So, the Democrats Won. What Now?

[RaleBulgarian]

OK, but would allowing 42% or 33% of those many millions ‘encountered’ to be released into the US be OK with you?

After all, if Jose crossed ‘illegally’ into the US 4 times and was ‘removed’ (denied entry) 3 times, Jose still ends up inside the US.

Those encountered that have already been previously deported are either immediately deported, or are arrested and prosecuted. Not given papers and turned loose inside our borders.

It’s been several months since I’ve followed Southern border illegal immigration issues, so I don’t know current numbers per category, but consistently for many years, only a very small fraction of those requesting asylum are ultimately allowed to remain in the United States. The reminder are returned to their home countries, or released back into Mexico.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Those encountered that have already been previously deported are either immediately deported, or are arrested and prosecuted. Not given papers and turned loose inside our borders.

Removal (a CPB/DHS administrative action) is different from deportation (a court action). This is why the terms (words) used are very important.

It’s been several months since I’ve followed Southern border illegal immigration issues, so I don’t know current numbers per category, but consistently for many years, only a very small fraction of those requesting asylum are ultimately allowed to remain in the United States. The reminder are returned to their home countries, or released back into Mexico.

That is also not true. Simply being denied (or no longer having) legal immigration status (e.g. expired visa or never showing up for an asylum hearing) alone does not get someone automagically deported (a very expensive and time consuming process).

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2022-06/ICE%20-%20Intensive%20Supervision%20Appearance%20Program%2C%20FYs%202017%20-%202020.pdf

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

how does losing the house = saving democracy?
also btw, i just saw where your great leader had a 3 hour meeting with the Chinese coal industry super backer Xi Xinping about climate change.

I am sure they made great progress. I wonder how many more coal plants china will start this year while demanding we switch to battery everything that they own all the materials for?

Your Repug Party ain't going to be able to accomplish shit if they do barely win control of the House.

McCarthy, or whoever their worthless leader is, is not going to be able to control the Repug Goober Caucus of MTG, Boebert, and Gaetz and all of the other Repugs that constantly play with their poo. Your whole party is ****ing fascist Nazi clown show.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Removal (a CPB/DHS administrative action) is different from deportation (a court action). This is why the terms (words) used are very important.

The technical language isn’t relevant to the “Jose” scenario you suggested.

“Jose”, reentering the U.S. after having already being previously deported will not be given papers, and released into the U.S..

That is also not true. Simply being denied (or no longer having) legal immigration status (e.g. expired visa or never showing up for an asylum hearing) alone does not get someone automagically deported (a very expensive and time consuming process).

You’re responding to a scenario that I haven’t commented on.

I specifically, and correctly, addressed asylum requests.

It’s been several months since I’ve followed Southern border illegal immigration issues, so I don’t know current numbers per category, but consistently for many years, only a very small fraction of those requesting asylum are ultimately allowed to remain in the United States. The reminder are returned to their home countries, or released back into Mexico.

 

[NatMorton]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

Unfortunately, I think it's buckle up for a recession. We keep seeing fairly large Big Tech layoffs in the news over the last couple of weeks, and as one analyst wrote this week "... these companies may be the canaries in the coal mine."

Think we're in for a bumpy ride.

 

[Jay59]

Unfortunately, I think it's buckle up for a recession. We keep seeing fairly large Big Tech layoffs in the news over the last couple of weeks, and as one analyst wrote this week "... these companies may be the canaries in the coal mine."

Think we're in for a bumpy ride.

They are also a large part of the money behind the Democratic party.

 

[Galactic Spin]

They are also a large part of the money behind the Democratic party.

Highly educated people do trend that way.

 

[NatMorton]

They are also a large part of the money behind the Democratic party.

The money didn't help in 2016.

 

[Jay59]

Highly educated people do trend that way.

The Democrats used to be the party of the undereducated working man. Times have changed.

The money didn't help in 2016.

Yes, it did, just not enough.

Hillary is truly repugnant, enough to make many hold their nose and vote for Trump. Who knew that he would be good at the job?

 

[Galactic Spin]

The Democrats used to be the party of the undereducated working man. Times have changed.

Indeed they have. That was when it was a true leftist party. Now it's a centrist-corporate party . And the undereducated working man often votes more with his bigotry than his wallet these days.

 

[Cardinal]

"So, the Democrats Won. What Now?"

Appoint lifetime court seats nonstop.

 

[Perotista]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

It’s not a guarantee the Republicans will control the house. As it stands now it’s 212-204 Republican with 19 seats still undecided. But even if the GOP does take control of the house, it will be by the slimmest of margins. Life goes on with divided government. Sometimes nothing getting done is a good thing. Divided government means neither party can force their agenda down on the rest of us who isn’t part of the party in power base. If something is to get accomplished, it will require compromise. Which is also a good thing. Now the rest of us who aren’t part of the Republican or Democratic base can relax for a couple of years knowing one party isn’t going to have their way with all the rest of us. I can live with that. As I said, life goes on.

 

[Jay59]

Indeed they have. That was when it was a true leftist party.

That was never true.

Now it's a centrist-corporate party .

In no way is the Democratic party remotely centrist. That's where MAGA sits.

And the undereducated working man often votes more with his bigotry than his wallet these days.

Your bigotry is showing as well.

It’s not a guarantee the Republicans will control the house. As it stands now it’s 212-204 Republican with 19 seats still undecided.

That's out of date. It's 216-206 so they only need 2 of 13.

But even if the GOP does take control of the house, it will be by the slimmest of margins. Life goes on with divided government. Sometimes nothing getting done is a good thing. Divided government means neither party can force their agenda down on the rest of us who isn’t part of the party in power base. If something is to get accomplished, it will require compromise. Which is also a good thing. Now the rest of us who aren’t part of the Republican or Democratic base can relax for a couple of years knowing one party isn’t going to have their way with all the rest of us. I can live with that. As I said, life goes on.

Controlling the Speakership is significant. It also means control of the agenda.

 

[pocket aces]

The Democrats used to be the party of the undereducated working man. Times have changed.


Yes, it did, just not enough.

Hillary is truly repugnant, enough to make many hold their nose and vote for Trump. Who knew that he would be good at the job?

Except he wasn't good at the job. His spending, stupid trade war, and his horrible mismanagement of Covid19 led to the inflation we are seeing now.

 

[jonny5]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

So now that the Democrat loss is almost official, what do they do next?

 

[US&THEM]

Are you guys done pretending Trump wasn’t the anchor around the GOP’s neck. Lake is a direct reflection for it, she thought she was Trump.

 

[Jay59]

So now that the Democrat loss is almost official, what do they do next?

Hence the thread.

Democrats won because they kept the Senate.

 

[jonny5]

Hence the thread.

Democrats won because they kept the Senate.

But they lost because they lost the house. So what do they do next?

 

[Rawley]

More @Rawley signature dishonesty.

You didn’t simply ask a question. You posed a question to a position I did not assert.

Try to “be best”.

Pathetic Rale, pathetic.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Pathetic Rale, pathetic.

I agree. Your constant/consistent dishonesty is very pathetic.

 

[jpn]

Simple, move away from MAGA and get back to the people. MAGA got CRUSHED this week, should be clear enough what needs to happen.

 

[jpn]

They were not arrested. They were given a piece of paper and sent on their way. Most in less then 24 hours from when they illegally crossed the border.

You may be confusing political refugees with illegals. Refugees face years of waiting for their court date, and some are allowed to wait in the country until then. Not always, though. Illegals, when caught at the border, are usually sent back.

Often those sent back just try to cross again, boosting the numbers.

If Republicans really wanted to reduce illegal immigration, they would support E-verify. But businesses that rely on cheap labor hate E-verify and block it at every turn.

 

[Jay59]

You may be confusing political refugees with illegals. Refugees face years of waiting for their court date, and some are allowed to wait in the country until then. Not always, though. Illegals, when caught at the border, are usually sent back.

Often those sent back just try to cross again, boosting the numbers.

If Republicans really wanted to reduce illegal immigration, they would support E-verify. But businesses that rely on cheap labor hate E-verify and block it at every turn.

The Trump administration managed to get a grip on the problem. By 2019, the number of illegal crossings had plummeted. The tools exist provided that they are used. The Biden administration repudiated several of them the day of the inauguration.

Generally speaking, refugee status only applies to the first border crossing. Literally no one arriving from Mexico will be a refugee.

 

[Hypothetical]

Dude the cries about how the dems are killing america didn't work and yet here you are starting off the next election cycle repeating the same doom and gloom if the dems win.

Get a new schtick.

the only thing that did not work was the SCOTUS ruling on RvW.

 

[Hypothetical]

The only thing they forget faster are Trump's transgressions.

yeah 6 years in and the dems haven't prove a G******* single transgression of his yet.