So, the Democrats Won. What Now?

[Gateman_Wen]

Simple, move away from MAGA and get back to the people. MAGA got CRUSHED this week, should be clear enough what needs to happen.

It's not gonna happen.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Dude the cries about how the dems are killing america didn't work and yet here you are starting off the next election cycle repeating the same doom and gloom if the dems win.

Get a new schtick.

And maybe a clue.

 

[Eriech]

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More idiocy...

No, I was politely and constructively pointing out yours.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

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No, I was politely and constructively pointing out yours.

You're automatically disqualified to do that as a Trump supporter.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Has no one been here been keeping up with the long ass list of Biden accomplishments? I mean really? This is a political message board.

Some 70ish federal judges, the semiconductor act, the burn pit thing, a supreme court pick, Violence against women act, medicare price caps and drug negotiation, infrastructure week actually happened and resulted in a bill, Inflation reduction act, historically low unemployment, kept the world wide inflation problem to a lower rate here than in most the rest of the world, gun control bill, minimum tax on corporations... I'm sure there's more but that's off the top of my head.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Some 70ish federal judges, the semiconductor act, the burn pit thing, a supreme court pick, Violence against women act, medicare price caps and drug negotiation, infrastructure week actually happened and resulted in a bill, Inflation reduction act, historically low unemployment, kept the world wide inflation problem to a lower rate here than in most the rest of the world, gun control bill, minimum tax on corporations... I'm sure there's more but that's off the top of my head.

How about Americans who will now get electricity, clean water and the Internet FOR THE FIRST TIME.

I mean, that's just HUGE stuff.

 

[Cameron]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

Whether inflation stems from pandemic/war-related supply chain issues or 2020 stimulus, it should resolve itself over the next two years as the world adjusts to Russia's new pariah status and the effects of the stimulus wear off. I don't think a lack of legislation will prevent that.

The GOP House will have two choices: focus on Hunter Biden investigations and dumb Biden impeachment proceedings, or rediscover the Tea Party and pretend to care once again about spending and the debt. I don't think either is going to come off well. But they will feel the need to be obstructionist because collaborating with Biden would be a win for Dems.

 

[US&THEM]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

Your post encapsulates the GOP perfectly. Victims crying about what could have been. If this if that, you even try to minimize this embarrassment of election results.
The fringe speaks loudest for the GOP, it doesn’t work.

 

[Razoo]

Let's keep this in mind :

14th Amendment Section 3.​

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States .......

"shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

 

[Jay59]

I don’t share your hunch (optimism?) that “spending cap” legislation will become more likely. If anything, more pork will likely be accepted (needed?) to gain ‘bipartisan’ support.

That's the history of spending caps. The potential shutdown has been the only thing that will force the two sdes to the table.

As for what is next (as in 2025?), that remains to be seen.

I mean for 2023 since the prospect of legislation is poor

Dude the cries about how the dems are killing america didn't work

that was not me. I said that Biden's people have mismanaged things but only made bad matters worse.

and yet here you are starting off the next election cycle repeating the same doom and gloom if the dems win.

This has nothing to do with Democrats and I said so. 2024 is an election year and I am saying that Democrats should have an improving economy.

Try reading the posts and stop jumping to conclusions.

Get a new schtick.

Good advice. Take it.

I wouldn't rule out any new legislation.

Both sides need to be willing to participate. What issues are like that?

The GOP majority will be so small that getting a few moderate Republicans to vote with the Dems on popular legislation won't be that hard.

Again, what sort of legislation is popular in that sense?

The last such bill that I am aware of is the GAOA and most people have no clue what it is. The only really significant, nonfinancial, bipartisan bill of the last decade is FIRST STEP.

Getting it to the floor will be the trick but the GOP must show they can govern and not just spend their time on useless investigations if they want to do well in 2024.

Not in this case. That onus falls on the White House as it usually does.

Your post encapsulates the GOP perfectly. Victims crying about what could have been. If this if that, you even try to minimize this embarrassment of election results.
The fringe speaks loudest for the GOP, it doesn’t work.

Your reading skills are as poor as bongsaway

Try reading the post for what it says rather than feeding your assumptions.

 

[Callen]

Both sides need to be willing to participate. What issues are like that?

Depends on how serious the GOP is about solving problems of concern to the American people. A good example would be fixing the amnesty laws. I realize comprehensive immigration reform is a bridge too far but changing the amnesty rules should be an easy one. Funding the government, and debt ceiling are both things that Congress must deal with legislatively.

Not in this case. That onus falls on the White House as it usually does.

Governing does not fall to the WH it is a core responsibility of Congress. Congress sets the rules and controls the purse. The Administration implements what Congress legislates.

 

[Jay59]

Depends on how serious the GOP is about solving problems of concern to the American people.

You may be sure that Republicans are interested in solving the concerns of the people.

However, there is sharp disagreement about what those concerns are.

A good example would be fixing the amnesty laws. I realize comprehensive immigration reform is a bridge too far but changing the amnesty rules should be an easy one.

Indeed, focusing on one element at a time is the Republicans preferred approach. Democrats are the ones who like huge omnibus bills that try to attack everything at once.

That said, Republicans have the very reasonable position that the first order of business is to secure the border. Until that is done why even talk about afterward?

Funding the government, and debt ceiling are both things that Congress must deal with legislatively.

Historically it's the only thing that can get them to meet and talk.

Governing does not fall to the WH it is a core responsibility of Congress. Congress sets the rules and controls the purse. The Administration implements what Congress legislates.

As an abstract theory, you have a point. In practical politics, it falls on the President.

 

[jnug]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

And what exactly do you think this "clear win" for the GOP will yield?

Here I will save you the time and the effort. Its going to be a carnival of freaks. They will have just enough of a majority to prove to the country what a bunch of fools, goons and assholes they are. They will slice and dice each other endlessly accomplishing NOTHING. Its already started. They don't even have the House yet and the powerful Freedom Caucus wants to pass a rule for the next Congress that would amount to a "vote of confidence" allowing them to simply toss out the Speaker whenever they wanted to just based on a vote of House members. How does that grab you.

Of course they will bring back the Hastert Rule which was actually a creation of Newt Gingrich. Also known as majority of the majority rule an utter abomination for the House it means that no bill can come to the floor unless a majority of the GOP House caucus votes to bring it to the floor.

This and they don't even have the House yet. For clowns that think all of these Impeachments are going to happen.....THINK AGAIN.

 

[Callen]

That said, Republicans have the very reasonable position that the first order of business is to secure the border. Until that is done why even talk about afterward?

The biggest problem at the border is amnesty seekers. You don't need a contentious, never going to fly, wall for that you need a simple piece of legislation. The GOP will go for the Wall knowing it goes nowhere. That's not governing its posturing.

 

[Buckeyes85]

You may be sure that Republicans are interested in solving the concerns of the people.

However, there is sharp disagreement about what those concerns are.

Republicans want to address immigration which is a legit issue of concern.

Beyond that, the only things the republicans appear to be focused on are: impeaching Biden, ensuring Biden passes no legislation regardless of what it is, shutting down the J6 investigation and absolving Trump/protecting him any way they can, and hunter Biden's laptop. Sprinkle that with some talk of election reform to fix voting issues that don't exist.

Where the disconnect lies in the validity of these concerns was answered by the American people last Tuesday. We shall see if the republicans in congress got the message.

 

[less right]

Has no one been here been keeping up with the long ass list of Biden accomplishments? I mean really? This is a political message board.

The only thing they forget faster are Trump's transgressions.

 

[jnug]

The biggest problem at the border is amnesty seekers. You don't need a contetious, never going to fly, wall for that you need a simple piece of legislation. The GOP will go for the Wall knowing it goes nowhere. That's not governing it's posturing.

Well its asylum they seek, not amnesty but I get your point.

It's the exact point I have ben making FOREVER which is the same amount of time that the GOP has offered NOTHING workable even when they had House, Senate and Presidency. All they do is whine.

 

[Galactic Spin]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

What now? 2 years of global embarrassment, as the republican house once again embarrasses our country by doing nothing but holding witch hunts against their betters.

 

[Jay59]

And what exactly do you think this "clear win" for the GOP will yield?

It's a clear win for the Democrats. Try reading closer.

Republicans have control of the Speaker's seat and not much else.

Here I will save you the time and the effort. Its going to be a carnival of freaks. They will have just enough of a majority to prove to the country what a bunch of fools, goons and assholes they are. They will slice and dice each other endlessly accomplishing NOTHING. Its already started. They don't even have the House yet and the powerful Freedom Caucus wants to pass a rule for the next Congress that would amount to a "vote of confidence" allowing them to simply toss out the Speaker whenever they wanted to just based on a vote of House members. How does that grab you.

Of course they will bring back the Hastert Rule which was actually a creation of Newt Gingrich. Also known as majority of the majority rule an utter abomination for the House it means that no bill can come to the floor unless a majority of the GOP House caucus votes to bring it to the floor.

Don't hold back. tell us how you really feel.

This and they don't even have the House yet. For clowns that think all of these Impeachments are going to happen.....THINK AGAIN.

Democrats impeached when there was no crime, so there is precedence.

The biggest problem at the border is amnesty seekers. You don't need a contentious, never going to fly, wall for that you need a simple piece of legislation. The GOP will go for the Wall knowing it goes nowhere. That's not governing its posturing.

Ah. You mean asylum seekers. That makes more sense. Amnesty means forgiveness for an offense.

The wall is more than half complete and it's a force multiplier and extremely useful against smuggling.

Legislation is routinely ignored so I have no faith a new law will change anything materially.

Republicans want to address immigration which is a legit issue of concern.

See comment about. See also the many gun laws that have had minimal real effect and the push for one more law following every headline.

Beyond that, the only things the republicans appear to be focused on are: impeaching Biden, ensuring Biden passes no legislation regardless of what it is, shutting down the J6 investigation and absolving Trump/protecting him any way they can, and hunter Biden's laptop. Sprinkle that with some talk of election reform to fix voting issues that don't exist.

Impeachment is a talking point. Democrats did it with zero justification so why wouldn't they?

Where the disconnect lies in the validity of these concerns was answered by the American people last Tuesday. We shall see if the republicans in congress got the message.

I was also asking what Democrats will do next without the 6 January dog and pony show.

What now? 2 years iof global embarrassment, as the republican house once again embarrasses our country by doing nothing but holding witch hunts against their betters.

Like the Democrats had a witch hunt over 6 January.

I do not care to think that either party is better. That you do shows prejudice.

 

[Callen]

You mean asylum seekers. That makes more sense. Amnesty means forgiveness for an offense.

The wall is more than half complete and it's a force multiplier and extremely useful against smuggling.

Legislation is routinely ignored so I have no faith a new law will change anything materially.

Yes, thanks for pointing out my mistake. I meant asylum seekers which is the larger problem given they are by law allowed to stay. Simple legislation to allow asylum seekers to apply outside of the country would go a long way to managing that. DeSantis free flyers were all asylum seekers.

 

[Citizen]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

Q You mentioned that Americans are frustrated. And, in fact, 75 percent of voters say the country is heading in the wrong direction, despite the results of last night. What in the next two years do you intend to do differently to change people’s opinion of the direction of the country, particularly as you contemplate a run for President in 2024?

THE PRESIDENT: Nothing, because they’re just finding out what we’re doing. The more they know about what we’re doing, the more support there is.

Do you know anybody who wants us to get rid of the change we made on prescription drug prices and raise prices again? Do you know anybody who wants us to walk away from building those roads and bridges and — and the Internet and so on? I don’t — I don’t know any- —

I think that the problem is the major piece of legislation we passed — and some of it bipartisan — takes time to be recognized

Remarks by President Biden in Press Conference | The White House

State Dining Room (November 9, 2022) 4:15 P.M. EST THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Well, we had an election yesterday. (Laughter.)

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, …

No reason to read past this ridiculous lie ^.

* The House hasn’t been decided yet, but you go ahead and hang onto your hopes.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

(If the Republicans take the House, which is still far from certain.)

America gets a two year reminder of what Republicans with any power in Washington looks like. Given the current makeup of the House Republican Caucus, that is an absolute disaster. I see them struggling to pass any legislation on to the Senate whatsoever.

Supply issues that have caused a strain on the economy as we move beyond the pandemic will make the economy less of a drag for Democrats. Rejection of bodily autonomy continues to be a major blow to the Republicans.

The Republican Civil War to see who controls the party going forward should be entertaining though. It's difficult to see a unified front suddenly forming again though.

Now that the majority of Americans have again made clear our complete rejection of Trumpism, and all of it’s associated lunacy, Republicans should take advantage of their second chance to publicly pull away from Trump.

Leave the minority idiots and nut jobs like MTG, Boebert, Jordan, and others to their self destructive political demise, and start working together with the Dems to repair damaged relationships, and move America forward.

Yeah, I know. Way too much to hope for.

 

[iguanaman]

Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?

Gloom and doom are contagious. If you read the reports our "recession" was just a pull back in corporate ordering to compensate for the overbuying that grew the GDP at a record pace in previous quarters. You should know this by the fact that most normal recessions have layoffs of workers not record levels of employment. I believe most inflation is behind us and even corporate greed has it limits. The dollar is the strongest it has been in 20 years and the biggest danger our economy has now is the Freedom Caucus who are planning another default on our obligations next year when the debt limit needs to be raised.

 

[US&THEM]

It's a clear win for the Democrats. Try reading closer.

Republicans have control of the Speaker's seat and not much else.


Don't hold back. tell us how you really feel.


Democrats impeached when there was no crime, so there is precedence.


Ah. You mean asylum seekers. That makes more sense. Amnesty means forgiveness for an offense.

The wall is more than half complete and it's a force multiplier and extremely useful against smuggling.

Legislation is routinely ignored so I have no faith a new law will change anything materially.


See comment about. See also the many gun laws that have had minimal real effect and the push for one more law following every headline.


Impeachment is a talking point. Democrats did it with zero justification so why wouldn't they?


I was also asking what Democrats will do next without the 6 January dog and pony show.


Like the Democrats had a witch hunt over 6 January.

I do not care to think that either party is better. That you do shows prejudice.

Jan 6 is a Democrat with hunt? Just stop, Jan 6 was a global embarrassment lead by your idol.