safe guard to assuring every single American that the vote is being cast by the person that claims to be casting it.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

There is a different forum for conspiracy theories.

First of all, quit combining my posts with other people. It's stupid and annoying, so just stop.

So explain why those 147 Republican traitors voted to overturn Biden's victory.

 

[Mycroft]

I guess you do realize you said "too ****ing bad" to many elderly republican voters. This affects everyone.

I don't care if the voters are elderly or not. I don't care if they are Dems, Reps or members of the Spartacist League (US). They all can follow the law.

Why are conservatives so mean when it comes to people with disabilities.

What makes you think people with disabilities cannot follow the law?

Shouldn't we be making it easier, not harder for people to vote?

Not when it compromises election security or makes it easier to commit voter and election fraud.

 

[Mycroft]

I could not care less about the 2020 election.

I fully support ID to vote - in person or via mail. Always have, always will.

I truly don’t understand why anyone would oppose it. It is a safe guard to assuring every single American that the vote is being cast by the person that claims to be casting it.

And, having effective voter ID requirements makes it harder for the voter counters to screw with the vote count.

 

[BlueTex]

A driver's license is not required, merely accepted. Suitable ID is a right and is provided free.

It's worth noting that a substantial majority of people believe that requiring a photo ID is appropriate. This is true among Blacks despite the arguments of Black political leaders against it.

Texas DOES NOT require an ID for voting by mail.... You can merely enter your last four of your social security number on the carrier envelope...

 

[BlueTex]

And, having effective voter ID requirements makes it harder for the voter counters to screw with the vote count.

Yet Texas does not require a voter ID for voting by mail...

 

[Liberal7360]

See, the thing is - ID numbers and social security numbers don’t change.

My PA driver license number remained exactly the same the entire time I lived in PA.

My NJ driver license number has been exactly the same the entire time I’ve lived in NJ.

This includes when I got married and changed my name, when I’ve moved, etc.

Social security number remains the same your entire life - no matter where you live or if you change your name.

If they put down one incorrectly - they could fix the mistake.


Also, luckily, all this is getting worked out ahead of the primaries..and it would seem county clerks are getting word out to residents how to fix any errors.

Why do people want voters casting mail in votes when their identity cannot be confirmed?

Interim Jefferson County Clerk provides tips to avoid common mail-in ballot mistakes

This is the first election under the state's new election law, and it's changed the process for election clerks.

www.12newsnow.com

Yes they do.

For over 4 decades my driver's license number was a certain one.

Then, the republicans went on their immigration thing and we had to change our ID for travel.

When that happened, all of a sudden, my driver's license number changed. I had memorized it in the 70s and all of a sudden, it was different. Without telling me or any notification. I don't know about you but when I renew my license I don't look at the number on it. I didn't see a reason to do that. It had been the same number for over 4 decades.

So yes, those numbers can change.

Also, decades ago, they didn't take down those numbers when registering for voting in Texas. So millions of voters who have voted for decades, their votes were all of a sudden reject because that number wasn't on file and there is no way to put that number into an existing registration in Texas so there is no way to correct the problem. A person has to reregister to vote to correct it.

Now, how many people knew this before they voted in Texas?

It's obvious due to the high rate of rejecting votes, that not many people knew this.

 

[Razoo]

Paperless electronic voting on touch screen machines does not provide confidence to ensure votes are counted the way voters intend.

The software on which votes are counted is protected as a corporate trade secret, and the software is so complex that if malicious code was embedded, no analysis could discover it. Further, because there is no voter verified paper record, it is not possible to audit the electronic vote for accuracy, nor is it possible to conduct an independent recount. This is a grotesquely designed, over-complicated, expensive system fraught with the potential for mistakes and undetected fraud. We should not trust the future of our nation to such malleable technology.

On July 23, 2003, the Johns Hopkins Information Security Institute reviewed the electronic voting system in Maryland and found that it had security far below even the most minimal security standards.

In the IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy 2004, four top computer scientists from the University of California, Johns Hopkins University, and Rice University similarly critiqued Diebold’s voting system:

"We found significant security flaws: voters can trivially cast multiple ballots with no built-in traceability, administrative functions can be performed by regular voters, and the threats posed by insiders such as poll workers, software developers, and janitors is even greater. Based on our analysis of the development environment, including change logs and comments, we believe that an appropriate level of programming discipline for a project such as this was not maintained. In fact, there appears to have been little quality control in the process.

"…The model where individual vendors write proprietary code to run our elections appears to be unreliable, and if we do not change the process of designing our voting systems, we will have no confidence that our election results will reflect the will of the electorate."

Computers are inherently subject to programming error, equipment malfunction, and malicious tampering. If we are to ensure fair and honest elections, and retain voter confidence in our democratic process, we need to ensure that there are no such questions.

 

[BlueTex]

Paperless electronic voting on touch screen machines does not provide confidence to ensure votes are counted the way voters intend.

The software on which votes are counted is protected as a corporate trade secret, and the software is so complex that if malicious code was embedded, no analysis could discover it. Further, because there is no voter verified paper record, it is not possible to audit the electronic vote for accuracy, nor is it possible to conduct an independent recount. This is a grotesquely designed, over-complicated, expensive system fraught with the potential for mistakes and undetected fraud. We should not trust the future of our nation to such malleable technology.

On July 23, 2003, the Johns Hopkins Information Security Institute reviewed the electronic voting system in Maryland and found that it had security far below even the most minimal security standards.

In the IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy 2004, four top computer scientists from the University of California, Johns Hopkins University, and Rice University similarly critiqued Diebold’s voting system:

"We found significant security flaws: voters can trivially cast multiple ballots with no built-in traceability, administrative functions can be performed by regular voters, and the threats posed by insiders such as poll workers, software developers, and janitors is even greater. Based on our analysis of the development environment, including change logs and comments, we believe that an appropriate level of programming discipline for a project such as this was not maintained. In fact, there appears to have been little quality control in the process.

"…The model where individual vendors write proprietary code to run our elections appears to be unreliable, and if we do not change the process of designing our voting systems, we will have no confidence that our election results will reflect the will of the electorate."

Computers are inherently subject to programming error, equipment malfunction, and malicious tampering. If we are to ensure fair and honest elections, and retain voter confidence in our democratic process, we need to ensure that there are no such questions.

What exactly does touch screen voting machines have to do with absentee voting in Texas?

 

[BirdinHand]

Paperless electronic voting on touch screen machines does not provide confidence to ensure votes are counted the way voters intend.

The software on which votes are counted is protected as a corporate trade secret, and the software is so complex that if malicious code was embedded, no analysis could discover it. Further, because there is no voter verified paper record, it is not possible to audit the electronic vote for accuracy, nor is it possible to conduct an independent recount. This is a grotesquely designed, over-complicated, expensive system fraught with the potential for mistakes and undetected fraud. We should not trust the future of our nation to such malleable technology.

On July 23, 2003, the Johns Hopkins Information Security Institute reviewed the electronic voting system in Maryland and found that it had security far below even the most minimal security standards.

In the IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy 2004, four top computer scientists from the University of California, Johns Hopkins University, and Rice University similarly critiqued Diebold’s voting system:

"We found significant security flaws: voters can trivially cast multiple ballots with no built-in traceability, administrative functions can be performed by regular voters, and the threats posed by insiders such as poll workers, software developers, and janitors is even greater. Based on our analysis of the development environment, including change logs and comments, we believe that an appropriate level of programming discipline for a project such as this was not maintained. In fact, there appears to have been little quality control in the process.

"…The model where individual vendors write proprietary code to run our elections appears to be unreliable, and if we do not change the process of designing our voting systems, we will have no confidence that our election results will reflect the will of the electorate."

Computers are inherently subject to programming error, equipment malfunction, and malicious tampering. If we are to ensure fair and honest elections, and retain voter confidence in our democratic process, we need to ensure that there are no such questions.

There are touch screen machines that kick out a paper copy.

We just used them in NJ in 2021.

You vote on the screen, you confirm you vote, the machine prints out a hard copy and you see it behind a glass tube and then the paper copy is stored in the machine.

 

[Liberal7360]

What is so hard about either an ID number or social security number?

Because years ago, Texas didn't take that number for registering to vote so millions of older voters don't have that number on their voting registration.

There is no way to enter that number into their voting registration so there is no way to correct it on an existing registration.

A person has to reregister to vote to correct the problem.

Conveniently the government of Texas didn't tell the population about it and so millions of people who have been legally voting for decades, can't vote now.

 

[Razoo]

According to Right Wing Watch ALEC is directly tied to the emerging trend among state legislatures to consider voter ID laws.27Using false allegations of “voter fraud,” right-wing politicians are pursuing policies that disenfranchise students and other at-risk voters — including the elderly and the poor — who are unlikely to have drivers’ licenses or other forms of photo ID.28 By suppressing the vote of such groups, ALEC’s model “Voter ID Act” grants an electoral advantage to Republicans while undermining the right to vote.


In addition, ALEC wants to make it easier for corporations to participate in the political process. Their Public Safety and Elections taskforce is co-chaired by Sean Parnell of the Center for Competitive Politics, one of the most vociferous pro-corporate election groups, and promotes model legislation that would devastate campaign finance reform and allow for greater corporate influence in elections.29

 

[BirdinHand]

Yes they do.

For over 4 decades my driver's license number was a certain one.

Then, the republicans went on their immigration thing and we had to change our ID for travel.

When that happened, all of a sudden, my driver's license number changed. I had memorized it in the 70s and all of a sudden, it was different. Without telling me or any notification. I don't know about you but when I renew my license I don't look at the number on it. I didn't see a reason to do that. It had been the same number for over 4 decades.

So yes, those numbers can change.

Also, decades ago, they didn't take down those numbers when registering for voting in Texas. So millions of voters who have voted for decades, their votes were all of a sudden reject because that number wasn't on file and there is no way to put that number into an existing registration in Texas so there is no way to correct the problem. A person has to reregister to vote to correct it.

Now, how many people knew this before they voted in Texas?

It's obvious due to the high rate of rejecting votes, that not many people knew this.

So if those numbers were never used - it means you used your social security number.

These ballot applications ask for 1 of 2 numbers, correct?

 

[poweRob]

I don't remember. I don't think so. I think all I had to do was sign my ballot.

shrug...

Maybe Texas should talk to Colorado about how to implement a good all mail in ballot system.

Anyway, your question is irrelevant. You are dismissed.

I use 50 mana points and cast the spell of reversal:

​

Now BlueTex is reinstated and Mycroft is dismissed.

 

[poweRob]

First of all, quit combining my posts with other people. It's stupid and annoying, so just stop.

So explain why those 147 Republican traitors voted to overturn Biden's victory.

He likes lots of attention and doing that multi-quote post of many people is his lazy way of getting all that attention. He does it all the time.

 

[Liberal7360]

So if those numbers were never used - it means you used your social security number.

These ballot applications ask for 1 of 2 numbers, correct?

How do people know what number to use?

I don't know if it does. I don't vote in Texas. My state doesn't make people jump through such hoops to vote by mail. All we have to do is sign the envelope. That's it. That's all we need for ID here, our signature.

Plus decades ago, Texas didn't take those numbers to register so millions of Texas don't have any number on their registration and there is no way to enter that number into an existing registration so millions of Texans who have been voting for decades can't vote.

 

[BlueTex]

So if those numbers were never used - it means you used your social security number.

These ballot applications ask for 1 of 2 numbers, correct?

Texas screwed up both the absentee ballot APPLICATION and the actual absentee BALLOT process...

The bulk of mail-in ballots have yet to arrive at elections offices, but local officials are already reporting that a significant number are coming in without the newly required ID information. As of Wednesday, election officials in Harris County alone had flagged 1,360 mail-in ballots to be sent back to voters — 40% of the mail-in ballots returned up to that point — because they lacked an ID number.

Under the state’s new rules, officials cannot accept ballots without the ID information on the return envelopes containing the ballot and must mail them back if there’s enough time for the voter to send back a corrected envelope.

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The ID requirements forced a redesign of the carrier envelopes used to return mail-in ballots, allowing them to be sealed in a way that protects a voter’s sensitive information while traveling through the mail. The ID field was placed under the envelope flap. But based on early figures, local election officials this week said they feared voters were missing it altogether.

The voting law allows for a correction process, but local election officials and voters are facing a time crunch.

Defective ballots must be sent back to voters if they arrive early enough to be sent back and corrected. If officials determine there’s not enough time, they must notify the voter by phone or email. Voters must then visit the elections office in person to correct the issue, or use the state’s new online ballot tracker to verify the missing information.

Those determinations are made by panels of election workers responsible for qualifying mail-in ballots. The Texas secretary of state’s office, which oversees elections, has advised counties to convene those panels as early as possible to give voters the maximum amount of time to make a correction.

Hundreds of mail-in ballots are being returned to Texas voters because they don’t comply with new voting law

Local elections officials say an unexpectedly large number of ballots for the March primary are being initially rejected for lacking newly required ID information.

www.texastribune.org

 

[CaughtInThe]

You realize that the new TX voter law requires voters to submit often decades old proof to request a mail ballot ?

A 80-year old voter probably registered 60 years ago in TX, with a social security or other ID number that this person might not have anymore after all these years … and TX requires exactly this old ID number and nothing else.

So, TX strongly discriminates against old people (veterans for example), and not just against minorities.

That's disgusting

 

[rickc]

Well it is working perfectly. Just how the republicans planned it. All the red states will have a greatly reduced number of eligible voters. Even then if they don't like the outcome they will just throw out a few voting districts and substitute their own numbers.

It really isn't who votes. It's who counts the votes.

I thought this only happened in 3rd world dictatorships. Well I believe it is also how Putin wins elections.

 

[poweRob]

You realize that the new TX voter law requires voters to submit often decades old proof to request a mail ballot ?

A 80-year old voter probably registered 60 years ago in TX, with a social security or other ID number that this person might not have anymore after all these years … and TX requires exactly this old ID number and nothing else.

So, TX strongly discriminates against old people (veterans for example), and not just against minorities.

I hope like hell it blows up in their faces and blocks loads of republican voters. Although I get the feeling this is a human rejection and not a computer one so I'd imagine it some regions get selected for more rejection than others.

 

[poweRob]

Well it is working perfectly. Just how the republicans planned it. All the red states will have a greatly reduced number of eligible voters. Even then if they don't like the outcome they will just throw out a few voting districts and substitute their own numbers.

It really isn't who votes. It's who counts the votes.

I thought this only happened in 3rd world dictatorships. Well I believe it is also how Putin wins elections.

And how trump tried to win his. Glad to see our democracy was strong enough to withstand all the republicans attacks. Hope it still can with their renewed assault on democracy.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Just a few bugs in the process to work out. Kinks, if you will. I’m sure we will be ready for 2022.

 

[BirdinHand]

Well it is working perfectly. Just how the republicans planned it. All the red states will have a greatly reduced number of eligible voters. Even then if they don't like the outcome they will just throw out a few voting districts and substitute their own numbers.

It really isn't who votes. It's who counts the votes.

I thought this only happened in 3rd world dictatorships. Well I believe it is also how Putin wins elections.

So you expect voter fraud?