So, I take it Your God Killed Jesus

[Daisy]

Well - your title is faulty. God didn't kill Jesus.


God is Jesus (as a human).....and He voluntarily died for us.

Big difference.

Nonsense...

 

[tosca1]

As someone who actually liked the guy they called Jesus, I'm a little pissed that this god had him murdered. Oh, god had Jesus killed all right. Remember, god sent the boy here to die...or so we are led to believe. So, if that is true, then god killed that boy dead.

I ask. Why?

Isn't it kind of sick to worship a god who murders his own son in front of an entire town? And, what was the point of it anyway? Did he do it just to prove he could? None of this crucifixion myth makes sense.

Is it not much more reasonable to believe that Jesus, the man, stirred enough animus that the locals formed a mob to take him out? No god. Just people doing what they do best, overreacting with violence.

Nonsense...

One of these days, I'll show you what nonsense is.

 

[soylentgreen]

Well - your title is faulty. God didn't kill Jesus.


God is Jesus (as a human).....and He voluntarily died for us.

Big difference.

Why would Jesus (the mere man) want to stir up animus? For what? It's not like as if He and His folllowers were getting rich for it.

And you're forgetting one thing: how can a mere man raise up the dead and heal the sick and perform other miracles such as exorcism.
Why were the demons scared of Him?

Tha's what made Him popular: His miracles!


Lol. How can you reasonably explain that!

So you are saying god is dead

 

[tosca1]

So you are saying god is dead

I take it you hardly know anything about Christianity. You don't know the end story.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

First, Jesus had to be hung on a stake to free the Jews from a special curse. (Gal. 3:10, 13) They had agreed to observe God’s Law but had fallen far short of keeping it. As a result, this curse was in addition to their condemnation as offspring of sinful Adam. (Rom. 5:12) God’s Law to Israel stated that a man who committed a sin deserving of death should be executed. Afterward, his dead body may be hung on a stake.* (Deut. 21:22, 23; 27:26) So by being hung on a stake, Jesus made it possible for the very nation that rejected him to benefit from his sacrifice.

All sounds very plausible and rational.

 

[calamity]

I take it you hardly know anything about Christianity. You don't know the end story.

Riiiight....he's coming baaaaaack.

 

[calamity]

Why would Jesus (the mere man) want to stir up animus? For what? It's not like as if He and His folllowers were getting rich for it.

Shits and giggles. Stirring up animus is fun, plus it garners a lot of attention. Who knows; maybe if you do a good enough job of it, some foolish zealots will even name a religion after you..

 

[calamity]

All sounds very plausible and rational.

lol...yeah, the circular arguments are mind boggling.

 

[Daisy]

One of these days, I'll show you what nonsense is.

I'll show you yours right now...

God cannot die...

"Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah?
O my God, my Holy One, you do not die." Habakkuk 1:12

God cannot be tempted...it is unimaginable that God could sin and be disloyal to Himself...

"Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil." Matthew 4:1

Jesus could have been disloyal but remained faithful, saying...

“Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” Matthew 4:10

 

[calamity]

I'll show you your right now...

God cannot die...

"Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah?
O my God, my Holy One, you do not die." Habakkuk 1:12

God cannot be tempted...it is unimaginable that God could sin and be disloyal to Himself...

"Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil." Matthew 4:1

Jesus could have been disloyal but remained faithful, saying...

“Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” Matthew 4:10

I would agree. If there is a god, it most certainly cannot die. Jesus, however, was a man. And, he dead as nails.

 

[Daisy]

I would agree. If there is a god, it most certainly cannot die. Jesus, however, was a man. And, he dead as nails.

God does have the power to resurrect...

 

[joko104]

A baiting thread, but give the OP an F for ethics.

The logic of the OP message is that MLK Jr, Gandhi, and such people were idiots since they knew they risked their lives in what they did - and his view clearly is that anyone who sacrifices themselves for anyone else is an idiot to be laughed about.

Also the OP gets an F in logic. Per the Bible, Jesus is immortal so therefore wasn't killed at all.

If the OP makes any point, apparently is to declare that a parent should never sacrifice anything to protect or save their children. Sadly, there are too many parents like that.

 

[joko104]

Since Jesus is deemed immortal, another question is which would a person prefer? Being a mortal human and all humans suffer - or be a god? Jesus became or went back to being a god.

The OPer says better to be a suffering human.

 

[OrphanSlug]

As someone who actually liked the guy they called Jesus, I'm a little pissed that this god had him murdered. Oh, god had Jesus killed all right. Remember, god sent the boy here to die...or so we are led to believe. So, if that is true, then god killed that boy dead.

I ask. Why?

Isn't it kind of sick to worship a god who murders his own son in front of an entire town? And, what was the point of it anyway? Did he do it just to prove he could? None of this crucifixion myth makes sense.

Is it not much more reasonable to believe that Jesus, the man, stirred enough animus that the locals formed a mob to take him out? No god. Just people doing what they do best, overreacting with violence.

Forget it, there is more source of morality in reading the script for a porn movie than reading the Bible.

There is no logic, no moral teaching, no showing of humanity from the Christian concept of God becoming man in order to sacrifice himself for all of us (that was not even original story in the first place.)

But let me help you out, cause you have a few things wrong.

The whole thing here is God became man via a spirit who found a virgin as temporary housing, then in a grand effort to show atonement he killed himself as a gesture of good will to deal with people's broken relationship with God.

Now all of this was necessary because of a terrible and horrific chain of events, including God going on a murder spree or two, all because a woman who was made from the rib of a man was convinced by a talking snake to eat a piece of fruit from a magical tree.

All of the subsequent killing, sacrifices, destruction and lunacy, acts of madness and hatred (much of which was done by God's various temper tantrums) gets its traces all the way back to an apple.

You clear now?

 

[Daisy]

Since Jesus is deemed immortal, another question is which would a person prefer? Being a mortal human and all humans suffer - or be a god? Jesus became or went back to being a god.

The OPer says better to be a suffering human.

Yet the Bible tells us that Jesus was not always immortal...immortality means one cannot die...the first one described in the Bible as rewarded with the gift of immortality is Jesus Christ....the fact that he did not possess immortality before his resurrection by God is seen from Paul's words...

"For we know that Christ, now that he has been raised up from the dead, dies no more; death is no longer master over him." Romans 6:9

 

[calamity]

Yet the Bible tells us that Jesus was not always immortal...immortality means one cannot die...the first one described in the Bible as rewarded with the gift of immortality is Jesus Christ....the fact that he did not possess immortality before his resurrection by God is seen from Paul's words...

"For we know that Christ, now that he has been raised up from the dead, dies no more; death is no longer master over him." Romans 6:9

That is consistent.

 

[calamity]

God does have the power to resurrect...

If it exists, it would have that power. Yes.

 

[calamity]

Forget it, there is more source of morality in reading the script for a porn movie than reading the Bible.

There is no logic, no moral teaching, no showing of humanity from the Christian concept of God becoming man in order to sacrifice himself for all of us (that was not even original story in the first place.)

This would explain why my brain cannot wrap itself around the problem.

But let me help you out, cause you have a few things wrong.

Would not be the first time.

The whole thing here is God became man via a spirit who found a virgin as temporary housing, then in a grand effort to show atonement he killed himself as a gesture of good will to deal with people's broken relationship with God.

Now all of this was necessary because of a terrible and horrific chain of events, including God going on a murder spree or two, all because a woman who was made from the rib of a man was convinced by a talking snake to eat a piece of fruit from a magical tree.

Uh...yeah, see my first comment in this post.

All of the subsequent killing, sacrifices, destruction and lunacy, acts of madness and hatred (much of which was done by God's various temper tantrums) gets its traces all the way back to an apple.

You clear now?

I've even heard them argue amongst each other over whether or not it was an apple or grapes.

 

[devildavid]

This would explain why my brain cannot wrap itself around the problem.

Would not be the first time.

Uh...yeah, see my first comment in this post.

I've even heard them argue amongst each other over whether or not it was an apple or grapes.

Actually, it was not a specific real fruit. It was the metaphorical fruit of a metaphorical tree called the tree of knowledge of good and evil. There is no such real tree thus there was no real fruit.

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The bible is messed up because it is a bunch of totally unrelated writings cobbled together which various religious authorities falsely claim have a common thread. They do not. Some of it is pure metaphor, some mythology, some of it supposedly written by poets and preachers and prophets and madmen to specific audiences at specific times. None of it was addressed universally to all of humanity for all time, as the ones who cobbled it together falsely claim. If things seem to fit, it is because we have been falsely led to think that they do by our oversimplified religious training. None of the bible is an historical rendering of actual events. Even the letters written may not have actually been written and not by who they claim wrote them. It has all been carefully curated by religious authorities to serve the need of spreading religious beliefs. The main character running throughout all the writings is fictional, as it is god. No one could have possible witnessed anything that took place in the stories that included a real god.

 

[devildavid]

Yet the Bible tells us that Jesus was not always immortal...immortality means one cannot die...the first one described in the Bible as rewarded with the gift of immortality is Jesus Christ....the fact that he did not possess immortality before his resurrection by God is seen from Paul's words...

"For we know that Christ, now that he has been raised up from the dead, dies no more; death is no longer master over him." Romans 6:9

That is consistent.

No, it is not consistent. She has stated that Jesus existed from the beginning as the first creation of god. So what form did jesus have before he took on flesh, which is what the bible says he did? How could he not be immortal if he existed in an immortal form before taking on a mortal form?

 

[Daisy]

No, it is not consistent. She has stated that Jesus existed from the beginning as the first creation of god. So what form did jesus have before he took on flesh, which is what the bible says he did? How could he not be immortal if he existed in an immortal form before taking on a mortal form?

Just who do you think has immortality? No one but Jehovah God and now, Jesus Christ...we know this because angels can be destroyed since Satan and his demons will be thrown into the lake of fire, the 2nd/final/permanent death, as can humans...

“Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels." Matthew 25:41

"And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." Matthew 10:28

 

[calamity]

No, it is not consistent. She has stated that Jesus existed from the beginning as the first creation of god. So what form did jesus have before he took on flesh, which is what the bible says he did? How could he not be immortal if he existed in an immortal form before taking on a mortal form?

I read it as Jesus arrived as a man, died and ascended bodily into heaven. I don't exactly believe any of that last part, but it is consistent with the general gist of the teachings.

 

[calamity]

Just who do you think has immortality? No one but Jehovah God and now, Jesus Christ...

Yeah, that is exactly how I read it.

 

[Daisy]

I read it as Jesus arrived as a man, died and ascended bodily into heaven. I don't exactly believe any of that last part, but it is consistent with the general gist of the teachings.

No, not with a fleshly body but as a spirit...

He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit." 1 Peter 3:18

 

[devildavid]

Just who do you think has immortality? No one but Jehovah God and now, Jesus Christ...we know this because angels can be destroyed since Satan and his demons will be thrown into the lake of fire, the 2nd/final/permanent death, as can humans...

“Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels." Matthew 25:41

"And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." Matthew 10:28

How could Jesus not have immortality if he existed in an immortal form? Same with the make believe angels and Satan. How do they die? Jesus had to take on the flesh to vicariously experience the death of the flesh. But his existence was not dependent on the flesh at all. He already existed in another form that does not die as the flesh dies.

I thought you believed that we are souls, so why the distinction in your quote between soul and body? Not consistent with your beliefs.