Krystov
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No paying for reversals though.
I agree with everything but this. We should be doing everything we can to encourage people who are married and financially stable to have more children, and the reversals are far far more expensive than the initial procedures. Paying for reversals not only encourages people to get the procedure done in the first place, but it allows people to reverse it when the time is right.
I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
Paying for a kid to go to school costs about $20k/year. Locking someone up in prison costs about $40k/year. No clue how much food stamps, housing assistance, or child/family services cost, but they ain't cheap.
Paying for contraceptives costs...what, $500/year, at most?
Those are just the direct costs of someone having a kid. We can't even quantify the indirect costs unwanted kids have on the parents, how they can stop them from having a brighter future and becoming more productive citizens. (Exceptions exist, but the majority will be bogged down by their unwanted kid and live, less productively, in poverty.)
As I've said before:
You'd have to be an idiot to ignore the costs to society of NOT paying for contraceptives, and a hypocrite for then complaining of people being an irresponsible and unproductive burden on society when you shirk responsibility for choosing to deny them a cost effective means of avoiding that situation.
I agree with everything but this. We should be doing everything we can to encourage people who are married and financially stable to have more children, and the reversals are far far more expensive than the initial procedures. Paying for reversals not only encourages people to get the procedure done in the first place, but it allows people to reverse it when the time is right.
Yes. My rghts and libertes are more protected when women can get the inexpensive, or free BC pills even if my taxes pay for them. Yup, a practical solution.I swear we did a thread just like this a few weeks ago and it came out with a resounding no.
In any case, I agree with how that turned out as people should be paying for what they need on their own and taxes should be for the protection of our rights and liberties.
Being on contraceptives is responsible behavior in my book. Having sex without protecting yourself from unwanted pregnancy is bad behavior.
I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
Any woman who qualifies for medical assistance should be able to get birth control under that insurance. If we ever managed to join the developed world and have a single-payer system, birth control should be covered on that as well.
Using contraception is not "bad behavior," and the mind-blowing degree of ignorance it requires for someone to think that is just so beyond me I can't even comprehend it. Using contraception is good, responsible behavior.
I’ll pay for your contraception ladies if I’m the one helping you use them.I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
If we want to encourage personal responsibility we should be covering contraception, not making it more difficult to obtain. How in the world does increasing access to birth control enable bad behavior? Do you think sex is bad behavior?I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
What I don't understand is why in America does everything have to be all or nothing? Why do we either all have to pay for birth control or none of us?
If it's going to be done by a government healthcare, why not have an opt-out ability, so those who do not wish to pay for birth control won't have to, but also won't be able to receive the benefits.
If it's going to be done by private healthcare, some insurance providers will cover it, and some won't. The ones that do cover it will get substantially more business than those who don't, making it financially viable for them.
Hell, there could even be an opt-out ability in private health care.
Why do we have to force any one anything on everyone?
Pregnancy is not a disease that needs to be prevented or treated, and chemical contraceptives do precisely zero to prevent STD's.
From a public health standpoint, the only form of birth control that can be rationally justified is condoms. Anything else ought to be paid for out of pocket.
You could say that about anything. Why not just have opt-in/out for every single thing we're taxed for? I don't want to pay for the wars. Should I be allowed to opt out?
That's not viable and would turn our government into even more of a mess than it already is. This isn't an "American" thing. This is a "government" thing.
The "American" part of it is that we can't ever seem to pony up to the fact that we're a society and we have to function like one. That means you won't like every single thing you're taxed for. I sure as hell don't. But you win some and you lose some, and you put in your influence when you can, and stop resenting people who don't think like you to the point where you try to act like they belong to some other country in all but name.
I say no. Being able to get these things at the expense of others not only enables bad behavior, but reinforces the entitlement ideology. Men and women should take responsibility for their decisions, not get a free ride to be irresponsible.
Pregnancy is not a disease that needs to be prevented or treated, and chemical contraceptives do precisely zero to prevent STD's.
From a public health standpoint, the only form of birth control that can be rationally justified is condoms. Anything else ought to be paid for out of pocket.
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