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good for you for not swallowing what is posted without skepticism
but do you mind posting a link to your source, because i do not see one
LOL...An anonymous freeper, nicked 'icwhatudo', posted what he found about the Frost's on goggle with no fact checking and the cons (including wingnut pundits) swallowed the bait, hook line and sinker.
Here are the facts that the right-wing distorted in order to attack young Graeme:
1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.
2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
3) They bought their “lavish house” sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.
4) Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.
An anonymous freeper, no nickname, over on Think Progress
Think Progress » Right Wing Launches Baseless Smear Campaign Against 12 Year Old Recipient Of SCHIP
LOL...An anonymous freeper, nicked 'icwhatudo', posted what he found about the Frost's on goggle with no fact checking and the cons (including wingnut pundits) swallowed the bait, hook line and sinker.
Here are the facts that the right-wing distorted in order to attack young Graeme:
1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.
2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
3) They bought their “lavish house” sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.
4) Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.
LOL...a 'freeper' is from the Free Republic blog.dixon76710 said:An anonymous freeper, no nickname, over on Think Progress
Why do you believe an anonymous poster (like you or I)?RightinNYC said:Why are you believing what the article at ThinkProgress is saying?
Your evidence is...an anonymous 'freeper'.RightinNYC said:What evidence do they have that they're right and the other guy is wrong?
I haven't seen a claim that the daughter was attending a private school before the accident, that costs $40,000 a year, much less proof.RightinNYC said:Also, this has nothing to do with the fact that BEFORE the accident, she was attending a private school that cost $40,000 a year.
Probably worth?...You don't know?RightinNYC said:don't you find it a bit disturbing that someone living in a 3000+ sqft house worth probably $600,000+ is getting public assistance meant to cover the poorest people in society?
Another 'probably worth'?RightinNYC said:the guy owns his own company including a building probably worth ~$250,000.
How much does he receive? Enough to support a family of 6?RightinNYC said:He also rents out a portion of the building to another tenant.
You've seen his W-2s?RightinNYC said:This guy is not in poverty.
Why do you believe an anonymous poster (like you or I)?
Think Progress doesn't hide behind anonymity.
Your evidence is...an anonymous 'freeper'.
Didn't say 'their' evidence was incorrect, just that 'they' didn't tell the whole story
I haven't seen a claim that the daughter was attending a private school before the accident, that costs $40,000 a year, much less proof.
Probably worth?...You don't know?
If they bought it for $55,000, fixed it up and it is now worth more, seems like they're trying to make their lives better, rather than sitting on their butt saying, gimme, gimme. Isn't that the whole idea with assistance? If they sell their house, where would they live, move to another dump and start all over again. Continue the cycle?? That doesn't sound like progress.
Another 'probably worth'?
He's a carpenter, how do you know his company isn't HIM. Lots of people incorporate themselves.
How much does he receive? Enough to support a family of 6?
You've seen his W-2s?
LOL...a 'freeper' is from the Free Republic blog.
No need for a nick, they put their real name on an article.
It was posted by Faiz Shakir.
Over at Think Progress they aren't afraid to have their pics and a bio posted.
Pics and Bios
i am waiting for this to be counteredDo you remember Jennifer? Probably not. First Lady Hillary Clinton, who helped turn Jennifer into a national political prop for health care reform in 1994, must be very grateful that we've all forgotten the poor little girl from Coral Springs. Jennifer's story, which took a shocking but largely unnoticed twist last week, is not merely a case of legislation-by-anecdote run amok.
It's poster child abuse.
Six years ago, Jennifer's mother wrote a widely-publicized letter to the White House. "Do you know what it is like to choose between purchasing groceries for the week to feed your family or buying needed medications for your chronically ill child?" Kathleen Bush asked.
Pale and wan, young Jennifer suffered from unidentified chronic digestive problems and myriad ailments from birth. She had her gall bladder, appendix, and fragments of her intestines removed. Those organs were replaced with a tangled cable of feeding tubes that constricted Jennifer's 43-pound frame. Surgeons threaded a catheter into the girl's heart. After 200 hospital visits and 40 operations, the Bush family had racked up medical bills worth more than $2 million.
Puzzled doctors and nurses scratched their heads over Jennifer's 33,000-page medical file. The media ran maudlin profiles of the family. With TV crews in tow, saintly mother and sickly child headed up to Capitol Hill to campaign for Clinton-sponsored health insurance mandates.
......
Independent specialists conducted extensive tests on Jennifer and found no evidence of digestive disorders. When Jennifer was separated from her mother for treatment at a Cincinnati hospital, the starved child feasted mightily on pizza, hot dogs, and chocolate bars. Meanwhile, authorities discovered that while the Bush family claimed poverty because of Jennifer's health problems, they had splurged on trips to the Bahamas and Disney World, house remodeling, and a new Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
Dr. Eli Newberger, a professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School, concluded that nothing in Jennifer's extensive records indicated "that the child has any underlying illness except the suffering she has had to endure as a result of efforts to portray her as needing urgent care." Jennifer was removed from her family in 1996 and has been healthy ever since....
Last week, Kathleen Bush – Hillary Clinton's once-proud and loud sister in arms -- was sentenced to five years in prison on two counts of aggravated child abuse and one count of fraud. She also pled guilty to a separate count of welfare fraud for misrepresenting $60,000 in assets on Medicaid forms.
Michelle Malkin
I haven't seen a claim that the daughter was attending a private school before the accident, that costs $40,000 a year, much less proof.
Graeme Frost, who gave the democrat rebuttal to George Bush’s reasons for vetoing the SCHIP Bill, is a middle school student at the exclusive$20,000 per year Park School in Baltimore, MD....
His sister Gemma, also severely injured in the accident, attended the same school prior to the accident meaning the family was able to come up with nearly $40,000 per year for tuition for these 2 grade schoolers.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1907687/posts
Tuition for 2007-2008 Lower School $19,530
Middle School $19,530
Upper School $21,080
Park School Admission : Cost & Financial Assistance
Members of the Park Community joined together last Saturday and raised over $4000 for Gemma ’16 and Graeme ’13 Frost, who were seriously in-
jured in a car accident on Hillside Avenue in November....
According to Hoitsma, who teaches Gemma, 80 Park stu-dents entered the Fun Run.
http://64.233.169.104/u/ParkSchool?...5.pdf+gemma&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&ie=UTF-8
2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/08/attacking-graeme-frost/
Tuition rates does not equal what the Frost's paid.RightinNYC said:Here's a link to the school's webpage that shows tuition to be $20,000 a year ($40,000 for two kids, not one, my mistake)
You mean the one about the fundraiser?RightinNYC said:Here's a copy of the school newsletter which identifies both children as students:
Maryland Department of Assessments and Taxation assess the Frost's home at $263,140 on 01/01/2006 and $223,986 on 07/01/2007 and you put it at $600,000. Quite a difference, even given that tax assessments are generally lower than market price. Give it another week and it could be a million...LOL.RightinNYC said:I say "probably worth $600,000" because a house down the street from them that was 1,000 sqft smaller just sold for $485,000. $600,000 is a very conservative estimate.
The selling price and date of the Frost's home is right there on anonymous freeper 'icwhatudo''s link to the Maryland Department of Assessments and TaxationRightinNYC said:These are demonstrable facts. The tidbits in the ThinkProgress article are not.
Again the Maryland Department of Assessments and Taxation puts the commercial property, on which the primary structure was built in 1920, hardly a new, modern site at $160,500 in 2005 and again in 2007, yet you put it at $250,000.RightinNYC said:I say "probably worth $250,000" because he bought the building for $160,000 in 1999. With what happened in the RE market since then, $250,000 is a reasonable estimate.
If you need more space than a backyard will allow you, you do.RightinNYC said:Indeed they do. However, most people don't buy 200 thousand dollar buildings for businesses of 1.
The S-CHIP program allows some states, on approval, certain percentages above the poverty line.RightinNYC said:He claims to make only $45,000. Even if that's true, that's nearly twice the poverty line. Therefore, my statement of "this guy is not in poverty" is quite factual.
I've seen evidence that they attended the school, not how the Frost's paid.dixon76710 said:The Free Republic said she attended the Park Private school BEFORE the accident. The fact she attends a different private school now, doesn't change the fact that her and her brother attended the Park school before the accident.
If public schools can't accommodate an impaired child they must provide an alternative. It's actually cheaper to 'outsource' than to fully fund a facility that may go unused after the child moves on.dixon76710 said:And the fact that the government pays for her Health Insurance AND her expensive private school, doesnt really bolster the arguements supporting increased eligibility for Government health insurance.
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