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So why is it that almost ALL of the states with the highest homicide rates are very, very red states with loose gun laws? Here's the top seventeen states, listed by murders per 100,000 residents from that reference:
Louisiana 11.2
Mississippi 8.0
New Mexico 7.5
Maryland 6.8
South Carolina 6.8
Alabama 6.3
Michigan 6.2
Arizona 6.2
Missouri 6.1
Tennessee 5.8
Illinois 5.6
Georgia 5.6
Oklahoma 5.5
Arkansas 5.5
North Carolina 5.3
Nevada 5.2
Florida 5.2
I see, what, THREE traditionally blue states - four if you count New Mexico (a mixed bag at best). The rest are RED states, with loose gun laws and high rates of gun possession. I mean, according to NRA 'logic', Illinois, California, and New York should be the top three...but they're not. They're not even close to the top.
WHY is this?
Who cares and how does that trump my 2A rights?So why is it that almost ALL of the states with the highest homicide rates are very, very red states with loose gun laws? Here's the top seventeen states, listed by murders per 100,000 residents from that reference:
Louisiana 11.2
Mississippi 8.0
New Mexico 7.5
Maryland 6.8
South Carolina 6.8
Alabama 6.3
Michigan 6.2
Arizona 6.2
Missouri 6.1
Tennessee 5.8
Illinois 5.6
Georgia 5.6
Oklahoma 5.5
Arkansas 5.5
North Carolina 5.3
Nevada 5.2
Florida 5.2
I see, what, THREE traditionally blue states - four if you count New Mexico (a mixed bag at best). The rest are RED states, with loose gun laws and high rates of gun possession. I mean, according to NRA 'logic', Illinois, California, and New York should be the top three...but they're not. They're not even close to the top.
WHY is this?
Most likely because of the state demographics.
Who cares and how does that trump my 2A rights?
So why is it that almost ALL of the states with the highest homicide rates are very, very red states with loose gun laws? Here's the top seventeen states, listed by murders per 100,000 residents from that reference:
Louisiana 11.2
Mississippi 8.0
New Mexico 7.5
Maryland 6.8
South Carolina 6.8
Alabama 6.3
Michigan 6.2
Arizona 6.2
Missouri 6.1
Tennessee 5.8
Illinois 5.6
Georgia 5.6
Oklahoma 5.5
Arkansas 5.5
North Carolina 5.3
Nevada 5.2
Florida 5.2
I see, what, THREE traditionally blue states - four if you count New Mexico (a mixed bag at best). The rest are RED states, with loose gun laws and high rates of gun possession. I mean, according to NRA 'logic', Illinois, California, and New York should be the top three...but they're not. They're not even close to the top.
WHY is this?
If thats how you look at it. But its called keeping our 2A rights. That is what it is about.Yeah, who cares how many innocent men, women, and children die, just so's you can keep your toys.
And before you start belly aching about the innocent. Where is your stat on how many of these murders were criminal on criminal?Yeah, who cares how many innocent men, women, and children die, just so's you can keep your toys.
Ah, and what 'demographics' are you referring to, hm?
Ah, and what 'demographics' are you referring to, hm?
But, who is committing these shootings? Legal gun owners, or people who obtained weapons illegally? If the guns were illegally obtained, it doesn't really matter how 'loose' the laws are.
I don't want to assume so please correct me if I'm wrong but a very common argument is that its legal gun owners who stop criminals in the first place by being armed, wouldn't this statistic contradict that by showing that it is not always the case that loose gun laws and high rates of gun ownership reduce murder?
I don't want to assume so please correct me if I'm wrong but a very common argument is that its legal gun owners who stop criminals in the first place by being armed, wouldn't this statistic contradict that by showing that it is not always the case that loose gun laws and high rates of gun ownership reduce murder?
The demographics which pertain to crime statistics. Pretty easy to look up.
Come now. I don't think that's what you're referring to.
If thats how you look at it. But its called keeping our 2A rights. That is what it is about.
And before you start belly aching about the innocent. Where is your stat on how many of these murders were criminal on criminal?
Yeah, who cares how many innocent men, women, and children die, just so's you can keep your toys.
California | 4.8 |
New Jersey | 4.3 |
New York | 4 |
One of mine is.My car is not a toy.
So your 'right' (which it isn't, since we don't have a "well-regulated militia" other than the National Guard today) is more important than the lives of innocent men, women, and children?
The one you won't admit to - those are also the states that have the highest black population. Now stop, I'm not saying that's the cause per se, but it could be ONE of the causes. Higher racial unrest may be part of the picture. I don't know. I DO know it has nothing to do with the fictional meme of red/blue states.
Yeah, who cares how many innocent men, women, and children die, just so's you can keep your toys.
So why is it that almost ALL of the states with the highest homicide rates are very, very red states with loose gun laws? Here's the top seventeen states, listed by murders per 100,000 residents from that reference:
Louisiana 11.2
Mississippi 8.0
New Mexico 7.5
Maryland 6.8
South Carolina 6.8
Alabama 6.3
Michigan 6.2
Arizona 6.2
Missouri 6.1
Tennessee 5.8
Illinois 5.6
Georgia 5.6
Oklahoma 5.5
Arkansas 5.5
North Carolina 5.3
Nevada 5.2
Florida 5.2
WHY is this?
My car is not a toy.
Let's look at the states with the most stringent gun laws:
California 4.8 New Jersey 4.3 New York 4
Huh... yet Utah, Minnesota and Iowa have under 2.0 and since 1993, murder rates have dropped nationally.
That's called "cherry picking", because you're ignoring the red states that have much higher murder rates than California, New Jersey, and New York. If you'll check, the states you picked are ones that have lower poverty rates than the blue states you picked.
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