So, if Trump did have boxes and boxes of classified documents...

[JMB802]

Well, even if they do find classified documents in Trump's possession, the worse that's going to happen is the FBI director will hold a press conference declaring that he mishandled classified material. You know, like they did for "Hillary".

As president, Trump approved a law increasing penalties for mishandling classified info. It could come back to bite him.

Back in 2018, Donald Trump signed into law a bill toughening sentencing for mishandling classified info that received little attention at the time.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[mac]

As president, Trump approved a law increasing penalties for mishandling classified info. It could come back to bite him.

Back in 2018, Donald Trump signed into law a bill toughening sentencing for mishandling classified info that received little attention at the time.

www.businessinsider.com

Yeah, did Hillary do a year in prison?

 

[JMB802]

Yeah, did Hillary do a year in prison?

Feel free to start a thread about Hillary's document handling, this one is about Trump.

You should include sources because your attempt to deflect to Obama in this thread didn't go well.

 

[roguenuke]

I think he would at least try to sell the secrets (I hope he hasn't sold any of our info, but given the multiple opportunities he's had and his connections, I think that hope is a lost cause too).

I don't think he would sell the documents themselves unless they were only profitable to someone as the "original". It would be much more lucrative financially speaking to simply sell copies, especially of info that is classified because the info is important to keep secret, such as our nuclear secrets or other information that is normally kept under much better guard.

 

[mac]

Feel free to start a thread about Hillary's document handling, this one is about Trump.

You should include sources because your attempt to deflect to Obama in this thread didn't go well.

You included the source. Prior to the changing of the penalty for mishandling classified material to five years, the penalty was 1 year. Did Hillary do 1 year in prison?

 

[JMB802]

You included the source. Prior to the changing of the penalty for mishandling classified material to five years, the penalty was 1 year. Did Hillary do 1 year in prison?

Read it again. The penalty wasn't one year. That was the maximum sentence.

Hillary didn't receive any penalty because she wasn't charged. I am not privy to the details of the case so I can't answer any questions about it.

 

[mac]

Read it again. The penalty wasn't one year. That was the maximum sentence.

Hillary didn't receive any penalty because she wasn't charged. I am not privy to the details of the case so I can't answer any questions about it.

Right, and that was changed to a maximum of 5 years. The likelihood that Trump gets charged is no higher than it was for Hillary. Hillary actually communicated classified material to people that weren't cleared to see it in addition to simply mishandling classified material.

 

[JMB802]

Right. The likelihood that Trump gets charged is no higher than it was for Hillary. Hillary actually communicated classified material to people that weren't cleared to see it in addition to simply mishandling classified material.

Presidential records are the property of the US government and should not be stored in Trump's private residence. Do you agree or disagree?

 

[mac]

Presidential records are the property of the US government and should not be stored in Trump's private residence. Do you agree or disagree?

Agree. Which records did he have, if any?

 

[CaughtInThe]

yeah, at least the poll shows us all that there are 4 gullible posters here.

 

[JMB802]

Agree. Which records did he have, if any?

LOL, how on earth would I know that info? Perhaps the public will learn more at 3 this afternoon.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Then that will show up in the white house logs, unless he stole them too.

And we all know Trump has never been transparent with WH logs starting when he first entered the WH. He refused to make visitor logs available.

 

[mac]

LOL, how on earth would I know that info? Perhaps the public will learn more at 3 this afternoon.

Right, perhaps.

 

[Ethel2]

Presidential records are the property of the US government and should not be stored in Trump's private residence. Do you agree or disagree?

And that’s the bottom line. He isn’t entitled to maintain possession of government property in his home regardless of what is in those documents. He also isn’t entitled to destroy the documents as he apparently did with some of the documents he did return.

 

[The AntiDonald]

That's true, but what is also true is that Obama took a bunch with him as well that haven't been returned.

I am sure you'll find, if you dive a little deeper into that, that Obama followed the procedure for obtaining the documents. Once the NA has cataloged all the WH documents, any president has access to his own documents. He signs them out and is likely given copies of them.

The problem Trump has is he never turned them over the NA to begin with. And after 19 months of negotiations, meetings, emails, subpoenas, please and thank you, Trump has still withheld documents.

Classified or not, he is in violation of the presidential records act. There is no argument for this. The classified stuff makes it much worse.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Yeah, did Hillary do a year in prison?

Did Trump's bad ass DOJ prosecute her? And if not, why not? They had 4 years to get it done. This is a nonargument.

 

[mac]

I am sure you'll find, if you dive a little deeper into that, that Obama followed the procedure for obtaining the documents. Once the NA has cataloged all the WH documents, any president has access to his own documents. He signs them out and is likely given copies of them.

The problem Trump has is he never turned them over the NA to begin with. And after 19 months of negotiations, meetings, emails, subpoenas, please and thank you, Trump has still withheld documents.

Classified or not, he is in violation of the presidential records act. There is no argument for this. The classified stuff makes it much worse.

"All recent administrations have had some Presidential Records Act violations, most often involving the use of unofficial email and telephone accounts. White House documents from multiple administrations also have been retrieved by the Archives after a president has left office."

 

[bongsaway]

Who here honestly believes he wouldn't sell them to *anyone* for the right price?

For the right price you say, I wouldn't be surprised if he gave them away for spite.

 

[bongsaway]

Watch or read the history of Hitler's rise.
The parallels are shocking. The process of manipulating deplorables by badly intended actors is long.

And yet when you say that on here the trumpets go insane, that's how little they know about history. I saw thousands of brownshirts smashing up the capitol on 1/6.

 

[The AntiDonald]

"All recent administrations have had some Presidential Records Act violations, most often involving the use of unofficial email and telephone accounts. White House documents from multiple administrations also have been retrieved by the Archives after a president has left office."

I have no doubt that's true. But did they have to be subpoenaed to get them? And still refuse to comply with the subpoena?

The NA and the DOJ went to great lengths to get Trump to quietly turn over all the documents and no one would have known the difference.

It is Trump and Trump alone who has brought this upon himself. Blaming the government for Trump's wrongdoing is pure twilight zone BS.

And people have already died from the rights conspiracy theory BS.

 

[mac]

I have no doubt that's true. But did they have to be subpoenaed to get them? And still refuse to comply with the subpoena? /quote

I don't know. Do you know that they didn't?

The NA and the DOJ went to great lengths to get Trump to quietly turn over all the documents and no one would have known the difference. /quote

What were those "great lengths"?

It is Trump and Trump alone who has brought this upon himself. Blaming the government for Trump's wrongdoing is pure twilight zone BS.

And people have already died from the rights conspiracy theory BS.

Who's blaming the government? Not me. How does this particular situation fit into the "rights conspiracy theory BS"?

 

[The AntiDonald]

I don't know. Do you know that they didn't?

What were those "great lengths"?

Who's blaming the government? Not me. How does this particular situation fit into the "rights conspiracy theory BS"?

I guess we'll never know. But if they did, how does it matter in this situation. Two wrongs never make a right.

Meetings, emails, phone calls, more meetings, subpoenas. And finally, a search warrant.

The right's been accusing the government of all sorts of BS since Monday. All of it BS, and you know it. And some numnuts has died because of it. More blood on Trumps hands.

 

[mac]

I guess we'll never know. But if they did, how does it matter in this situation. Two wrongs never make a right. /quote

No, but Trump is not the exception here. More like par for the course, indicating that it is not always a clearly cut and dry process at the end of a Presidential administration.

Meetings, emails, phone calls, more meetings, subpoenas. And finally, a search warrant. /quote

The search warrant may be new, but there is no evidence that the rest are uncommon.

The right's been accusing the government of all sorts of BS since Monday. All of it BS, and you know it. And some numnuts has died because of it. More blood on Trumps hands.

Who died because of it?

 

[The AntiDonald]

No, but Trump is not the exception here. More like par for the course, indicating that it is not always a clearly cut and dry process at the end of a Presidential administration.

The search warrant may be new, but there is no evidence that the rest are uncommon.

Who died because of it?

The moron who attempted to kill FBI agents in Ohio yesterday. It was a direct result of the RW propaganda being fed to Trumps base following the search.

 

[mike2810]

Agree. Which records did he have, if any?

- Do you recall months ago numerous boxes of WH material was retrieved and returned to the National Archives. It has been shown Trump took material that was not his to have by law. The current search is looking for still missing items.

- Posted in another thread what a President is allowed to remove from the WH when leaving office. Basically, it is only personal items. All other documents, gifts, etc are property of the people (Government) and belong in the archive.

As far as the recent search authorized by a warrant, We will not know until Trump or the DOJ release the itemized list. Even the list may not give full details of what a document contained.