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should the U.S.A use napalm in afghanistan

The Saint said:
the only problem with that is that now they are rocket men. if a bullet hits the fuel tank BOOM!!! everyone around is dead. and we waste all that jet fuel.
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Kevlar encased fuel tanks. Simple fix.
 
Alvin T. Grey said:
Besides it worked so well in Columbia and Belize. Or maybe Cocoa plants are flame retardant..
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I'm not a fan of the war on drugs, I think we need smart policy. It kills me to think though that our options are narrowed down in debate politically to an unfriendly Taliban rule that reduces opium, or a free people who choose to grow opium.
 
Iwa said:
:D lawlssssss
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Here is an experement. Get a full keg of beer. Strap it on. Add 12lbs of kevlar. Run around the mountains while people are shooting at you. Do the above at altitude. In desert conditions. At night.

If you don't get hit and take out your squad in a very bright, very hot, very terminal way. You can drink the darn beer while both your broken legs are being set.

Helps numb the pain.
 
Alvin T. Grey said:
Here is an experement. Get a full keg of beer. Strap it on. Add 12lbs of kevlar. Run around the mountains while people are shooting at you. Do the above at altitude. In desert conditions. At night.

If you don't get hit and take out your squad in a very bright, very hot, very terminal way. You can drink the darn beer while both your broken legs are being set.

Helps numb the pain.
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Thats so touching..*sniffZ* i have to try that now... that really hit the spot man... *sobZ*
 
Iwa said:
Thats so touching..*sniffZ* i have to try that now... that really hit the spot man... *sobZ*
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Jeez. You'ld do anything for beer wouldn't you?:mrgreen:








BTW, It's the Army not the Airforce.
Domestic only.

Sorry.
 
Isn't the use of napalm banned by the Geneva Conventions? And don't we have something better in use now, the thermobaric bomb?
 
I love this hypocritical jack-assery.

We pretend so hard to be above history's barbarians. We issue mottos like "as a last resort" in order to preserve our sense of moral superiority over others. We claim to "support the troop," but insist his job be as dangerous as possible while weapons that might make us look bad rot on shelves. In the end, we march just like history's barbarians. Of course, those barbarians of old didn't have to worry about creating an illusion for the people back home in their quest to win wars and kill an enemy.

Napalm? Heaven's no. A piece of lead shredding a man's skin and organs and shattering bone is the humane way to kill. It's the morally right way.
 
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MSgt said:
I love this hypocritical jack-assery.

We pretend so hard to be above history's barbarians. We issue mottos like "as a last resort" in order to preserve our sense of moral superiority over others. We claim to "support the troop," but insist his job be as dangerous as possible while weapons that might make us look bad rot on shelves. In the end, we march just like history's barbarians. Of course, those barbarians of old didn't have to worry about creating an illusion for the people back home in their quest to win wars and kill an enemy.

Napalm? Heaven's no. A piece of lead shredding a man's skin and organs and shattering bone is the humane way to kill. It's the morally right way.
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Don't worry MSgt, they are coming out with that radar array they can mount on Humvees that will do nothing more than give the sensation of a mild sunburn to our enemies. That will show them....
 
WI Crippler said:
Don't worry MSgt, they are coming out with that radar array they can mount on Humvees that will do nothing more than give the sensation of a mild sunburn to our enemies. That will show them....
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Ah. ...The Clinton years where the RMA promised an array of non-lethal weapons that would change the nature of wafare after thousands of years.
 
MSgt said:
I love this hypocritical jack-assery.

We pretend so hard to be above history's barbarians. We issue mottos like "as a last resort" in order to preserve our sense of moral superiority over others. We claim to "support the troop," but insist his job be as dangerous as possible while weapons that might make us look bad rot on shelves. In the end, we march just like history's barbarians. Of course, those barbarians of old didn't have to worry about creating an illusion for the people back home in their quest to win wars and kill an enemy.

Napalm? Heaven's no. A piece of lead shredding a man's skin and organs and shattering bone is the humane way to kill. It's the morally right way.
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Well, actually, as you are already aware of, only full metal jacketed ball ammuntion is legal to use in ground warfare.

There ain't alotta difference between getting blowed up and burned up.
 
I cannot see any tactical advantage in using Napalm as a weapon in Afghanistan. Not to mention the fallout with the Afghans themselves if you dropped it on the wrong people. I know public opinion of America aint great there but you dont wanna stoke the fire anymore then it is.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I cannot see any tactical advantage in using Napalm as a weapon in Afghanistan. Not to mention the fallout with the Afghans themselves if you dropped it on the wrong people. I know public opinion of America aint great there but you dont wanna stoke the fire anymore then it is.
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You really think it comes down to that? I don't. It has everything to do with our illusions of what we pretend we are. If we drop Napalm, then we are savages. If we drop a nuke, then we are barbarians who have no respect for life. No...instead we choose to shelve these weapons that would save our "soldier's" lives and opt instead to send them into harms way to kill humanely, which draws out our wars needlessly, guarantees further bloodshed, and costs much more. All this in the name of preserving our own illusions of self identity, which the rest of the world ("friends" and foes) pick apart anyway. If they are going to force a certain reputation upon us, then maybe would should at least earn it.

...can you sense the bitter?
 
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Jetboogieman said:
I cannot see any tactical advantage in using Napalm as a weapon in Afghanistan. Not to mention the fallout with the Afghans themselves if you dropped it on the wrong people. I know public opinion of America aint great there but you dont wanna stoke the fire anymore then it is.
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IMO, We need to stop fretting on what Afghanistan thinks about us. Afghans have turned out to be notoriously deceitful and corrupt. Afghans betray each other like it's a running inside joke. Even the Afghans themselves joke about how easily their fighter jump to the other side. Look how the Afghan government has undermined all the work we put into that nation.

I think the US has been taken for a ride all along. They've just been telling us what we wanna hear. I think it's pretty safe to say that these Afghans have no interest in democracy and would rather spend the rest of their lives in caves. The only Afghan i ever liked was Ahmed Shah Massaod and it's unfortunate that he's not involved in this Afghan war because i think he's the only one that new how to win battles in those mountains. I think the strategic assassination on him says it all....Osama new he was a viable threat.

I think we should double up on the drones and scale way back on troops in the field. Put our faith in the intel on the ground. Try carpet style attacks for a change and maybe introduce the MOAB to the Afghan/Pak border region? Too much?
 
PonyBoy said:
IMO, We need to stop fretting on what Afghanistan thinks about us. Afghans have turned out to be notoriously deceitful and corrupt. Afghans betray each other like it's a running inside joke. Even the Afghans themselves joke about how easily their fighter jump to the other side. Look how the Afghan government has undermined all the work we put into that nation.

I think the US has been taken for a ride all along. They've just been telling us what we wanna hear. I think it's pretty safe to say that these Afghans have no interest in democracy and would rather spend the rest of their lives in caves. The only Afghan i ever liked was Ahmed Shah Massaod and it's unfortunate that he's not involved in this Afghan war because i think he's the only one that new how to win battles in those mountains. I think the strategic assassination on him says it all....Osama new he was a viable threat.

I think we should double up on the drones and scale way back on troops in the field. Put our faith in the intel on the ground. Try carpet style attacks for a change and maybe introduce the MOAB to the Afghan/Pak border region? Too much?
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I agree with your point to a certain extent. I have said it in the past, especially after the Afghan "election", that why should our guys be out their dying to protect such a corrupt system. As far as doubling up drones and so forth, it just seems like unless you take a million men into those mountains and check every cave, across every mountain and blow them all up. You'll never be able to get these guys from the air. They wised to airstrikes a long time ago, in the war with the soviets.
 
PonyBoy said:
IMO, We need to stop fretting on what Afghanistan thinks about us. Afghans have turned out to be notoriously deceitful and corrupt. Afghans betray each other like it's a running inside joke. Even the Afghans themselves joke about how easily their fighter jump to the other side. Look how the Afghan government has undermined all the work we put into that nation.

I think the US has been taken for a ride all along. They've just been telling us what we wanna hear. I think it's pretty safe to say that these Afghans have no interest in democracy and would rather spend the rest of their lives in caves. The only Afghan i ever liked was Ahmed Shah Massaod and it's unfortunate that he's not involved in this Afghan war because i think he's the only one that new how to win battles in those mountains. I think the strategic assassination on him says it all....Osama new he was a viable threat.

I think we should double up on the drones and scale way back on troops in the field. Put our faith in the intel on the ground. Try carpet style attacks for a change and maybe introduce the MOAB to the Afghan/Pak border region? Too much?
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The US got itself into an unnecessary mess in the first place. Try some cruise missiles and tie an arab to each one before launch.
 
Iwa said:
The US got itself into an unnecessary mess in the first place. Try some cruise missiles and tie an arab to each one before launch.
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Why Arabs? Afghanis aren't Arabs, they're a Turkic ethnic group
 
UtahBill said:
Use it on the opium fields.....
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No point....currently US troops are being ordered to turn a blind-eye to opium production in Afghanistan.
Dont forget...alot of the opium grown in Afghanistan IS NOT sold to fund terrorism...most people are just trying to make a living. The opium market is at an all time low in general mostly because of the stability being seen in much of the country. The farmers are confident to put their effort into other crops and stop selling to the Taliban and AQ.
Some of the poorest people are being affected by the loss of income from drugs as cultivation declines. So how would we fight drugs and poverty at the same time? In other
words, the world will not condone counter-narcotic measures that result in humanitarian disasters (Golden Triangle)
If there is one concrete measure that the Government and its development assistance partners can
take now to ensure Afghanistan’s future

repeter said:
Isn't the use of napalm banned by the Geneva Conventions? And don't we have something better in use now, the thermobaric bomb?
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The United Nations convention DID in fact make napalm illegal in 1980...the USA never signed it. The US took napalm-B out of service in the 70's and completed the destruction of it's last stocks on 4 April, 2001. So technically use of Napalm by US forces is still NOT illegal, it's just not produced anymore.....but then again Napalm-B wasn't technically actually Napalm (mixture of polystyrene and benzene if we want to be all scientific about it) But we in fact now have a new, more leathal "son of napalm" known as "fuel-gel mixture" which is contained in Mark-77 fire bombs. The fuel-gel mixture has pretty much the exact same properties and applications as that of naplam. It HAS been used on targets such as tanks, enemy troops AND railroad tunnels...one would think it would also be effective on caves.
 
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Benzin388 said:
Some of the poorest people are being affected by the loss of income from drugs as cultivation declines. So how would we fight drugs and poverty at the same time?
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This is happening already. The government has soil researchers and organizations over there that are looking to replace the opium field income with a huge wheat market. As the program develops, the opium fields will begin to disappear.
 
If the situation calls for it, then absolutely.
 
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