Silently protesting Muslim woman ejected from Trump rally

[clownboy]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

under his instruction.

Before the event and his instruction was the same one most speakers give their event staff. It was the event staff, the police working security, that decided she was being disruptive (her goal) and removed her.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

Before the event and his instruction was the same one most speakers give their event staff. It was the event staff, the police working security, that decided she was being disruptive (her goal) and removed her.

And how was she being disruptive? I keep seeing the claim that she was being disruptive and protesting, but not much effort goes into how.

 

[clownboy]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

And how was she being disruptive? I keep seeing the claim that she was being disruptive and protesting, but not much effort goes into how.

And for the thousandth time, the only definitive answer we have to that comes from the police working the event. In their judgment she was being disruptive. But hey, you're free to keep making stuff up and spinning motive as you have been. Keep ignoring that you weren't there and only have a single angle camera vid to judge by.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

And for the thousandth time, the only definitive answer we have to that comes from the police working the event. In their judgment she was being disruptive. But hey, you're free to keep making stuff up and spinning motive as you have been.

What you're deliberately ignoring is the possibility that she was ejected for no actual reason. All the footage and still shots show nothing out of the ordinary about her behavior with regards to how the rest of the audience around her was behaving.

You have a crowd that is highly anti-islamic (did you see that tackle?) and that they probably got rid of her because she was the wrong religion. Can you admit that there is even a .00000000000001% possibility that she was kicked out for reasons entirely related to bigotry?

 

[Derp]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

Which brings us alllll the way back to square one, which is that she wasn't standing out of order in relation to everyone else. So what we have is..

1)She stood when others stood, she sat when others sat. All the footage and still shots show this.
2)There is no evidence she shouted, interrupted or obstructed anybody in the course of the rally.
3)She wore a gold star, but so did roughly half a dozen people nearby
4)She was escorted from the rally, but none of the nearby people, which suggests that the star was either 1)not an issue or 2)she was singled out purely because of her religion.

I have to disagree with #1, she and her friend stood in protest while everyone around them were still sitting. Look closely at the very beginning of the video.

I will correct my previous post because in this video the others with yellow stars were also standing in protest while everyone else is still seated. First time I noticed that.

Also there is a cut in the video and when Rose Hamid is leaving her male friend is already gone so you can't tell if he was escorted out or left on his own.

Trump Tells Rally Syria Refugees '''Probably''' ISIS As Muslim Protester Removed - NBC News

Also this photo shows them standing while others are sitting, I have posted this link before.

Woman Removed From Donald Trump Rally Wanted To Show 'Muslims Are Not That Scary'

 

[ludin]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

under his instruction.

why would he not remove people that are causing a disturbance. it is not like they have a right to
disrupt a private event.

 

[clownboy]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

What you're deliberately ignoring is the possibility that she was ejected for no actual reason. All the footage and still shots show nothing out of the ordinary about her behavior with regards to how the rest of the audience around her was behaving.

You have a crowd that is highly anti-islamic (did you see that tackle?) and that they probably got rid of her because she was the wrong religion. Can you admit that there is even a .00000000000001% possibility that she was kicked out for reasons entirely related to bigotry?

Once again you spin and spin. No one here knows that, no one at CNN knows that. The police who asked her to leave said it was because she was a disruption/being disruptive. Her purpose for being there was to call attention away from the speaker to highlight her cause. So if you're going to speculate what was going on in the minds of the police who ejected her - you might start with her purpose for being there. It certainly wasn't to hear what the speaker had to say.

 

[opendebate]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

Before the event and his instruction was the same one most speakers give their event staff. It was the event staff, the police working security, that decided she was being disruptive (her goal) and removed her.

see post 452

 

[opendebate]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

why would he not remove people that are causing a disturbance. it is not like they have a right to
disrupt a private event.

standing in silence is not disruptive

 

[GPS_Flex]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

You said she was ejected for protesting and yet you can't even explain what form that protest took?

Sure, I could explain the form of the protest but it's irrelevant. Have a nice day!:2wave:

 

[GPS_Flex]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

you keep referring to the woman as a 'protester'
what was she found to be 'protesting'?

You really can't figure this out on your own? Obviously she was there to protest against Trump.

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

Wasn't this your post?

in your example the protester is clearly stating their support for pretty despicable behavior. How can you compare standing silently in protest to someone spouting hate and encouraging ignorant bigotry? What was the protester (if we can even call her that) at the Trump rally enabling?

Sounds right.
A sign held by someone standing silently suggesting Hillary had enabled a sexual predator is comparable to a muslim standing silently suggesting Trump is spouting hate and encouraging bigotry.
I'm not at all sure why that's such a confusing notion.

 

[Derp]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

Which brings us alllll the way back to square one, which is that she wasn't standing out of order in relation to everyone else. So what we have is..

1)She stood when others stood, she sat when others sat. All the footage and still shots show this.
2)There is no evidence she shouted, interrupted or obstructed anybody in the course of the rally.
3)She wore a gold star, but so did roughly half a dozen people nearby
4)She was escorted from the rally, but none of the nearby people, which suggests that the star was either 1)not an issue or 2)she was singled out purely because of her religion.

Ok now I finally have video of the others with yellow stars being removed, so Rose Hamid was not singled out for being a Muslim or Muslim looking women, Rose Hamid and the others who were standing in protest while everyone else around them were still seated were removed for protesting when the crowd was told no protesting of any sort would be allowed. :2wave:

Skip to 1:25 in the video

 

[calamity]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

A woman wearing a silly scarf is no silly than a Jewish man wearing that little hat thingy that looks so damn silly...

Are Jewish people strapping on suicide vests and shooting up the public square?

 

[opendebate]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

Sounds right.
A sign held by someone standing silently suggesting Hillary had enabled a sexual predator is comparable to a muslim standing silently suggesting Trump is spouting hate and encouraging bigotry.
I'm not at all sure why that's such a confusing notion.

Ok, you're either just not trying or you're f'kng with me.

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

Ok, you're either just not trying or you're f'kng with me.

Hardly fking with you.
I don't do stuff like that.
I'm serious.
The point was that if anyone at a Hillary rally protested what they think Hillary did they'd be escorted out like the woman at the Trump rally was.
Very simple.

 

[opendebate]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

Hardly fking with you.
I don't do stuff like that.
I'm serious.
The point was that if anyone at a Hillary rally protested what they think Hillary did they'd be escorted out like the woman at the Trump rally was.
Very simple.

ok but you're arguing based on the concept not the execution. The execution is the difference. You hold up a sign that specifically states what you object to and makes that statement in an objectively offensive way, that is profoundly different than standing in silence.

You're position is basically promoting the denial of this woman's right to free speech. Isn't that right worth protecting regardless of whether or not you agree with what that person is saying?

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

Ok now I finally have video of the others with yellow stars being removed, so Rose Hamid was not singled out for being a Muslim or Muslim looking women, Rose Hamid and the others who were standing in protest while everyone else around them were still seated were removed for protesting when the crowd was told no protesting of any sort would be allowed. :2wave:

Skip to 1:25 in the video

That's some good research, Derp.
But wanna bet it'll roll right off some people.

 

[Derp]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

Hardly fking with you.
I don't do stuff like that.
I'm serious.
The point was that if anyone at a Hillary rally protested what they think Hillary did they'd be escorted out like the woman at the Trump rally was.
Very simple.

:2wave:

Man Holding Protest Sign Removed From Clinton Event In Dallas « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

 

[cpgrad08]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

The word "disturbance" should be based upon what the person does and not the reaction to the person, however. Sure, she was there to make a political point, and yes, she got exactly what she was hoping to get, but that doesn't make it right to remove her.

If a person wanted to stand silently at a Bernie Sanders rally wearing an NRA shirt or something similar, I would feel the same way. As long as they are not heckling, or acting unruly, I don't see the big deal.

It does since it was a private event.

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

ok but you're arguing based on the concept not the execution. The execution is the difference. You hold up a sign that specifically states what you object to and makes that statement in an objectively offensive way, that is profoundly different than standing in silence.

You're position is basically promoting denying this woman her right to free speech. Isn't that worth protecting?

The concept is the same, yes.
And the sign is no more or less valid speech than standing in muslim garb protesting along with others as the Derp video showed ... and we all suspected.

Are you saying that, even though silent, the woman was not protesting Trump?
The facts say otherwise.

Both types of protesters would be escorted out.
There's no doubt about that.

EDIT: look at Derp's post 469.

 

[rocket88]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

again another useless post from you.
do you actually have anything to say or not.

so far you have had 0 to say.

You not wanting to hear it doesn't mean I have nothing to say. It means you aren't listening, which sounds like your problem.

 

[rocket88]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

:2wave:

Man Holding Protest Sign Removed From Clinton Event In Dallas « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

That was as right as removing the woman from the Trump event.

I just question how she got in to the rally in the first place. It's not like Trump has a lot of Muslim supporters. I still say they let her for the sole reason that removing a Muslim plays well with the worshippers.

 

[X Factor]

Re: Trump throwa Muslim woman out of rally

The word "disturbance" should be based upon what the person does and not the reaction to the person, however. Sure, she was there to make a political point, and yes, she got exactly what she was hoping to get, but that doesn't make it right to remove her.

If a person wanted to stand silently at a Bernie Sanders rally wearing an NRA shirt or something similar, I would feel the same way. As long as they are not heckling, or acting unruly, I don't see the big deal.

Eh, no love here for the liar Trump but I think any rally pretty much has a right to remove whoever and contrary to the suggestion of some, it's not a violation of the 1st Amendment. I 100% agree with your assertion that you would be consistent. What I do think is undeniably indefensible would be to say that deciding what is and isn't wrong to do is based one whether or not they agree with the message, which I'm kinda disappointed to be seeing (not by you).

 

[truthatallcost]

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Eh, no love here for the liar Trump but I think any rally pretty much has a right to remove whoever and contrary to the suggestion of some, it's not a violation of the 1st Amendment. I 100% agree with your assertion that you would be consistent. What I do think is undeniably indefensible would be to say that deciding what is and isn't wrong to do is based one whether or not they agree with the message, which I'm kinda disappointed to be seeing (not by you).

The Clinton's were famous for having their staff screen everyone who showed up to their public appearances. Anyone who didn't fit their criteria was barred from being there. At least Trump isn't that calculating.