Should schools teach proper history?

[CaughtInThe]

 

[reflechissez]

I'm not sure I see your point. Are you saying that you think the slavery in other countries in history wasn't "racist," or are you saying that you think that racism was the worse thing about slavery in the US compared to other countries?


More importantly, do you think there were ANY groups of people 100+years ago who weren't, on the whole, racist?

He didn't say any of those things.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Teach it all at the appropriate age level to build foundations for greater net of historical knowledge.

What the right doesn’t get is that when we teach the bad history, you can see greatness when you see a change from the bad actions and history…and to help identify it for the present and the future.

 

[Lutherf]

Teach it all at the appropriate age level to build foundations for greater net of historical knowledge.

What the right doesn’t get is that when we teach the bad history, you can see greatness when you see a change from the bad actions and history…and to help identify it for the present and the future.

What the Left doesn't get is that our teaching of history has been pretty ****ing well rounded over the years and that we haven't been ignoring a damned thing.

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Just because we don't have 8 semesters on "Why America has always sucked" doesn't mean we're ignoring anything.

 

[trixare4kids]

Even if that history paints America in a very, very bad light.

I voted yes.
Are you under the impression that public schools are sugar-coating history, or not teaching it? Please give examples.

 

[BirdinHand]

What the Left doesn't get is that our teaching of history has been pretty ****ing well rounded over the years and that we haven't been ignoring a damned thing.

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Just because we don't have 8 semesters on "Why America has always sucked" doesn't mean we're ignoring anything.

Yeah, Social Studies (it isn't even simply HISTORY) requirements are varied...

X credits of US History/US Geography
X credits of World History/Culture/International Geography
X credits of Government/Civics/Economics

So, considering how vast ALL of those topics are...you're maybe focusing a week or two on any given decade, time period, etc. Not really IN-DEPTH study.

 

[Tigerace117]

What the Left doesn't get is that our teaching of history has been pretty ****ing well rounded over the years and that we haven't been ignoring a damned thing.

-edit-

Just because we don't have 8 semesters on "Why America has always sucked" doesn't mean we're ignoring anything.

Lol yeah, that’s why the Lost Cause has clung on for so long

 

[bomberfox]

we've been here before...


"For much of the 20th century, southern classrooms treated Black history — when they touched the subject at all — as a sideshow to a white-dominated narrative.

Teachers taught students to sing Dixie and memorize long lists of forgettable governors. Civil War battles got described in detail. Textbooks celebrated the violent overthrow of democratically-elected, multiracial governments. Lynching went unmentioned. The evils of slavery got cursory acknowledgments — and quick dismissals.

“It should be noted that slavery was the earliest form of social security in the United States,” a 1961 Alabama history textbook said, falsely. "

Holy shit. Im glad my history textbooks in Alabama didnt say that.

 

[j brown's body]

The headline is propaganda. Here's the salient part of the legislation from your link -

The legislation is designed to get propaganda OUT of the schools, not to replace education with propaganda.

Its vague enough to be used as a bludgeon on any teachers that teaches students about the consequences of racism in this country.

Even if one felt there was a need to stop teachers from teaching propaganda, and there isn't evidence of this problem, passing laws to stop it should make any self-respecting conservative cringe over this government overreach. This is the sort of thing Nazi and communist societies do.

 

[Fishking]

Even if that history paints America in a very, very bad light.

True history would be holistic in it's approach. So we could teach our atrocities but also put them in the context of the times and demonstrate the role we played in advancing human rights around the world. Western nations are not unique in their atrocities but what actually does make western nations unique is that we ended them on a scale no other culture in the world has.

 

[KingLeo]

Poorly worded question.
Why use 'proper'?
Why not just ask should schools teach actual history?
And that should include the good as well as the bad.

 

[Lutherf]

Its vague enough to be used as a bludgeon on any teachers that teaches students about the consequences of racism in this country.

Even if one felt there was a need to stop teachers from teaching propaganda, and there isn't evidence of this problem, passing laws to stop it should make any self-respecting conservative cringe over this government overreach. This is the sort of thing Nazi and communist societies do.

If it's vague then the headline should be "Florida passes vague law" rather than the propaganda that was posted.

 

[reflechissez]

Poorly worded question.
Why use 'proper'?
Why not just ask should schools teach actual history?
And that should include the good as well as the bad.

Probably a bad choice of phrasing. I mean actual history.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Even if that history paints America in a very, very bad light.

For young kids it is going to be sugar coated because the truth is pretty damn disgusting what happened in this country. But hell yeah they should eventually learn the reality of history, so as to not repeat it. Only racist, fake patriots want to hide some of the despicable stuff that happened in this country. Every country has their disgusting history, people should learn it so they don't let it happen again

Sure. But only if you are the one that decides what is "proper" or not. We damned sure don't want anyone to teach anything improper and mess up the whole system.

The people who should decide are the historians, those who are educated, not uneducated rubes that don't want to hear the truth. There are plenty of sources of historical facts out there. And its not some political hacks who should decide because it upsets their racist constituency

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

God forbid history should make someone feel uncomfortable.

/sarcasm

The only people history would make feel uncomfortable would be those on the side of the monsters. Who the heck would think teaching how shitty some people were to others make them feel uncomfortable or guilty?

Shoot it infuriates me seeing what assholes people can be in history, and still are today. The injustices. The 13th special on Netflix was really really infuriating. But the racists shitty people want their racism to be sugar coated and deemed acceptable. Like Putin's lies about his justification for his deplorable actions

 

[CaughtInThe]

Holy shit. Im glad my history textbooks in Alabama didnt say that.

a kid who used that 1961 Alabama textbook was between 8-17yo.


mumble mumble, carry the one...



that makes them around 69yo TODAY. and still voting.

 

[Noodlegawd]

He didn't say any of those things.

He said there were differences. I'm trying to figure out what he thinks they were. I'm sure he doesn't need you to come to his rescue.

 

[reflechissez]

He said there were differences. I'm trying to figure out what he thinks they were. I'm sure he doesn't need you to come to his rescue.

I'm sure he doesn't need you putting words in his mouth.

 

[Noodlegawd]

I'm sure he doesn't need you putting words in his mouth.

I didn't put words anywhere near his mouth. I asked his mouth to clarify what his mouth said. That's what "?" means.

But thanks for being such a hero and butting in on his behalf.

 

[reflechissez]

I didn't put words anywhere near his mouth. I asked his mouth to clarify what his mouth said. That's what "?" means.

But thanks for being such a hero and butting in on his behalf.

sure. bye

 

[Gatsby]

There is no such thing as "proper history." Every historical narrative is just that, a narrative. Written by someone who saw the world in a particular way.

 

[Bullseye]

Even if that history paints America in a very, very bad light.

Yep, good and bad. What we did well and what we FUBARed.

 

[Bullseye]

History, American history and world history, have been requirements in my home state since WAYYYYYY back then. I doubt thats been changed.

Seems like a silly question to ask quite frankly.

I think you are really asking "Should schools teach students that White people, especially the fabulously successful and prosperous European White Male, are inherently evil and 'racist', and responsible for most if not all of society's ills, and also preventing any non-European White Male person from succeeding in life?"

Is that what you are really asking? Because if it is then no, I dont think that should happen.

But for now I'll say "other", History is already taught in school..

I think he's saying the opposite

 

[HK.227]

There is no such thing as "proper history." Every historical narrative is just that, a narrative. Written by someone who saw the world in a particular way.

Yet it should also be noted that some scholars are better at recognizing bias than others, and some even brave enough to attempt to correct it.

 

[CLAX1911]

Even if that history paints America in a very, very bad light.

In order to do that you have to privatize schools governments make the curriculum governments approve the textbooks and they write themselves in as being the hero because they control the narrative.

I'm glad this can be a teachable moment for you. When you put the government in charge of something it does what the government wants not what you want and not what you think is right or proper.