So lefties want socialism because everybody would be in the same wealth class....

[iguanaman]

Nope. The Democrats are now the corporate/establishment/war party. They have now become what they always railed at Republicans about, the mouthpieces for corporations. The only difference is that now it's Facebook, Google, Twitter, Microsoft and Apple as opposed to the heavy industry of the past. No party that wants to raise taxes on people barely hanging on after a pandemic can claim to champion the middle class. The middle class is in the way of the goals of the Dem elites, which is them at the top in control and everyone else dependent on and subservient to them. That's why for them to succeed, the middle class must go.

Biden has stated that no one with incomes below $400,000 will see any income tax increase. Is that clear to you? Stop claiming that Republicans care about the middle class when thanks to their policies nearly half this country does not even make enough income to afford any income tax.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Less than 40% liked what he's done econmically and that was before COVID.

Acually we've just moved from a very nice home in the mountains to an equally very nice home in the city because of my wifes health. I read and listen to a broad spectrum of media, obviously not the steady diet of RW bull**** you ascribe to.

Yes, our taxes went down, temporarily and will go right back up in 25, unless your one of the previleged few who's tax cut was perpetual; check out the video in post 211. Voodoo economics 2.0, I always pay attention AND I know you can't add using division as Trump is trying to do.

Warren is a democrat, and gives congress nice donation to make law like that. You cannot blame the president for tax law favoring the rich when its always been in place. Sounds like to me, you are the one indoctrinated by the media. You claim I have a diet of RW BS. Are you accusations of people always so wrong? I don't listen to talk radio, or watch Fox news, etc.

Why will the taxes go up in 2025? Because a democrat will likely be in charge?

You are really something. Making silly accusations about me you cannot back up.

Says a great deal of your severe lack of character.

 

[Lakryte]

.... Well then you guys then want EXTREME POVERTY for ALMOST EVERYONE who doesn't work for the government.

Define socialism. Otherwise I can only assume by "socialism" you just mean "policies I disagree with".

 

[Praxas]

Or you can regulate-restrict to the point of owning.

No, you can't. As already pointed out corporations and business have made loads of profit even with regulation. You guys are LYING when you talk about socialism. You are no liberal, just a Trump sycophant. You couldn't be a liberal and vote for Trump and you are just lying.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Warren is a democrat, and gives congress nice donation to make law like that. You cannot blame the president for tax law favoring the rich when its always been in place. Sounds like to me, you are the one indoctrinated by the media. You claim I have a diet of RW BS. Are you accusations of people always so wrong? I don't listen to talk radio, or watch Fox news, etc.

Why will the taxes go up in 2025? Because a democrat will likely be in charge?

You are really something. Making silly accusations about me you cannot back up.

Says a great deal of your severe lack of character.

Your lack of character ... yes ... you are a sniper uninterested in debate only winning. Good bye! :2wave:

 

[Aurora]

"Socialism" means government ownership of the means of production and nobody of account is advocating for it.

More stupid ass Trumpist blather. Boy, they sure do love shadowboxing with imagined straw men.






You already farted on moronically about socialism here:

Was Jesus a socialist?

Jesus didn't take from others to hand out to the needy. He asked YOU to help your neighbor. Jesus didn't request Caesar do this or that. Render to Caesar what is Caesars. You operate in his world you play by his rules.

 

[veritas1]

That's just so much bull****. There has never been what you lot call "forest management". I've lived all my life in one of the most forested areas in the world, I've worked in the bush and I've never seen anything like what you describe. Logging needs to be cleaned up after, yes, and it is but nobody has ever done anything about dead trees and undergrowth in a living forest. Not one the size of the bush country out here in the west. The scope of such a thing is so large you can't imagine what you're talking about. The concept is just a bull**** talking point from the liar in the White House.

Great, then we need to be pruning living forests. When the number of trees per acre increases exponentially so does the number of eventual dead trees and these fires act as a natural clearing mechanism. That would be all well and good were it not for the fact that people live right up to the edge of these forests and can suffer devastating damage and/or loss of life.

No matter how you slice it, there has been negligence for decades by both state governments and the Federal government. These people blaming climate change or, even worse, Trump, are little better than psychotic. CA will always have droughts and areas that are dry. This isn't new. All it takes is one small fire to turn into a very big inferno and then all the people who have been negligent go looking for someone else to blame.

 

[veritas1]

Jesus didn't take from others to hand out to the needy. He asked YOU to help your neighbor. Jesus didn't request Caesar do this or that. Render to Caesar what is Caesars. You operate in his world you play by his rules.

Charity to the left is giving the other guy your money.

 

[Deuce]

Are you lost?

A large share of Americans really like what the president has done in terms of lowering tax rates, trying to get more favorable trade deals, and getting a handle on illegal immigration.

Are you living in a whole, or do you only read and listen to liberal bias?

Myself, I paid $4k less in taxes the first year the president got his tax cuts. Didn't you pay less, or were you not paying attention?

A couple percentage off my tax bill doesn't make up for the harm done. Are you living in a "whole?"

 

[Lord of Planar]

A couple percentage off my tax bill doesn't make up for the harm done. Are you living in a "whole?"

He has done no harm. Harm was done by two of our last three democrat presidents.

Carter's policed lead to double digit inflation, and Reagan brought it under control.

Clinton signed free trade agreements exporting many union jobs to China and other 3rd world countries. He also relentlessly lobed cruise missiles into the middle east, hence their response on 9/11 19 years ago. He probably killed more than 50,000 innocent lives, as collateral damage.

 

[Deuce]

He has done no harm.

Ok buddy see ya.

 

[veritas1]

Biden has stated that no one with incomes below $400,000 will see any income tax increase. Is that clear to you? Stop claiming that Republicans care about the middle class when thanks to their policies nearly half this country does not even make enough income to afford any income tax.

Right, Democrat policies fostering lifelong dependency have nothing to do with poverty. Destroyed families have nothing to do with it. Lack of education and marketable skills have nothing to do with it. Democrats almost exclusively run all the places with high crime and high poverty and they've run these places for decades after decade. But, hey, it's the Republicans' fault.

 

[iguanaman]

Right, Democrat policies fostering lifelong dependency have nothing to do with poverty. Destroyed families have nothing to do with it. Lack of education and marketable skills have nothing to do with it. Democrats almost exclusively run all the places with high crime and high poverty and they've run these places for decades after decade. But, hey, it's the Republicans' fault.

Letting Americans starve and go homeless is they way Republicans deal with "dependency". We are better than that.

 

[veritas1]

Letting Americans starve and go homeless is they way Republicans deal with "dependency". We are better than that.

I guess you missed the 60,000 homeless on the streets of LA that Republicans aren't dealing with. Oh wait, it's Democrats not dealing with it. That was easy.

 

[weaver2]

That's what socialism is all about. The whole idea behind Socialism (Marxism in general) is that you always have to adjust society to accommodate the needs of the least affluent. Since the least affluent in every society are generally the ones that are least educated and least capable of employment the general method of accommodation is to lower expectations for everyone else. Eventually you get to a point where there are no longer any expectations for anyone EXCEPT those who are opposed to this type of accommodation. At that point everyone who has expectations that the least among us can, of their own volition, improve their lot in life, becomes the enemy of the appeasers.

Some homes for sale in Sweden.

 

[Grand Mal]

Great, then we need to be pruning living forests. When the number of trees per acre increases exponentially so does the number of eventual dead trees and these fires act as a natural clearing mechanism. That would be all well and good were it not for the fact that people live right up to the edge of these forests and can suffer devastating damage and/or loss of life.

No matter how you slice it, there has been negligence for decades by both state governments and the Federal government. These people blaming climate change or, even worse, Trump, are little better than psychotic. CA will always have droughts and areas that are dry. This isn't new. All it takes is one small fire to turn into a very big inferno and then all the people who have been negligent go looking for someone else to blame.

Do you have any idea how many acres you're talking about? 45,000,000 acres of federal land alone, in California. State owned land, who knows. Oregon and Washington? I can't be arsed to look it up. You guys back east talk like it's maintaining parkland. It would be an army of workers. Care to try to guess how many people it would take to do what you say should be done in the federal land in California?
Listen. It's a go-to. It won't fly. There's no negligence on anyone's part. Except maybe the buffoon in the White House who displays his ignorance by saying California should have been raking and pruning millions of acres. You're right that fires will happen. And they'll happen more as the bush gets dryer and the fire season gets longer. Your boy Trump might be exciting his fan base talking about "forest management" but anyone who lives west of the mountains facepalms at the suggestion. Sheer stupidity.

 

[Lutherf]

Some homes for sale in Sweden.

Yes. Stalin's summer dacha was also quite impressive.

 

[Bullseye]

Letting Americans starve and go homeless is they way Republicans deal with "dependency". We are better than that.

You'll be better when you stop spewing liberal lies. I'm not holding my breath until that happens, however.

 

[Bullseye]

"Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion."

Liberalism - Wikipedia.

Too bad, few modern liberals espouse those things. Sounds like MY CLASSIC LIBERAL side; well maybe not so much of the internationalism.

 

[eohrnberger]

You'll be better when you stop spewing liberal lies. I'm not holding my breath until that happens, however.

Good thing that you won't. I think I'd miss ya. :mrgreen:

 

[Lord of Planar]

Do you have any idea how many acres you're talking about? 45,000,000 acres of federal land alone, in California. State owned land, who knows. Oregon and Washington? I can't be arsed to look it up. You guys back east talk like it's maintaining parkland. It would be an army of workers. Care to try to guess how many people it would take to do what you say should be done in the federal land in California?
Listen. It's a go-to. It won't fly. There's no negligence on anyone's part. Except maybe the buffoon in the White House who displays his ignorance by saying California should have been raking and pruning millions of acres. You're right that fires will happen. And they'll happen more as the bush gets dryer and the fire season gets longer. Your boy Trump might be exciting his fan base talking about "forest management" but anyone who lives west of the mountains facepalms at the suggestion. Sheer stupidity.

The logging companies used to take care of it, and still made a profit.

 

[eohrnberger]

The logging companies used to take care of it, and still made a profit.

So what's preventing those logging companies from doing the same once again?
It would seem to have made common sense. Has the common sense departed?

 

[Lord of Planar]

So what's preventing those logging companies from doing the same once again?
It would seem to have made common sense. Has the common sense departed?

Strict environmental laws.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

.... Well then you guys then want EXTREME POVERTY for ALMOST EVERYONE who doesn't work for the government.

You obviously don't understand the definition of socialism. Socialism and communism are not the same thing. Only for ignorant unread unsophisticated Repug goobers is that true.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Strict environmental laws.

Bull****. Show us the evidence. Trump has obliterated the EPA since he has been president. I thought Bush was bad, Trump is Big Oil's and Big Coal's wet dream.

There is simply no environmental regulations that Trump would not gleefully wipe his ass with.