So, the Democrats Won. What Now?

[Greenbeard]

Time to give a few House Republicans in Biden districts plum ambassadorships.

 

[Jay59]

No reason to read past this ridiculous lie ^.

* The House hasn’t been decided yet, but you go ahead and hang onto your hopes.

If they win the House I will concede the big win for the Democrats. In no way is it a lie as it is now.

Let's not pretend this was a blue wave. Take the W and go on to the next round.

Jan 6 is a Democrat with hunt? Just stop, Jan 6 was a global embarrassment lead by your idol.

Witch hunt.

Yes. 75 unarmed people are not an insurrection.

You must have thick skin because endless investigations are the main embarrassment. No reasonable person can believe that there was an attempt to overthrow the government.

 

[US&THEM]

If they win the House I will concede the big win for the Democrats. In no way is it a lie as it is now.

Let's not pretend this was a blue wave. Take the W and go on to the next round.


Witch hunt.

Yes. 75 unarmed people are not an insurrection.

You must have thick skin because endless investigations are the main embarrassment. No reasonable person can believe that there was an attempt to overthrow the government.

75 unarmed people? Dude you are a massive joke.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

If they win the House I will concede the big win for the Democrats. In no way is it a lie as it is now.

Your concession isn’t required.

Irrefutably, the 2022 midterm elections have been a disaster for Republicans, and a big win for the rest of America.

Let's not pretend this was a blue wave. Take the W and go on to the next round.

Not a blue wave. A blue wall.

 

[Jay59]

Your concession isn’t required.

If they don't keep the House then it's an upset but still a close contest.

Irrefutably,

Easily refuted. It's a missed opportunity.

the 2022 midterm elections have been a disaster for Republicans,

Disaster would be another 2018. This was not close.

and a big win for the rest of America.

For the Blue partisans, sure.

For everyone else, not much will change.

Not a blue wave. A blue wall.

I thought you opposed the wall.

 

[Buckeyes85]

See comment about. See also the many gun laws that have had minimal real effect and the push for one more law following every headline.


Impeachment is a talking point. Democrats did it with zero justification so why wouldn't they?

No idea what the point is re: gun laws. There have been federal gun laws passed that you don't think were effective so the republicans will be focused on re writing those laws? For what purpose? Just to say they did.

And spare us the Trump talking point that there was -0- justification for impeaching him. If you truly, honestly believe that, then you are an unabashed partisan shill. (Don't tell me, you also believe the Mueller investigation totally exonerated Trump, right? After all, he said it did.)

 

[US&THEM]

If they don't keep the House then it's an upset but still a close contest.


Easily refuted. It's a missed opportunity.


Disaster would be another 2018. This was not close.


For the Blue partisans, sure.

For everyone else, not much will change.


I thought you opposed the wall.

My friend wrote this and called it correctly. Trump the joke

Sure blame Biden for the inflationary environment, because it's convenient for you to do so. But, as I called back in Oct 2020 everything Trump was doing led us to this exact moment. I also predicted his policy would result in America looking like his Taj Mahal. 1). Massive tax cuts for 1% and large corporates 2). Printed 22% of all money in circulation in 2020 3). Failed TRADE WAR - remember that? Who's paying for the tariffs now? Maybe why we can't make chips either? 4). Publically pressured/bullied the FED to not raise interest rates back in 2019, which they should have been raised by at .50. But, sure it's Biden's fault.

 

[element94]

Has no one been here been keeping up with the long ass list of Biden accomplishments? I mean really? This is a political message board.

They don't hear about it from Fox, OANN, Breitbart, QAnon...

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

Not having to worry about authoritarian tidal waves of fascism sweeping over society is a bit of a relief.
I do expect Vlad and his US counterparts in the GQP are cooking up some brand new shiny CT to dispense...maybe something about gay whales teaching their baby whales to use litterboxes for Satan because Demoncrats ate children and the whales picked the dumped bones clean and got infected with communism.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

….

“Blah, Dems didn’t really kick our asses, blah, no biggy, blah, blah”.

You’re a broken, boring record.

The Trumplican Party hit a big blue wall of Americans rejecting Trumpism, and those supporting it.

* You may want to reconsider giving any credence to the right wing polling group, RCP, next time around.

 

[Jay59]

No idea what the point is re: gun laws. There have been federal gun laws passed that you don't think were effective so the republicans will be focused on re writing those laws? For what purpose? Just to say they did.

Isn't that exactly what Democrats have done?

And spare us the Trump talking point that there was -0- justification for impeaching him.

It's not a talking point. It's just reality.

There is a reason both impeachments were tossed upon the reading of the charges.

You're a lawyer. You know 12 (b) (6) motions and what they connote. How is this different in substance?

If you truly, honestly believe that, then you are an unabashed partisan shill. (Don't tell me, you also believe the Mueller investigation totally exonerated Trump, right? After all, he said it did.)

It totally exonerated him of the charge of collusion with Russia.

Don't tell me that even one of the supposed obstruction charges holds a thimble of water.

My friend wrote this and called it correctly. Trump the joke

Irrelevant.

You are the one bringing Trump into this. He must live rent-free in your mind.

Sure blame Biden for the inflationary environment, because it's convenient for you to do so. But, as I called back in Oct 2020 everything Trump was doing led us to this exact moment. I also predicted his policy would result in America looking like his Taj Mahal. 1). Massive tax cuts for 1% and large corporates 2). Printed 22% of all money in circulation in 2020 3). Failed TRADE WAR - remember that? Who's paying for the tariffs now? Maybe why we can't make chips either? 4). Publically pressured/bullied the FED to not raise interest rates back in 2019, which they should have been raised by at .50. But, sure it's Biden's fault.

You are also the one saying all of this.

The premise is that the Democrats won the midterm election. What next?

Not having to worry about authoritarian tidal waves of fascism sweeping over society is a bit of a relief.

I wasn't losing sleep. The fascists are fringe at worst and totally opposed to MAGA in any event.

I do expect Vlad and his US counterparts in the GQP are cooking up some brand new shiny CT to dispense...maybe something about gay whales teaching their baby whales to use litterboxes for Satan because Demoncrats ate children and the whales picked the dumped bones clean and got infected with communism.

You are pretty good at cooking CT yourself.

Whatcha got?

“Blah, Dems didn’t really kick our asses,

That's actually true, so what is your point?

blah, no biggy, blah, blah”. You’re a broken, boring record.

You really are though the reference is very dated.

The Trumplican Party hit a big blue wall of Americans rejecting Trumpism, and those supporting it.

So you do support the Wall.

* You may want to reconsider giving any credence to the right wing polling group, RCP, next time around.

If you think RCP is a right-wing polling group you need to re-examine your sources.

I relied more on 538. Even Nate Silver was getting caught in the expectation of a red wave.

 

[Cork]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

Read the whole thread. Seems genuine but a lot of Democrats don't want to engage in the discussion and want to take pot shots so I'll join.

Im not gonna get it into with the Trump impeachment because it was warranted in my opinion but that's off topic.

I want Congress to re write asylum and immigration law. Make it easier for migrant to have a path to come to America and make asylum seeker a bit harder. Right wing media needs to take responsibility and stop spewing that rhetoric that the border is open. Thats a major factor on why these people are making that journey, they are buying into that narrative.

Second I would like them to address tax loopholes too. I agree with Donny when he said it I just didn't believe he'll get it done just because he was one of those people who took advantage of it. They need to do something about those loophole that these people who have massive amount of money are still taking advantage of.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

If you think RCP is a right-wing polling group you need to re-examine your sources.

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You were saying?

 

[Jay59]

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You were saying?

Thank you. You completely destroyed your own statement.

You said that 1) it was right-wing and 2) a polling group.

1) Your own source says that it is centrist with a lean to the right. For comparison, CNN is twice as far to the left.
2) RCP collects polls. They don't perform them so they are not a polling group.

Next time you want to embarrass yourself like this, let me know.

 

[US&THEM]

Isn't that exactly what Democrats have done?


It's not a talking point. It's just reality.

There is a reason both impeachments were tossed upon the reading of the charges.

You're a lawyer. You know 12 (b) (6) motions and what they connote. How is this different in substance?


It totally exonerated him of the charge of collusion with Russia.

Don't tell me that even one of the supposed obstruction charges holds a thimble of water.


Irrelevant.

You are the one bringing Trump into this. He must live rent-free in your mind.


You are also the one saying all of this.

The premise is that the Democrats won the midterm election. What next?


I wasn't losing sleep. The fascists are fringe at worst and totally opposed to MAGA in any event.


You are pretty good at cooking CT yourself.

Whatcha got?


That's actually true, so what is your point?


You really are though the reference is very dated.


So you do support the Wall.


If you think RCP is a right-wing polling group you need to re-examine your sources.

I relied more on 538. Even Nate Silver was getting caught in the expectation of a red wave.

Nothing is irrelevant when it comes to ideology, you have always minimize and give way to much credit for the people you like. The Democrats should have been crushed but facts a d Trump won out.

 

[Jay59]

Read the whole thread. Seems genuine but a lot of Democrats don't want to engage in the discussion and want to take pot shots so I'll join.

Im not gonna get it into with the Trump impeachment because it was warranted in my opinion but that's off topic.

I want Congress to re write asylum and immigration law. Make it easier for migrant to have a path to come to America and make asylum seeker a bit harder. Right wing media needs to take responsibility and stop spewing that rhetoric that the border is open. Thats a major factor on why these people are making that journey, they are buying into that narrative.

Second I would like them to address tax loopholes too. I agree with Donny when he said it I just didn't believe he'll get it done just because he was one of those people who took advantage of it. They need to do something about those loophole that these people who have massive amount of money are still taking advantage of.

Thanks for giving a reasoned response.

I always hesitate when I see references to right-wing media. Where is this mythical Beast? I agree that someone is telling people in other parts of the world that USA is letting everyone in. Blaming Tucker Carlson seems pretty lame.

Asylum law is definitely problematic. A great deal of the law is in enforcement. The Trump administration had developed court-tested methods of preventing border crossings prior to the asylum hearing. In other words, the law can be made to work.

 

[Cork]

Thanks for giving a reasoned response.

I always hesitate when I see references to right-wing media. Where is this mythical Beast? I agree that someone is telling people in other parts of the world that USA is letting everyone in. Blaming Tucker Carlson seems pretty lame.

Asylum law is definitely problematic. A great deal of the law is in enforcement. The Trump administration had developed court-tested methods of preventing border crossings prior to the asylum hearing. In other words, the law can be made to work.

They didn't develop any method dealing with asylum seekers and that is bulk of the problem. If they did I would like you to show me a link they did something then this current administration took it away.

Blaming misinformation isn't lame it's the right answer on why so many people are making that journey.

On air personality put it out on the air then it circulates and people are misinformed because they don't know better.

I can show a video on how fox news use to control our former president thoughts and decision on what to rant about and what he would focus on.

 

[jonny5]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

If they won, why isnt there a working margin? They had one before, now they dont. Isnt that a loss?

What do we do next? We blame the Republican House for everything until the next election, of course. And fear monger about Trump or DeSantis winning the next election.

 

[independentusa]

If they win the House I will concede the big win for the Democrats. In no way is it a lie as it is now.

Let's not pretend this was a blue wave. Take the W and go on to the next round.


Witch hunt.

Yes. 75 unarmed people are not an insurrection.

You must have thick skin because endless investigations are the main embarrassment. No reasonable person can believe that there was an attempt to overthrow the government.

I guess you did not watch the January 6th Committee hearing on TV or you would not think there was no such attempt to overturn the election, not the government. They were not trying to make Trump a dictator, they were trying to find ways to have him "win" the 2020 election. This attempt seemed to be either have the votes changed in swing states or to have alternative electors go to Washington. And of course there were hundreds of people if not a thousand thaat went into the capital to try and stop the electoral count. Where did yo get the number of 75 unarmed people. By the way, there were armed protestors and they admitted that.

 

[Jay59]

If they won, why isnt there a working margin?

All the margins will be paper thin, which means that any defection will be significant.

No room for error is the definition of no working margin.

They had one before, now they dont. Isnt that a loss?

Who had one before? The Democrats had control of the Senate only because of the tie breaker.

Not losing control is a win.

What do we do next? We blame the Republican House for everything until the next election, of course. And fear monger about Trump or DeSantis winning the next election.

It has been done before with limited effect. Obama was good at it. We will see if Biden can do as well.

I guess you did not watch the January 6th Committee hearing on TV or you would not think there was no such attempt to overturn the election, not the government. They were not trying to make Trump a dictator, they were trying to find ways to have him "win" the 2020 election. This attempt seemed to be either have the votes changed in swing states or to have alternative electors go to Washington. And of course there were hundreds of people if not a thousand thaat went into the capital to try and stop the electoral count.

No reasonable person can conclude that the events in the Capital building constituted an attempt to overthrow the government.

Where did yo get the number of 75 unarmed people.

That was the number of people actually in the Capital on 6 January 2021.

By the way, there were armed protestors and they admitted that.

Not with firearms.

The courts have it right. It was an attempt to interfere with official business. That's a felony but it isn't insurrection.

 

[Blue Dog]

Not a lot is going to get accomplished in the next two years.

Hopefully inflation will not be a factor going into 2024…

 

[jonny5]

Not losing control is a win.

But they did lose control...

 

[Jay59]

But they did lose control...

Only of the House, assuming Republicans win six more seats.

The irony is that Republicans will take the House based on seats they flipped in New York and California.

 

[Rawley]

So, what do we do next?

Congressional oversight. Much needed.

 

[Channe79]

Still up in the air, don't start counting those chickens yet.

Republicans Appear on Track to Take the House (Published 2022)

Democrats are falling short of their targets in key races in California and Arizona.

www.nytimes.com