Read the thread title. Please answer my question.
No they don't. They were sold to foreign countries. The American citizen paid for them initially and the government recouped the money by selling them off. They do not belong to you.
And you accuse me of a straw man. :roll:
I'm simply replying to the topic of the thread, which is the position taken that these two executive actions are Obama going after our/your guns. The only person trying to reframe the debate here is you. Don't blame me that I do not allow you to shift the debate to some place it was not originally stated.
The fact they don't belong to Americans, they belong to foreign governments. This executive order says the government will deny requests of private entities from purchasing the guns from the foreign government and bringing them back to America to sell.
An amusing statement from someone who STILL won't answer my simple question. I'll give it to you again, that way I can laugh as you dance around it once more.
Fine, sold or donated. Either way, possession does not belong to the American citizen. Way to focus on the irrelevant portion.
Ahh, but the thread title clearly does. So when I asked you how it does, I'm asking you to directly discuss the thread topic.
Says the person who is whining about having to answer a question directly related to the thread topic. :roll:
Actually, he's not. He's obstructing the ability of private entities from purchasing guns from foreign government and importing them into this country. It's a subtle difference and one I'm sure you have no interest in understanding.
No he's not.
Again, says the person who is whining about having to answer a question directly related to the thread topic. In fact, you still have not answered my question definitively. Feel free to say "these executive actions are not going after our guns", if you'd like, I would accept that as an answer as well. Here's the question again, if you do not remember it.
Because I do things other than camp out in the gun control forum to pounce on other posters with words I don't understand the meanings of? You should try it some time.
Ahh, I see you, once again, did not respond and instead have opted for empty rhetoric. It seems as if it's the only thing you rely on anymore.
Why are you so opposed to answering my question? I'll ask you again.
I don't have to, I'm attacking the position these executive orders are going after our/your guns. The debate in this thread, as set forth by the thread of the topic, is "Obama is not after our guns?". That's what I'm arguing. Will you ever quit trying to bring in irrelevant material to the discussion?
No, you have not answered the question, and I find it hilarious you think a question directly related to the topic of the thread is moronic. Saying that you did not say this was going after guns is not an answer to my question, it is an answer to a question I did not ask. Please answer my question.
Okay, so then can we both agree these executive orders are within the power of the government (not that you've claimed it's not, just clarifying). Furthermore, would you now agree my use of the word "normally" was not inaccurate, since it appears the only way many of these weapons can be purchased are through this program, either directly or indirectly?
Considering the CMP program traces its roots back to 1903, I somehow doubt that.
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I admit I don't know much about the program, just merely what I've read there and elsewhere.
Not really. For example, it could mean that with the massive proliferation of firearms in the country over the last several decades, it's no longer necessary for the government to keep allowing private companies to import weapons from foreign countries. Or, better yet, it could mean our training methods have improved vastly over the years, to go along with the advances in gun technology.
I've answered many questions. But before I can answer this one, I'd like to know specifically what guns are re-imported into this country by private entities. Obviously certain guns valued by collectors seem to be on the list, but what other firearms are on the list? If you could provide me a complete list of firearms which have been re-imported (apparently since 2005, there have been 250,000), I could answer this question in a much more knowledgeable fashion. I have looked for a complete list, but have been unable to find one.
A question directly related to the thread is not a moronic question.
So then you agree the premise of this thread is wrong, correct? This is not about going after guns.
As I said before, no it is not. It is preventing private entities from importing guns purchased from foreign governments.
A question directly related to the thread is not moronic, no matter how many times you throw the insult around.
Who says you cannot? This executive action certainly doesn't.
Says the person who thinks a question directly related to the thread is a straw man. Then again, I think it's pretty clear you didn't even know what that term meant, so maybe I'll cut you some slack on this.
My apologies, I suppose I missed it when I was busy laughing at you for your lack of understanding of fallacies, as well as the irony in you accusing me of engaging in a straw man fallacy for asking an on-topic question while simultaneously trying to divert the thread to a completely different topic.
No, it impacts the "private entities" who want to purchase the guns from foreign governments and import them here.
You would have to ask him for his reasoning, all I can do is post the words directly related to it:
The feeling I get is you hate the fact I constantly prove you wrong. I've already shared with you exactly how I feel about gun control, so for you to continue going around telling your lies is indicative of your obsession on this topic. I'm not sure if I've ever seen anyone more obsessed with an inanimate object than you. You use words you clearly don't understand the meaning of and then just go around casting blanket insults at everyone who dares to present logic and facts in the face of your illogical empty rhetoric.
And once more, you avoid real discussion and instead post empty rhetoric and insults. The fact is these executive orders have nothing to do with going after guns. You already have agreed.
It's just the "The greatest battle implement ever devised."
