So Why Are the States with Highest Murder Rates Almost All RED States?

[Harshaw]

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but a .50 cal sniper rifle is not your normal everyday rifle. Neither are assault rifles. Referring to such as merely 'rifles' is like saying a Lamborghini is merely a car.

MUST you continue to demonstrate you have no idea what you're talking about? Can you even name a significant difference between an "assault rifle" and ordinary hunting rifles which would make the former a "Lamborghini" of rifles?

 

[Harshaw]

You really didn't read my link, did you?

Did YOU?

Whitman used "normal, everyday rifles" (and a sawed-off shotgun):

^^^^^^^^^

Do you know what these are? No, you don't.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

You obviously know nothing about rifles. Shooting the .50 is a lot more of a pain in the butt than with a regular rifle. The rifle is heavier, you can’t carry nearly the same amount of ammo in your pocket, and making standing shots is almost out of the question. Semi auto or any kind of speed firing due to the massive punishing recoil is out of the question. Unlike you I have actually fired one a few times. A .50 cal rifle has never been used to kill anyone in a crime here in the US... ever.

Why don't you try and debate something you actually know something about.

Here we go with the "assault rifle" claim again. How many times does it have to be pointed out that only 3% of gun crime involves a rifle of ANY type. More people are killed with bats and hammers than all rifle types combined in the US.

1. A rocket launcher is difficult to handle, to aim, to use, and has never been used to kill anyone in America, so why not allow everyone to have them, too? I mean, nobody would ever, ever use one to shoot down a plane, would they?

2. Instead of pointing out how only 3% of all gun crimes are committed with rifles, how about looking up what percentage of mass shootings - 5 or more deaths - are committed with assault rifles?

And I've fired a .50 cal machine gun on board ship, too - it was part of our qualifications. What does that mean? Not much - just like your seeming belief that we'd all somehow be safer if only everybody had access to whatever guns they want.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

MUST you continue to demonstrate you have no idea what you're talking about? Can you even name a significant difference between an "assault rifle" and ordinary hunting rifles which would make the former a "Lamborghini" of rifles?

And you're demonstrating the all-too-common conservative assumption that "if someone says something against guns, they must therefore be a liberal, and liberals automatically don't know anything about guns".

And as to your question - assault rifles have a greater muzzle velocity in order to do greater damage to flesh, a shorter profile to make them easier to carry and use in close confines, magazines that have a significantly greater capacity than those of normal hunting rifles, the ammunition is often designed to penetrate body armor...and it's sorta difficult to find a bolt-action assault rifle.

But since I'm not telling you things that are exactly like what you hear in the gun-rights echo chamber, all of this seems absolutely senseless to you.

 

[Black Dog]

1. A rocket launcher is difficult to handle, to aim, to use, and has never been used to kill anyone in America, so why not allow everyone to have them, too? I mean, nobody would ever, ever use one to shoot down a plane, would they?

We are not talking about rocket launchers. That is ordinance, learn the difference. You are honestly comparing a weapon restricted under a completely different law to a completely legal weapon never used in a crime? Red Herring FTW? :lamo

2. Instead of pointing out how only 3% of all gun crimes are committed with rifles, how about looking up what percentage of mass shootings - 5 or more deaths - are committed with assault rifles?

Mass shootings are rare and make up an even smaller percentage of violent crime. Less than .01%. Stop making foolish comparisons. Nice try at an emotional hyperbolik appeal.

And I've fired a .50 cal machine gun on board ship, too - it was part of our qualifications. What does that mean? Not much - just like your seeming belief that we'd all somehow be safer if only everybody had access to whatever guns they want.

I never made such an asinine claim. You just did, not me.

A .50 Cal machine gun mounted on a ship is not even remotely the same thing. That's like trying to compare a turret mounted tank M240 coaxial machinegun, to a .308 semi automatic rifle. One is a heavy machinegun the other is not, even if they fire the same round. Also the vast majority of sniper rifles are .308 and 338 Lapua, not .50 cal. Again a .50 cal rifle has never been used for a murder and most likely never could. So lets restrict a rifle that has no effect on crime at all, none.

See how much sense that makes?

 

[Black Dog]

And you're demonstrating the all-too-common conservative assumption that "if someone says something against guns, they must therefore be a liberal, and liberals automatically don't know anything about guns".

Says the "progressive" that is against guns.

And as to your question - assault rifles have a greater muzzle velocity in order to do greater damage to flesh, a shorter profile to make them easier to carry and use in close confines, magazines that have a significantly greater capacity than those of normal hunting rifles, the ammunition is often designed to penetrate body armor...and it's sorta difficult to find a bolt-action assault rifle.

Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe! Breath... Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!

A military rifle (as assault rifle is a made up term) has a shorter barrel due to the confines of urban, forest and jungle combat environments. A longer barrel creates more muzzle velocity, not a shorter one. Magazine capacity has nothing to do with the difference, nothing at all. Specific ammunition is made to penetrate armor, the rifle again has nothing to do with it.

A true assault rifle is a select fire weapon made to fire an intermediate round between rifle and pistol. Then we have battle rifles which use full rifle rounds and are select fire.

Do some research before you make yourself look uninformed.

But since I'm not telling you things that are exactly like what you hear in the gun-rights echo chamber, all of this seems absolutely senseless to you.

They are absolutely senseless according to the police and military who made the designations and terms. The only thing senseless here is your ignorant banter on guns.

 

[Harshaw]

And you're demonstrating the all-too-common conservative assumption that "if someone says something against guns, they must therefore be a liberal, and liberals automatically don't know anything about guns".

:roll: This is exactly the kind of deeply-flawed thinking you demonstrate so tediously often.

I know a lot of liberals who know quite a bit about guns. What I said is that YOU don't know anything about guns. And never once have I said anything about your being a liberal.

And as to your question - assault rifles have a greater muzzle velocity in order to do greater damage to flesh,

A 30-06 generally tops them.

a shorter profile to make them easier to carry and use in close confines,

Did it occur to you that a shorter barrel makes for a lower muzzle velocity? Not that this "shorter profile" is actually a feature.

magazines that have a significantly greater capacity than those of normal hunting rifles,

The ability to accept a magazine is entirely irrespective of the capacity of that magazine. A hunting rifle can accept a high-capacity magazine just like any assault rifle. Do you actually think it somehow can't? And do you have any idea how easy it is to machine a magazine?

the ammunition is often designed to penetrate body armor...and it's sorta difficult to find a bolt-action assault rifle.

:lamo

Pretty much any hunting round will penetrate body armor.

But since I'm not telling you things that are exactly like what you hear in the gun-rights echo chamber, all of this seems absolutely senseless to you.

It's "senseless" because it's almost entirely wrong.

 

[blackjack50]

And so was I. If we shouldn't keep .50 cal sniper rifles out of the hands of the civilian public because...knives!...then we shouldn't be wasting our taxpayer dollars on guns for the military to begin with, because...knives!

Do you really want to compare murder rates of a .50 cal rifle to that of knives? Hell I will let you throw in .500 mag revolvers and .50 cal muzzle loaders (black powder). Lol.

The fact is you are posing deceptive legislation with .50 cal and "sniper rifle." Caliber only refers to the diameter of the bullet. A 12 gauge is a .72 caliber. Some hunting rifles are larger than .50 cal (these are rifles intended to hunt bear or in Africa of course). There is a hunting revolver that is a .500 magnum caliber. Or are you only talking rifles?

The specific round you are speaking of is also NOT the only choice for its potential (the .50bmg) .338s lapuas or .416s can perform well to the same ranges.

 

[The Mark]

And nukes!


:roll:

shoulder-fired nuclear rocket launchers.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Did YOU?

Whitman used "normal, everyday rifles" (and a sawed-off shotgun):


Do you know what these are? No, you don't.

An M-1 carbine has never been considered a "normal, everyday rifle".

 

[Harshaw]

An M-1 carbine has never been considered a "normal, everyday rifle".

How would you know? M1 carbines are very popular among civilians, with numerous manufacturers producing them for the civilian market.

And the other rifles were the type you'd find at any K-Mart.

 

[loader]

A good rule-if you want to buy weapons, buy, and if you do not want, do not buy, but do not tell your neighbor what to do.
In fact, all sorts of progressives and liberalists are not fighting with weapons from the population, and on the population itself.
The first thing the Nazis did when they came to power in Germany, they forbade citizens to own guns. Then part of the population was killed in the extermination camps.
They learned it from the Communists, who have done the same thing ten years earlier. And then sent people into links forever, without the right to correspondence and return to life.
Why are American socialists want to repeat this tragedy, I just do not understand. Maybe they have problems with the memory? Or psyche?

 

[TurtleDude]

An M-1 carbine has never been considered a "normal, everyday rifle".

true, it is considered a common everyday carbine. And under Heller it is clearly protected given the US government has sold Hundreds of thousands of them to citizens through the DCM.

I'd love to hear what centerfire carbine or rifle is owned by more Americans that the MI carbine

 

[loader]

I'd love to hear what centerfire carbine or rifle is owned by more Americans that the MI carbine

Maybe the AR-15? I have two. "Bushmaster" and "Smith & Wesson" at .223. But I want to buy a Colt .308 calibre.

 

[TurtleDude]

Maybe the AR-15? I have two. "Bushmaster" and "Smith & Wesson" at .223. But I want to buy a Colt .308 calibre.

Here is SOME of what I have

AR 15s by Colt, DPMS, STI, RRA, ARMALITE, Bushmaster, Windham Weaponry (the original Bushmaster maker) Smith and Wesson. All pretty good, all pretty much the same

308-DSA, SA, and Browning (Belgium) FALs
RRA LAR (AR 10)
MIAI-Supermatch M21 configuration (sniper)


I like the RRA because it uses the FN mags which are cheaper than the Armalite stuff

 

[Rocketman]

Maybe the AR-15? I have two. "Bushmaster" and "Smith & Wesson" at .223. But I want to buy a Colt .308 calibre.

I have an Armalite AR 10T, love it. I was looking at the Colt LE 901 with the interchangeable upper but I am glad I went the Armalite as it shoots tight targets

 

[loader]

I have an Armalite AR 10T, love it. I was looking at the Colt LE 901 with the interchangeable upper but I am glad I went the Armalite as it shoots tight targets

Yes, Armalit is well. I envy.

 

[Rocketman]

Yes, Armalit is well. I envy.

this is not mine, but mine looks very similar to this one in set up

 

[loader]

For long distances I use Remington 7400 30.06 now.