So lefties want socialism because everybody would be in the same wealth class....

[eohrnberger]

Strict environmental laws.

Strict, and seriously flawed, ill-though out, environmental laws, I'd add. Typical leftist 'feel good' legislation (never mind it's impact and results).

 

[weaver2]

You obviously don't understand the definition of socialism. Socialism and communism are not the same thing. Only for ignorant unread unsophisticated Repug goobers is that true.

The logging companies used to take care of it, (federal and state woodlands) and still made a profit.

Lutherf: "Yes. Stalin's summer dacha was also quite impressive."

D. Trump: "They should have been raking up all the leaves in the forest"

looks like it's official. Conservatives and their dear leader don't understand socialism, communism, Scandinavian government,US government, the housing market, wealth and forestry.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Bull****. Show us the evidence. Trump has obliterated the EPA since he has been president. I thought Bush was bad, Trump is Big Oil's and Big Coal's wet dream.

There is simply no environmental regulations that Trump would not gleefully wipe his ass with.

The only things to my knowledge he "obliterated" regarding the environmental regulations, were those that had recently taken effect, or haven't yet, from the Obama administration. You just don't understand how harmful these would have been to the average person had they taken effect. Do you?

I have been a citizen of Oregon all my life. I remember the 60's when logging was this states primary economy. I saw the devastation the stupid environmental regulations did, in the name of one cause or another.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Strict, and seriously flawed, ill-though out, environmental laws, I'd add. Typical leftist 'feel good' legislation (never mind it's impact and results).

We used to have engineered firebreaks, as the timber was harvested.

No such thing any more.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

The only things to my knowledge he "obliterated" regarding the environmental regulations, were those that had recently taken effect, or haven't yet, from the Obama administration. You just don't understand how harmful these would have been to the average person had they taken effect. Do you?

I have been a citizen of Oregon all my life. I remember the 60's when logging was this states primary economy. I saw the devastation the stupid environmental regulations did, in the name of one cause or another.

So I guess you've heard absolutely nothing about Trump's efforts to weaken the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts? That's right, Trump wants to take years off of YOUR life and YOUR family's life. But it matters not, you will still vote for the corrupt **** like a sucker. Your hatred of liberals and "sticking it" to liberals is much more important to you than your own health. How truly pitiful.

No, I completely don't understand your blather about the new, "harmful" environmental laws that you are pulling out of your ass. Please explain them to me.

 

[Lord of Planar]

So I guess you've heard absolutely nothing about Trump's efforts to weaken the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts? That's right, Trump wants to take years off of YOUR life and YOUR family's life. But it matters not, you will still vote for the corrupt **** like a sucker. Your hatred of liberals and "sticking it" to liberals is much more important to you than your own health. How truly pitiful.

No, I completely don't understand your blather about the new, "harmful" environmental laws that you are pulling out of your ass. Please explain them to me.

No he doesn't.

All you have is propaganda. No hard facts.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

No he doesn't.

All you have is propaganda. No hard facts.

You were the one who first talked about environmental laws being responsible for what's happening out West. Bull****. Put up or shut up.

 

[eohrnberger]

We used to have engineered firebreaks, as the timber was harvested.

No such thing any more.

Firebreaks would keep these fires from exploding into the thousands of acre fires, but aww shucks, that would require cutting down trees, after all.

Wildfires Will Become Worse Thanks To Decades-Old Liberal Policies, Says Fire Expert Who Predicted Uptick In Blazes
Wildfires Will Become Worse Thanks To Decades-Old Liberal Policies, Says Fire Expert Who Predicted Uptick In Blazes | The Daily Caller

• Former President Bill Clinton’s land management rules and other liberal policies paved the way for future debilitating wildfires, fire expert Bob Zybach told the Daily Caller News Foundation.
• Zybach warned of potential disastrous wildfires shortly after Clinton signed a slate of rules in the mid-1990s that drastically reduced logging and road creation on federal lands.
• Zybach’s comments come as California, Oregon, and parts of Washington deal with catastrophic wildfires that have killed 26 people and destroyed buildings.

 

[veritas1]

Do you have any idea how many acres you're talking about? 45,000,000 acres of federal land alone, in California. State owned land, who knows. Oregon and Washington? I can't be arsed to look it up. You guys back east talk like it's maintaining parkland. It would be an army of workers. Care to try to guess how many people it would take to do what you say should be done in the federal land in California?
Listen. It's a go-to. It won't fly. There's no negligence on anyone's part. Except maybe the buffoon in the White House who displays his ignorance by saying California should have been raking and pruning millions of acres. You're right that fires will happen. And they'll happen more as the bush gets dryer and the fire season gets longer. Your boy Trump might be exciting his fan base talking about "forest management" but anyone who lives west of the mountains facepalms at the suggestion. Sheer stupidity.

Even if we agreed that nothing can be done, that makes all the whining about Trump that much more pathetic. The people who think this is due to climate change need to ask themselves what Obama/Biden did to slow it. They did nothing. Biden continues to jet around spewing carbon as does Pelosi, Sanders and so many other hypocrites. Obama bought a $15M mansion right on the ocean. That tells you that he knows the climate change hysteria and "rising oceans" panic is so much silly BS. As usual with these guys, it's do as I say NOT as I do.

 

[weaver2]

Even if we agreed that nothing can be done, that makes all the whining about Trump that much more pathetic. The people who think this is due to climate change need to ask themselves what Obama/Biden did to slow it. They did nothing. Biden continues to jet around spewing carbon as does Pelosi, Sanders and so many other hypocrites. Obama bought a $15M mansion right on the ocean. That tells you that he knows the climate change hysteria and "rising oceans" panic is so much silly BS. As usual with these guys, it's do as I say NOT as I do.

So Republicans are taking the stage coach, living in log cabins. :lamo

 

[veritas1]

So Republicans are taking the stage coach, living in log cabins. :lamo

Why would we? We know that climate change is a wealth transfer scam and a ploy for the left to gain ever more power. It has zero to do with saving anything.

 

[weaver2]

Why would we? We know that climate change is a wealth transfer scam and a ploy for the left to gain ever more power. It has zero to do with saving anything.

How is climate change a wealth transfer scam and a way to gain power? If it is it doesn't seem to be working.

 

[Lord of Planar]

No he doesn't.

All you have is propaganda. No hard facts.

I have lived here all my life and seen the changes over the decades. You can claim otherwise, and not be able to prove it. I just don't need to verify for myself, and I don't give a damn if you don't do your own homework.

It is you who has the propaganda point of view.

 

[ClaraD]

It seems to me that lots of people on the right have been brainwashed to believe what their leaders have told them about the boogy man and that socialism and communism are the same thing. First of all Democrats aren't Marxist or Communist or anything of the like. Does the US have socialist programs? Of course we do...and a good portion of Righties engage in those programs daily.

Here is what I said to a Cuban that lives in the US recently...

To the Cuban Americans that say that the Democrats are Communists, I want to ask you this: Why then did we not have Communism with Franklin Delano Roosevelt, he gave us Social Security(whoever does not like it because it is communism, well turn in your social security card then and don't get any social security benefits.) and the Housing Act, Section 8 Get off of those plans and low income assistance, because that is psst socialism...or as you want to classify it Communism, Pay your expensive rents and home prices in Miami. We also didn't have communism with Kennedy/Johnson, who gave us Medicare and the Equal Rights Act, (go ahead, throw away your Medicare card since you think it is communism....live what you preach) And above all and most importantly, the Wet foot dry foot policy...throw away your legal documents that were freely given to you for no reason at all other than you jumped on a raft and came over, because that is communism. We didn't have communism with Clinton, who was able to command the economic situation into a success. With Obama/Biden, we didn't have communism and they brought us out of a very difficult economic crisis. Remember the schools, roads, hospitals, police, ambulances and public transportation also are communism, be responsible and happy with your ideas, if you can.

 

[Lord of Planar]

It seems to me that lots of people on the right have been brainwashed to believe what their leaders have told them about the boogy man and that socialism and communism are the same thing. First of all Democrats aren't Marxist or Communist or anything of the like. Does the US have socialist programs? Of course we do...and a good portion of Righties engage in those programs daily.

Here is what I said to a Cuban that lives in the US recently...

To the Cuban Americans that say that the Democrats are Communists, I want to ask you this: Why then did we not have Communism with Franklin Delano Roosevelt, he gave us Social Security(whoever does not like it because it is communism, well turn in your social security card then and don't get any social security benefits.) and the Housing Act, Section 8 Get off of those plans and low income assistance, because that is psst socialism...or as you want to classify it Communism, Pay your expensive rents and home prices in Miami. We also didn't have communism with Kennedy/Johnson, who gave us Medicare and the Equal Rights Act, (go ahead, throw away your Medicare card since you think it is communism....live what you preach) And above all and most importantly, the Wet foot dry foot policy...throw away your legal documents that were freely given to you for no reason at all other than you jumped on a raft and came over, because that is communism. We didn't have communism with Clinton, who was able to command the economic situation into a success. With Obama/Biden, we didn't have communism and they brought us out of a very difficult economic crisis. Remember the schools, roads, hospitals, police, ambulances and public transportation also are communism, be responsible and happy with your ideas, if you can.

There is a vast difference between providing social programs and wanting to socialize almost everything.

 

[Daddyo]

I keep hearing that argument and, frankly, it's at a point where we're talking about a distinction without a difference. If the role of government is to be the regulation of business to such an extent that the owners have little to no autonomy in the decision making and then to tax business profits to an extent that the owners have little to no economic benefit then that is de facto government ownership. It's the equivalent of sitting in the back seat of the family car on a road trip to Chicago with your finger half an inch from your brother's nose and boldly proclaiming that you're not touching him.

Excellent and exactly correct!

We didn't call Bernie Sanders a socialist. He calls himself a socialist. We didn't honeymoon in Russia, Bernie did. Finally we didn't sign a pact agreeing to push Bernie Sanders agenda JOE BIDEN DID!

Just follow the chain and its easy.

 

[Daddyo]

No, you are REDEFINING a political term to fit your OWN Agenda. The fact is socialism is the government ownership of all businesses and NO Dem is advocating for that so you are LYING as usual. Corporations are making LOADS of profit even under Obama. So your redefining a term to fit your own agenda is a LIE. Why do you feel the need to LIE so much? You only show that your comments are nothing but dishonest garbage.

No matter how many times you highlight the word "lie", it doesn't change the fact that Joe signed a pact to push the agenda of an admitted socialist.

Are you calling Bernie a liar? Are you suggesting that Biden won't honor the pact he just signed? Its not hard to follow AND words & deeds do matter.

 

[Praxas]

No matter how many times you highlight the word "lie", it doesn't change the fact that Joe signed a pact to push the agenda of an admitted socialist.

Are you calling Bernie a liar? Are you suggesting that Biden won't honor the pact he just signed? Its not hard to follow AND words & deeds do matter.

Bernie isn’t even a socialist as democratic socialist does not equate to socialism as defined. Even Bernie doesn’t want the government to own all businesses so your lies are ignored as you don’t even understand what socialism is like most.

 

[snakestretcher]

.... Well then you guys then want EXTREME POVERTY for ALMOST EVERYONE who doesn't work for the government.

This is stupid. Who, exactly, is advocating for a socialist America?

 

[snakestretcher]

democrats want Marxism because they seek to undo the renaissance and enlightenment, returning to the state 99.9% in subsistence poverty, ruled over by a tiny elite who's word is law. To have absolute and unfettered rule is the goal of the left.

Liberty or slavery is our choice. democrats have sought to return slavery to America since they were defeated in the first civil war. Now they are just part of a greater Marxist whole that seeks to enslave all of mankind.

Undiluted rubbish, no doubt gleaned from Hannity and Rush. But here, right now, you have a chance to provide some evidence for your assertion-assuming you know what 'evidence' means. You think you're 'free' in Republican America? Try not paying your taxes and see how 'liberty' feels from inside a jail cell.

 

[ClaraD]

There is a vast difference between providing social programs and wanting to socialize almost everything.

nobody is wanting to socialize everything, but if you are against all socialism you need to live by that sword and die by it...

 

[aociswundumho]

Bernie isn’t even a socialist as democratic socialist does not equate to socialism as defined.

He used to all the time. He stopped around 20 years ago when he realized being a communist would hurt his political career. But he still does sometimes. Recently he called for nationalizing all utilities. He also recently called for national rent control.

Even Bernie doesn’t want the government to own all businesses so your lies are ignored as you don’t even understand what socialism is like most.

Doesn't have to be outright ownership, simply controlling private businesses accomplishes the exact same thing. If the state controls your business, then the state is the de facto owner.

 

[Praxas]

He used to all the time. He stopped around 20 years ago when he realized being a communist would hurt his political career. But he still does sometimes. Recently he called for nationalizing all utilities. He also recently called for national rent control.


Doesn't have to be outright ownership, simply controlling private businesses accomplishes the exact same thing. If the state controls your business, then the state is the de facto owner.

So which state OWNS Home Depot, McDonald's, Taco Bell, Amazon, etc. since you claim the state owns the businesses. Or are you just liying like you normally do? Oh yeah, you're just lying since you haven't a clue what socialism is either. Let us know when you get into high school and you'll learn more.

 

[ludin]

No Dem is calling for socialism. You guys need to learn what socialism is because the lot of you that say this is just ignorant on political systems. Tell me where Dems are advocating for Home Depot and McDonalds to all be owned by the government.

your comments are dismissed as LIES.

This is easy. Democrats demand that government tell Mcdonalds and home depot what to pay their employee's.
that is basically controlling home depot and mcdonalds.

In fact democrats demand government control of a lot of things everyday.
healthcare, education, businesses. etc ...

that is why they pass all of these draconian regulations.
They want to regulate how much money people can have (except for them of course).

 

[Praxas]

This is easy. Democrats demand that government tell Mcdonalds and home depot what to pay their employee's.
that is basically controlling home depot and mcdonalds.

In fact democrats demand government control of a lot of things everyday.
healthcare, education, businesses. etc ...

that is why they pass all of these draconian regulations.
They want to regulate how much money people can have (except for them of course).

What nonsense. Regulation is hardly ownership. Under socialism the CEO would have ZERO profits. You can lie all you want but you just shown you are CLUELESS about socialism and your comments are flat out RETARDED and IGNORANT. Trump supporters just continue to prove they are retarded idiots.