Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

[Helix]

She just published a really asinine proposal, in her mind it's a serious plan. One that in reality would **** America into utter failure. As the fresh new face of the Democrat Party, of course we're going to have a laugh at the seeds of stupid the left has sown.

hopefully, we'll all be laughing our way to real universal health care.

 

[Acadia]

Vis doesn't like to respond when he's wrong. He just stepped in the fail puddle and doesn't know how to handle the moment.

The "fail puddle".:giggle1:
Oh, thank your for the lol!

 

[SoCal]

very scary women to the wingnuts. fascinating.

ANOTHER AOC thread!

There is dangerous levels of AOC on the forum, if we do not turn back now and stop posting so many, it could create a tear in the space-time continuum.

state TV and AM radio must have her on heavy rotation. that's usually the case when right wingers start eight hundred threads about something.

Isn't it amazing how much attention and anger she's unleashed in The Cult and their posters here? She must be be doing something right for them to attack her like this. It seems The Cult is suffering from AOCDS. There's a simple reason why they're reacting this way, it's called fear...

"Anger—How We Transfer Feelings of Guilt, Hurt, and Fear"

"...anger is the emotion of invulnerability. Even though the self-empowerment (read, “adrenaline rush”) it immediately offers is bogus, it can yet be extremely tempting to get “attached”—or even “addicted”—to it if we frequently experience another as threatening..."

 

[Acadia]

AOC is good fodder and btw, "the cult" (so 2017!) loves her and wants to thank her in advance for getting Trump re-elected in 2020.

 

[Visbek]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729035/Green-New-Deal-FAQ.pdf

Read her own FAQ on the matter.

And again, read my post. There is literally nothing in the actual framework that says anything about setting up a massive welfare state. Thus, if the most powerful objection you've got is literally one word in a FAQ that was pulled almost immediately, then it seems like you've got nothing.

 

[noonereal]

Isn't it amazing how much attention and anger she's unleashed in The Cult and their posters here? She must be be doing something right for them to attack her like this. It seems The Cult is suffering from AOCDS. There's a simple reason why they're reacting this way, it's called fear...

"Anger—How We Transfer Feelings of Guilt, Hurt, and Fear"

"...anger is the emotion of invulnerability. Even though the self-empowerment (read, “adrenaline rush”) it immediately offers is bogus, it can yet be extremely tempting to get “attached”—or even “addicted”—to it if we frequently experience another as threatening..."

They hate anything that represents the future.

Bring back 1960 is their motto.

 

[Visbek]

AOC's New Green Deal LITERALLY stated that people UNWILLING to work should get paid and mentioned FARTING COWS.

No, it didn't. I pointed you directly to the actual document filed in the House. If you did so much as glance at the document, you'd see that it does not in fact establish a welfare state.

What the National Review is talking about is a document that apparently got pulled almost immediately. Needless to say, even this tiny snipped misses pretty much the whole point of the NGD, which is to advocate for a major revolution in dealing with environmental issues and climate change. NR/you are offering a laughably weak argument.

And believe it or not, cow farts are actually an issue. They release methane (CH4) which is a potent greenhouse gas. Look it up, educate yourself.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

We are all conscripted into a capitalist system by birth here in the USA.

This is not only a condition of capitalism or the United States. Sorry that you were born on a planet where you have to earn your living, no one is your slave.

You need to try to enlighten your thoughts.

Wanting a living to be unearned is not enlightened.

 

[Visbek]

AOC is more of a symptom. The short story is that Venezuela was a prosperous oil rich country with a democracy....

AOC wants the US to function more like Denmark, not Venezuela.

Meanwhile, the right-wing obsession with her only serves to boost her profile. Good job!

So I don't see AOC so much as a threat, but a warning to both parties. The fact that AOC is getting the attention she is, is a warning sign to both parties: Stop fighting and get down to getting the people's business done.

Yeah, thing is? Proposing that the US get serious about income inequality, climate change and renewable energy is the "people's business."

If anything, it's her critics who are not serious... as rather obviously displayed by this very thread.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

I say discuss all the crazy ideas we can come up with while we can. Because I don’t see capitalism as we know it surviving the century as automation and AI technology progresses.

 

[Renae]

And again, read my post. There is literally nothing in the actual framework that says anything about setting up a massive welfare state. Thus, if the most powerful objection you've got is literally one word in a FAQ that was pulled almost immediately, then it seems like you've got nothing.

It wasn't' pulled, it's still there.

 

[SoCal]

AOC is good fodder and btw, "the cult" (so 2017!) loves her and wants to thank her in advance for getting Trump re-elected in 2020.

I haven't read any Cult members thanking her yet, you must be the first. If The Cult really wants her to be reelected and used as a foil, they should be building her up, not tearing her down.

In the end it won't matter who or what type of politician runs for Congress, Numnuts is his own worst enemy...

 

[Renae]

hopefully, we'll all be laughing our way to real universal health care.

You might want to enslave others to pay for what you should be taking care of yourself, I however would be ashamed to demand that.

 

[Acadia]

No, it didn't. I pointed you directly to the actual document filed in the House. If you did so much as glance at the document, you'd see that it does not in fact establish a welfare state.

What the National Review is talking about is a document that apparently got pulled almost immediately. Needless to say, even this tiny snipped misses pretty much the whole point of the NGD, which is to advocate for a major revolution in dealing with environmental issues and climate change. NR/you are offering a laughably weak argument.

And believe it or not, cow farts are actually an issue. They release methane (CH4) which is a potent greenhouse gas. Look it up, educate yourself.

No **** Sherlock.
You fart too. Look it up.

 

[rjay]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729035/Green-New-Deal-FAQ.pdf

Read her own FAQ on the matter.

Too many people are reading 'unwilling to work' and thinking unambitious. These words appeared in the FAC but not in the content. I suggest we get more clarity before
jumping to any conclusions based on those three words.

For instance I am two years away from retirement. There is a very good chance that in four years time I will be 'unwilling to work'. I may do volunteer work but I would be unwilling to tie myself down to a job where I have to show up every day. The one thing I will demand from my retirement is the ability to have complete control over what I do, and when I do it. If the wife lets me

 

[noonereal]

This is not only a condition of capitalism or the United States. Sorry that you were born on a planet where you have to earn your living, no one is your slave.



Wanting a living to be unearned is not enlightened.

you are primal in thought, common among the red hats. It serves it's purposes for the tribe but it also holds back the tribe.

A necessary evil we must endure.

 

[Acadia]

I haven't read any Cult members thanking her yet, you must be the first. If The Cult really wants her to be reelected and used as a foil, they should be building her up, not tearing her down.

In the end it won't matter who or what type of politician runs for Congress, Numnuts is his own worst enemy...

We can do both, actually.:lol: AOC is firmly in the "there is no such thing as bad press" camp.

 

[Fletch]

ANOTHER AOC thread!

There is dangerous levels of AOC on the forum, if we do not turn back now and stop posting so many, it could create a tear in the space-time continuum.

state TV and AM radio must have her on heavy rotation. that's usually the case when right wingers start eight hundred threads about something.

Im sorry, are these AOC threads interrupting the 10,000th Collusion Truther thread here at DP?

The woman is in the news. I get that she is an embarrassment to the left, but thats just too bad, isnt it.

 

[Acadia]

Im sorry, are these AOC threads interrupting the 10,000th Collusion Truther thread here at DP?

The woman is in the news. I get that she is an embarrassment to the left, but thats just too bad, isnt it.

There will never be enough "muh orange man bad derp" threads:lol:

 

[Bullseye]

As part of her New Green Deal, AOC wants to pay people for fogging a mirror. Can't you just feel the meteoric rise to the middle and call to greatness and prosperity?:roll:

"Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) and Ed Markey (D., Mass.) introduced a Green New Deal bill Thursday that, in addition to transitioning the U.S. entirely to renewable energy in ten years, promises to provide “economic security for those unable or unwilling to work.”

Since arriving in Washington in January, Ocasio-Cortez has prioritized the implementation of a Green New Deal and, in her frequent media appearances, has emphasized its potential as a means to pursue “economic justice” while drastically reducing carbon emissions over the next decade.

In drafting the proposal, Ocasio-Cortez and her fellow progressive lawmakers appear to have envisioned that the trillions of dollars in new government spending it would require would be financed entirely on credit.

“How will you pay for it,” reads a frequently-asked-questions document that accompanied the bill.“The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment.”
With the exception of the brief mention of a “carbon tax,” which the FAQ document claims “misses the point,” there is no mention of any additional taxes to cover the cost of spending.

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In addition to providing “economic security for those unable or unwilling to work,” the plan also promises to create “millions of good, high-wage jobs” for willing Americans. Many of those new federal employees would presumably assist in the 14 major clean-energy-infrastructure projects the plan calls for.

In defending the breadth and scope of the proposal, which also includes 15 “social and economic justice and security” requirements, Ocasio-Cortez has likened it to the mobilization effort that preceded World War II, and conceded that it qualifies as a “moonshot” idea."



Kennedy's moonshot was a call to greatness and pushing the boundaries of human achievement. AOC's "moonshot" is a call to suck on the government teat and have us become a socialist mecca.

And not JUST pay them, but pay them a "living wage" capable of supporting a family comfortably. :shock:

 

[Fletch]

There will never be enough "muh orange man bad derp" threads:lol:

Cant have any threads that expose liberals as morons or distract from their TDS.

 

[veritas1]

Of course she thinks so. We're paying her after all.

 

[sangha]

I did not read your post but I did want to point out that one of the primary laws of Zen is "NO WORK.....THEN NO EATS!".

In Buddhist nations, there is a long history of Buddhist monks not working and depending on handouts for food.

 

[Hypothetical]

mandatory work at whatever is needed until 40, then you get a living wage to do what you want with.

ok people, lets get to it. I am waiting on my check here... also gonna need 10 years backpay!

 

[sangha]

And again, read my post. There is literally nothing in the actual framework that says anything about setting up a massive welfare state. Thus, if the most powerful objection you've got is literally one word in a FAQ that was pulled almost immediately, then it seems like you've got nothing.

I see no proof that the document in that link comes from AOC