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So where do disgruntled conservatives go?

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Just wondering. Disaffected liberals claim they'll move to Canada. But I'm having a hard time thinking of a country more conservative than the US.

Cayman Islands maybe?


Someone added a funny note to wikipedia already:
The Cayman Islands (pronounced /ˈkeɪmæn/ or /ˈkeɪmən/) is the best place to go when Obama becomes president of the United States. British overseas territory It is located in the western Caribbean Sea, comprising the islands of Grand Cayman, Cayman Brac, and Little Cayman. It is a major financial centre in the Caribbean.
Cayman Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Just wondering. Disaffected liberals claim they'll move to Canada. But I'm having a hard time thinking of a country more conservative than the US.

Cayman Islands maybe?


Someone added a funny note to wikipedia already:

Cayman Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We don't tuck our tail and run. We'll be there to pick up the pieces if and when this great socialistic experiment fails. Unlike the left, I haven't heard anyone on the right running from the United States. But that difference doesn't surprise me.
 
On a lighter note, referring to this, on another forum, a member did make a comment about thinking of moving now that the socialist was in the White House. Ironically, she mentioned moving to Canada.
 
The rich are leaving this country in droves and it's only going to get worse with more taxes.

That will mean the middle class tax payers will have to pick up the slack.
 
The rich are leaving this country in droves and it's only going to get worse with more taxes.
That will mean the middle class tax payers will have to pick up the slack.

Really? do you have links to support this?
 
When Republicans says Obama is a socialist, I seriously begin to wonder about their IQ's...

If Obama were a socialist, he wouldn't be supported by the corporate media and receiving record amounts of corporate cash. Quod erat demonstrandum.

Repubs are going to have to get a grip on reality if they want people to stop laughing at them. ;)
 
The rich are leaving this country in droves and it's only going to get worse with more taxes.

That will mean the middle class tax payers will have to pick up the slack.

Like the old saying says......

America - Love it or leave it. :mrgreen:
 
As a Conservative who has been disgruntled for most of Bush's tenure, I am not going anywhere..... Well, actually, that is not true. I would love to go to the Republican reorganization meeting on November 6, just so I can watch the Bushneviks being frog marched out of the party.
 
The rich are leaving this country in droves and it's only going to get worse with more taxes.

That will mean the middle class tax payers will have to pick up the slack.

That's the road that socialist path provides. You'd have to be a fool to think that there's a limit to the growth of government. We're only in the first step. As we become more dependent, the socialists get their wish.
 
Really? do you have links to support this?

Here's a good one.

Are Rich Americans Leaving The Country? | Boom2Bust.com


.....I know what you may be thinking. It’s about time the rich starting paying their fair share of taxes. However, last fall, the Washington, D.C.-based tax research organization The Tax Foundation looked at the latest release of Internal Revenue Service data on individual income taxes. In 2005:

The top-earning 25 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $62,068) earned 67.5 percent of the nation’s income, but they paid more than four out of every five dollars collected by the federal income tax (86 percent). The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $364,657) earned approximately 21.2 percent of the nation’s income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 39.4 percent of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1 percent of tax returns paid about the same amount of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95 percent of tax returns.

Stephen Moore, a senior economics writer for the Wall Street Journal editorial board and a contributor to CNBC, wrote in the November/December 2007 issue of The American magazine:

Yes, income in America is skewed toward the rich. But taxes are skewed far, far more. The top 5 percent pay well over half the income taxes.

Maybe the rich ain’t so bad after all. Get rid of them, and who will pay for all those precious government programs?

But the question still remains. Are rich Americans leaving, or planning to leave, the country? Consider a poll conducted by Zogby International which asked adult Americans if they had ever considered moving outside the United States. The survey, which had more than 115,000 respondents, excluded anyone relocating offshore for less than two years and anyone who relocated because of government requirements, the military or their jobs. Bob Bauman of offshore experts The Sovereign Society wrote on October 16:

The Zogby results are shocking – especially compared to the entire U.S. population (now about 303,116,000). The numbers below are for households, not individuals.

• 1.6 million U.S. households already decided to move offshore and are headed in that direction.
• Another 1.8 million households are seriously considering moving and are likely to do it. Many have taken preliminary steps.
• 7.7 million households are “somewhat seriously” considering moving and “may” do it.
• Nearly 3 million households are seriously considering buying a vacation home or other property outside the United States. Another 10 million are “somewhat” seriously considering it.

This means that almost 10% of U.S. households are considering leaving the country. Another 10% are considering living outside the country part-time. Most analysts are ignoring this silent massive emigration.

These would-be emigrant households plan to spend an average of US$260,000 on buying or building a house. They’re also planning to spend at least US$36,000 annually on living expenses outside the United States.

In total, they represent hundreds of billions of dollars leaving the U.S. economy each year.

Bauman quoted John Gaver of ActionAmerica.org, who said:

The problem is that increasingly, the wealthy perceive that they are under attack by their own government and they are taking the only rational option left open to them. They’re taking their wealth and leaving.

And regarding the number of wealthy Americans who have already left the country, Bauman wrote:

Every year, about 250,000 U.S. citizens and resident aliens leave America to make a new home in some other nation.

In 2005, the U.S. Bureau of the Census upped this estimate. They guessed that over 350,000 U.S. citizens and resident aliens would leave the United States permanently.

On February 15, John Gaver wrote in a piece on ActionAmerica.org:

Wealthy US citizens continue to leave the US at an alarming rate…

Tax haven countries are recording significantly larger numbers of US applicants for permanent residence or second citizenship every year. Keep in mind that most of those expats are wealthy, since poor people can’t afford to leave. In fact, millions of poor people risk their lives in the back of trailers or crossing Arizona desert every year, to take advantage of our increasing welfare state. It is the wealthy, who are leaving and they represent lost US investment dollars and subsequently, LOST US JOBS…

When big money is forced out of the US, it is the average citizen who has to make up the difference in higher taxes. The Income Tax and US government attacks on wealth is costing you money in more ways than you know.
 
We'll be leaving in Feb/March. Dominica is a likely destination, though after visiting Belize a couple weeks ago, we haven't ruled it out either.
 
From your article:

The Zogby results are shocking – especially compared to the entire U.S. population (now about 303,116,000). The numbers below are for households, not individuals.

• 1.6 million U.S. households already decided to move offshore and are headed in that direction.
• Another 1.8 million households are seriously considering moving and are likely to do it. Many have taken preliminary steps.
• 7.7 million households are “somewhat seriously” considering moving and “may” do it.
• Nearly 3 million households are seriously considering buying a vacation home or other property outside the United States. Another 10 million are “somewhat” seriously considering it.

This means that almost 10% of U.S. households are considering leaving the country. Another 10% are considering living outside the country part-time. Most analysts are ignoring this silent massive emigration.
10% is over 30 million. How do any of those numbers add up to 30 million? Furthermore, what qualifies these people as "rich"? If Obama is taxing the top 3%, then the next 7% wouldn't really be rich would they?

This is silliness. There are really few places to go with lower taxes that are worth living in. Rich people stash money overseas and may buy extra homes there, but I doubt they would leave the US in droves.
 
When Republicans says Obama is a socialist, I seriously begin to wonder about their IQ's...

If Obama were a socialist, he wouldn't be supported by the corporate media and receiving record amounts of corporate cash. Quod erat demonstrandum.

Repubs are going to have to get a grip on reality if they want people to stop laughing at them. ;)
You mean like we laugh at YOU?
 
From your article:

10% is over 30 million. How do any of those numbers add up to 30 million? Furthermore, what qualifies these people as "rich"? If Obama is taxing the top 3%, then the next 7% wouldn't really be rich would they?

This is silliness. There are really few places to go with lower taxes that are worth living in. Rich people stash money overseas and may buy extra homes there, but I doubt they would leave the US in droves.

The numbers don't add up, do they? and will they give up US citizenship?
Will the poor citizens of their new home country accept them? Look at it from their point of view, rich Americans moving to their home to use up more of thier scarce resources...how long before they say, hey, let's tax the rich American immigrants!!!!!
Very few will leave....nearly all that "talk" about it whimp out at the last minute...
 
I take it you're ok with the gun control in those places?
Don't need a gun

Belize sucks, it's poor and small.

Belize was absolutely breathtaking and the people are among the friendliest I've ever met. It's a beautiful country with beautiful people, and a plethora of things to do.
 
Getting off topic for a sec, who are all the people showing up here out of the woodwork spewing hate and BS on other threads? It's absolutely maddening and unbelieveable!!
 
From your article:

10% is over 30 million. How do any of those numbers add up to 30 million? Furthermore, what qualifies these people as "rich"? If Obama is taxing the top 3%, then the next 7% wouldn't really be rich would they?

This is silliness. There are really few places to go with lower taxes that are worth living in. Rich people stash money overseas and may buy extra homes there, but I doubt they would leave the US in droves.

Interestingly, the blog says that the poll was taken in November 2007. Anyone notice the departure of 30 million Americans?

Sarzac's article is insane.
 
Interestingly, the blog says that the poll was taken in November 2007. Anyone notice the departure of 30 million Americans?

Sarzac's article is insane.
No, the whole notion is a Hollywood joke.
 
Well, I think Felicity may have gone to Vatican City.
 
Getting off topic for a sec, who are all the people showing up here out of the woodwork spewing hate and BS on other threads? It's absolutely maddening and unbelieveable!!

I'm new. And I'm looking for a new place for balanced political debate. I used to post at Jokers Updates, which is actually a Big Brother (CBS show) site that my wife used. It had a political section that she showed me, but they have a big problem with people who don't subscribe to their liberal points of view. It was mob mentality. So I am new here and I apologize for spewing hate, as some may see it. I am opinionated, that's for sure.
 
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