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So lefties want socialism because everybody would be in the same wealth class....

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That's what socialism is all about. The whole idea behind Socialism (Marxism in general) is that you always have to adjust society to accommodate the needs of the least affluent. Since the least affluent in every society are generally the ones that are least educated and least capable of employment the general method of accommodation is to lower expectations for everyone else. Eventually you get to a point where there are no longer any expectations for anyone EXCEPT those who are opposed to this type of accommodation. At that point everyone who has expectations that the least among us can, of their own volition, improve their lot in life, becomes the enemy of the appeasers.
 

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"Socialism" means government ownership of the means of production and nobody of account is advocating for it.

More stupid ass Trumpist blather. Boy, they sure do love shadowboxing with imagined straw men.




.... Well then you guys then want EXTREME POVERTY for ALMOST EVERYONE who doesn't work for the government.

You already farted on moronically about socialism here:

Was Jesus a socialist?
 

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.... Well then you guys then want EXTREME POVERTY for ALMOST EVERYONE who doesn't work for the government.

No Dem is calling for socialism. You guys need to learn what socialism is because the lot of you that say this is just ignorant on political systems. Tell me where Dems are advocating for Home Depot and McDonalds to all be owned by the government.

your comments are dismissed as LIES.
 

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That's what socialism is all about. The whole idea behind Socialism (Marxism in general) is that you always have to adjust society to accommodate the needs of the least affluent. Since the least affluent in every society are generally the ones that are least educated and least capable of employment the general method of accommodation is to lower expectations for everyone else. Eventually you get to a point where there are no longer any expectations for anyone EXCEPT those who are opposed to this type of accommodation. At that point everyone who has expectations that the least among us can, of their own volition, improve their lot in life, becomes the enemy of the appeasers.

So which Dem has advocated for ALL businesses to be OWNED by the government? Otherwise, like the OP, you are LYING and your comments are dismissed as such. Why do you feel the need to flat out LIE? Is it ignorance on your part or just an inane desire to LIE?
 

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The only people talking about socialism are Trumpsters, the Trump campaign and the right wing noise machine.
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Every four years, the same tropes get dug up and recycled in right wing media. it has been going on since the days of the Palmer Raids.
 

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So which Dem has advocated for ALL businesses to be OWNED by the government? Otherwise, like the OP, you are LYING and your comments are dismissed as such. Why do you feel the need to flat out LIE? Is it ignorance on your part or just an inane desire to LIE?

I keep hearing that argument and, frankly, it's at a point where we're talking about a distinction without a difference. If the role of government is to be the regulation of business to such an extent that the owners have little to no autonomy in the decision making and then to tax business profits to an extent that the owners have little to no economic benefit then that is de facto government ownership. It's the equivalent of sitting in the back seat of the family car on a road trip to Chicago with your finger half an inch from your brother's nose and boldly proclaiming that you're not touching him.
 

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I keep hearing that argument and, frankly, it's at a point where we're talking about a distinction without a difference. If the role of government is to be the regulation of business to such an extent that the owners have little to no autonomy in the decision making and then to tax business profits to an extent that the owners have little to no economic benefit then that is de facto government ownership. It's the equivalent of sitting in the back seat of the family car on a road trip to Chicago with your finger half an inch from your brother's nose and boldly proclaiming that you're not touching him.

No, you are REDEFINING a political term to fit your OWN Agenda. The fact is socialism is the government ownership of all businesses and NO Dem is advocating for that so you are LYING as usual. Corporations are making LOADS of profit even under Obama. So your redefining a term to fit your own agenda is a LIE. Why do you feel the need to LIE so much? You only show that your comments are nothing but dishonest garbage.
 

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.... Well then you guys then want EXTREME POVERTY for ALMOST EVERYONE who doesn't work for the government.

Yep.

Socialism is a form a slavery where the majority of the people work for the minority.

They just aren't called slaves.
 

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.... Well then you guys then want EXTREME POVERTY for ALMOST EVERYONE who doesn't work for the government.

The left wants socialism, the right wants fascism....tomayto, tomahto.
 

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.... Well then you guys then want EXTREME POVERTY for ALMOST EVERYONE who doesn't work for the government.

Only idiots think Socialism is defined as the government owning everything. Look up the Mondragon Corporation some time to see what real socialism would look like.
 

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I keep hearing that argument and, frankly, it's at a point where we're talking about a distinction without a difference. If the role of government is to be the regulation of business to such an extent that the owners have little to no autonomy in the decision making and then to tax business profits to an extent that the owners have little to no economic benefit then that is de facto government ownership. It's the equivalent of sitting in the back seat of the family car on a road trip to Chicago with your finger half an inch from your brother's nose and boldly proclaiming that you're not touching him.

"Little to no economic benefit"? Have you seem the massive profits the rich have been making?
 

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Yep.

Socialism is a form a slavery where the majority of the people work for the minority.

They just aren't called slaves.

Under capitalism, the 99% work for the 1%. But Capitalists will freak the **** out if you start talking about "wage slavery".
 

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No, you are REDEFINING a political term to fit your OWN Agenda. The fact is socialism is the government ownership of all businesses and NO Dem is advocating for that so you are LYING as usual.

No, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Ever hear of a mixed-economy? Even Lenin, who was the most hate-filled socialist who ever lived, allowed some capitalism in the USSR:

New Economic Policy - Wikipedia
 

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No, you are REDEFINING a political term to fit your OWN Agenda. The fact is socialism is the government ownership of all businesses and NO Dem is advocating for that so you are LYING as usual. Corporations are making LOADS of profit even under Obama. So your redefining a term to fit your own agenda is a LIE. Why do you feel the need to LIE so much? You only show that your comments are nothing but dishonest garbage.

Brother, we are right now going through a phase where government is taking an EXTREME regulatory stance with regard to privately owned businesses. On the Democrat side they are mandating shutdowns and insane operational standards. On the other side you've got Defense Production Act issues. You've got Democrats that have taken so much control of the energy industry in Caliifornia that they have to use rolling blackouts to ration electricity. You have local mayors handing over sections of their cities to violent criminals thus destroying privately owned businesses.

Anyway, what you're expressing is just the way that lefties look at individual rights in general. They tell us they are SUPPORTING the 2nd Amendment and just want to limit everything regarding who can own a firearm, under what circumstances they can possess it and what types can be owned. It's how they are the first to stand up for free speech as long as it's speech they approve of. It's how they want police restraint when dealing with street criminals but want instant convictions when they're dealing with a political opponent.
 

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"Little to no economic benefit"? Have you seem the massive profits the rich have been making?

In your world is there any distinction between economic benefit from passive investment and economic benefit from active engagement in a given business venture.

For what it's worth, it's rather easy to make a ton of money investing in the things your political buddies regulate and control.
 

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When did republicans get so ****ing stupid?

There’s literally no point in debating anything with them anymore. If they can’t even accept the meaning of basic political terms, it’s like trying to discuss physics with your dog.
 

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In your world is there any distinction between economic benefit from passive investment and economic benefit from active engagement in a given business venture.

For what it's worth, it's rather easy to make a ton of money investing in the things your political buddies regulate and control.

The only people who should be controlling anything of economic benefit should be the workers themselves. Are you really claiming no rich people are getting massively wealthy from active engagement in business ventures? Jeff Bezos is well on his way to being the world's first trillionaire based on that very thing.
 

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Only idiots think Socialism is defined as the government owning everything. Look up the Mondragon Corporation some time to see what real socialism would look like.

Isn't it interesting that the word socialism is not mentioned even one single time on its wikipedia page:

Mondragon Corporation - Wikipedia

Tell me, what is "socialist" about it? It's a worker-owned (NOT worker managed) for-profit corporation competing in a market economy.
 

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Isn't it interesting that the word socialism is not mentioned even one single time on its wikipedia page:

Mondragon Corporation - Wikipedia

Tell me, what is "socialist" about it? It's a worker-owned (NOT worker managed) for-profit corporation competing in a market economy.

"Worker owned" is the socialist part.

Socialism is the worker ownership of the means of production. The corporation is also composed of democratically-organized cooperatives.
 

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Brother, we are right now going through a phase where government is taking an EXTREME regulatory stance with regard to privately owned businesses. On the Democrat side they are mandating shutdowns and insane operational standards.
luf argues that his Guv, The Douche, is....wait for it....a democratic party member.
On the other side you've got Defense Production Act issues.
An exec order, created and signed by....wait for it...Orangey in the WH....who I guess somehow in luf's brain...became a democratic party member too!


AMAZING!
 
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