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Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

Amen. I worked my ass off, continue to work, live within my means and save, save, save. I'm not going to pay because some lazy, greedy, impetuous dufii didn't have the personal responsibility to plan for their future.

I tried calling her office but she wasn't answering her phone and her message box was full.

I had a simple question. I travel for work. I usually have to end up there the same day i leave unless it is an international flight.
i wanted to ask her how i am supposed to work as she wants to get rid of planes.

it would make my job impossible. The day i travel i usually have to go into the office.
So i am glad she is going to be giving me all this free stuff because i would lose my job as i can't travel.
and you can't run a train to Europe.
 
I tried calling her office but she wasn't answering her phone and her message box was full.

I had a simple question. I travel for work. I usually have to end up there the same day i leave unless it is an international flight.
i wanted to ask her how i am supposed to work as she wants to get rid of planes.

it would make my job impossible. The day i travel i usually have to go into the office.
So i am glad she is going to be giving me all this free stuff because i would lose my job as i can't travel.
and you can't run a train to Europe.

You know the oligarch Democrats aren't going to be giving up their private planes! Sheila Jackson Lee only goes first class, baby!
We chattle will have to herded into train box cars and get tossed out when the train passes our destination. Stopping and starting would use to much energy!
 
As part of her New Green Deal, AOC wants to pay people for fogging a mirror. Can't you just feel the meteoric rise to the middle and call to greatness and prosperity?:roll:

"Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) and Ed Markey (D., Mass.) introduced a Green New Deal bill Thursday that, in addition to transitioning the U.S. entirely to renewable energy in ten years, promises to provide “economic security for those unable or unwilling to work.”

Since arriving in Washington in January, Ocasio-Cortez has prioritized the implementation of a Green New Deal and, in her frequent media appearances, has emphasized its potential as a means to pursue “economic justice” while drastically reducing carbon emissions over the next decade.

In drafting the proposal, Ocasio-Cortez and her fellow progressive lawmakers appear to have envisioned that the trillions of dollars in new government spending it would require would be financed entirely on credit.

“How will you pay for it,” reads a frequently-asked-questions document that accompanied the bill.“The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment.”
With the exception of the brief mention of a “carbon tax,” which the FAQ document claims “misses the point,” there is no mention of any additional taxes to cover the cost of spending.

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In addition to providing “economic security for those unable or unwilling to work,” the plan also promises to create “millions of good, high-wage jobs” for willing Americans. Many of those new federal employees would presumably assist in the 14 major clean-energy-infrastructure projects the plan calls for.

In defending the breadth and scope of the proposal, which also includes 15 “social and economic justice and security” requirements, Ocasio-Cortez has likened it to the mobilization effort that preceded World War II, and conceded that it qualifies as a “moonshot” idea."



Kennedy's moonshot was a call to greatness and pushing the boundaries of human achievement. AOC's "moonshot" is a call to suck on the government teat and have us become a socialist mecca.

It always amazes me how the far socialist left is willing to pay people who are able to work but don't want to. I just can't shake my head enough. Screw 'em. They believe it's up to the rich to pay people who don't even want to work in the first place.
 
you prefer to leave every discussion with the opinion that you came into it with regardless of facts, data, charts, or anything else. this is why i don't discuss health care with you anymore.

IE you can't dispute the fact that they just canceled 50k needed surgeries.
You know i was going to post the article that one lady there has a tumor.
that tumor causes a ton of other medical issues.

she has had her surgery canceled 3 times by their UHC system with another time being she had no one to take care of her kids.
This are called facts and we know you don't like to deal with those because you can't.

sorry i don't know why you hate your health
you don't discuss it because all you have are copy and paste posts.

same busted charts same busted arguments and you just copy and paste them in response.

you can't actually disuss the topic because you frankly don't know anything about it.

when shown why things are more expensive here you ignore it.
when shown that other countries perfect UHC systems are severely flawed you ignore it.

which is why you always deflect when challenged by anyone, and never address any argument.
 
in the time that it took you to type that, Fox probably ran five stories about her. you should go check.

Yeah, its called news. The woman is in the news so it is discussed here. Are you unaware of how this site works? If you are jonesing for another Collusion Truther thread, go start one .
 
IE you can't dispute the fact that they just canceled 50k needed surgeries.
You know i was going to post the article that one lady there has a tumor.
that tumor causes a ton of other medical issues.

she has had her surgery canceled 3 times by their UHC system with another time being she had no one to take care of her kids.
This are called facts and we know you don't like to deal with those because you can't.

sorry i don't know why you hate your health
you don't discuss it because all you have are copy and paste posts.

same busted charts same busted arguments and you just copy and paste them in response.

you can't actually disuss the topic because you frankly don't know anything about it.

when shown why things are more expensive here you ignore it.
when shown that other countries perfect UHC systems are severely flawed you ignore it.

which is why you always deflect when challenged by anyone, and never address any argument.

refer to earlier discussions in which you ignored the data and charts. i don't care enough about your opinion to repeat myself in endless quotefarms, as you don't debate honestly.
 
Yeah, its called news. The woman is in the news so it is discussed here. Are you unaware of how this site works? If you are jonesing for another Collusion Truther thread, go start one .

i'm well aware of how the site works, thanks.
 
Not really. But much of the first world is mired in a system they cannot escape from.

the majority of them wouldn't trade health care models with us.
 
refer to earlier discussions in which you ignored the data and charts. i don't care enough about your opinion to repeat myself in endless quotefarms, as you don't debate honestly.

i debate more honestly than you do.
PS it isnt my opinion lmao it is experts facts that are in the articles that you ignore because you can't
argue against them.

No busted your constant copy paste charts with actual facts.
 
i'm well aware of how the site works, thanks.

Doesnt seem like it. All I hear from you is whining when someone brings up a topic that makes your side look bad. You dont care how many thousands of anti-Trump threads pop up here, but a couple appear about that dunce Alexandria Ocasio Palin and you make a stink.
 
We are all conscripted into a capitalist system by birth here in the USA. This represents a hardship to many who may well be very good in a traditional hunter gatherer roll.

You may well see them as able to work yet their born talents may be at odds with the system we have making it a hardship you just don't understand.

Lot's to this and it's multi dimensional but long story short, those that are lucky enough to thrive in a capitalistic based system have an obligation to support those that the system has marginalized or created a hardship for.

You think through a very narrow perspective. A form of brainwashing which is natural to humans. You need to try to enlighten your thoughts.

People who have a hunter gatherer mindset usually end up in Montana, Alaska, etc... as homesteaders or there are a million other options if they get bored with that. Do you think a hunter gatherer brought into the future today would be impressed with our opportunities including homesteading or do you think they'd rather go back to hunter/gathering? Do you think they would be impressed that 10 minutes worth of work pouring coffee at Starbucks would earn them enough to buy a jar of over 500 peanuts crushed into butter?
 
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the majority of them wouldn't trade health care models with us.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

medical tourism to the US has been increasing and people paying the price so they can get the medical attention they need
because their own countries medical can't handle it or is too crowded that it takes them forever to see a doctor or get a surgery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/uk-national-health-service.html

you just keep spouting generalized statements with 0 support.
 
It always amazes me how the far socialist left is willing to pay people who are able to work but don't want to. I just can't shake my head enough. Screw 'em. They believe it's up to the rich to pay people who don't even want to work in the first place.

The rich are the bad guys now:roll: Achieving and realizing the American dream is reason for punishment and confiscation of wealth. They are robbers without the guns.
 
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

medical tourism to the US has been increasing and people paying the price so they can get the medical attention they need
because their own countries medical can't handle it or is too crowded that it takes them forever to see a doctor or get a surgery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/uk-national-health-service.html

you just keep spouting generalized statements with 0 support.

As you spout half truths and downright misrepresentations.
The NHS is not the only healthcare provision in Britain. It also has an active private healthcare sector providing elective treatments for less than they would cost in the USA. The only "health tourists" the US gets from the UK would be those in search of rarer more exotic treatments unavailable anywhere else.
 
As for paying those who are unwilling to work, it costs no more than paying those unable to work, and those numbers are bound to increase, very soon. Robots are taking over. There will be few if any jobs for humans. The time for a universal income is fast approaching.
 
People who have a hunter gatherer mindset usually end up in Montana, Alaska, etc... as homesteaders or there are a million other options if they get bored with that.

They most certainly do not.

You are being much to literal.

You completely missed the point.

There are many types of personalities that cannot be successful in a capitalistic system.
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My post went totally over your head.

peace
 
As for paying those who are unwilling to work, it costs no more than paying those unable to work, and those numbers are bound to increase, very soon. Robots are taking over. There will be few if any jobs for humans. The time for a universal income is fast approaching.

People have been talking about automation taking jobs since what, the 1920's? The national unemployment rate is currently 4.0%.
 
Doesnt seem like it. All I hear from you is whining when someone brings up a topic that makes your side look bad. You dont care how many thousands of anti-Trump threads pop up here, but a couple appear about that dunce Alexandria Ocasio Palin and you make a stink.

i didn't make a stink. i speculated that state TV and AM radio pundits have her in heavy rotation. i would further speculate that i am correct, as is evidenced by the frequency of Trumpist threads with her as the topic.
 
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

medical tourism to the US has been increasing and people paying the price so they can get the medical attention they need
because their own countries medical can't handle it or is too crowded that it takes them forever to see a doctor or get a surgery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/uk-national-health-service.html

you just keep spouting generalized statements with 0 support.

i suppose that Rand Paul and seniors who visit Canada for care and medication are an equal argument against the inefficient and overpriced US system, then?

right. i thought not. don't bother to quote me in the next health care thread.
 
i didn't make a stink. i speculated that state TV and AM radio pundits have her in heavy rotation. i would further speculate that i am correct, as is evidenced by the frequency of Trumpist threads with her as the topic.

Thats ridiculous . She is on EVERY news channel and EVERYONE is talking about her including EVERY democratic candidate for president. The idea that this is a right wing generated story is idiotic.
 
Got to be the dumbest proposal on the "Green Deal".
 
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