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Should schools teach proper history?

Should schools teach proper history?

  • No.

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  • I don't believe in public education.

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  • Total voters
    40
What is "proper history"?
And what is im-proper history?
Yep - loaded term, especially when it comes to history.

Some will say "proper" history is only that which depicts America as a beacon of freeberty, rainbows, and Baby Jesus.
Others will say "proper" history is only that which depicts America as the Great Satan.

The truth is obviously much more complicated than either, but right now America has injected partisan politics into education to such a degree that I suspect a comprehensive, accurate, and honest look at history is impossible.
 

"A Florida state Senate committee on Thursday advanced a bill that would prohibit making white people feel "discomfort" when taught or trained about past discrimination in public schools and private businesses.

The bill, S.B. 148, would prevent school educators from teaching subjects that could make students feel responsible for historical wrongs based on their race, sex or national origin.

In private businesses, training or employment practices that make an individual feel uncomfortable on similar grounds could be subject to a company lawsuit for unlawful employment practices."

There is a link to the actual bill in the article.
God forbid history should make someone feel uncomfortable.

/sarcasm
 
You didn't answer my question.

I directly addressed it, actually.

Do you think that schools aren't teaching that the US (and the Spanish, French, and British colonies before it, as well as pretty much every other country in the world) had slavery, or that the settlement of the Americas by Europeans had a horrible effect on the indigenous population (just like pretty much every other example of colonialism in history), or that anyone of consequence objects to those facts being taught?

Yes, I do, and America's history books are written in Texas with a VERY sanitized depiction of history.




Got more questions for me?
 
I wonder if anyone else is doing a lesson comparing the Wilmington white riot of 1895 to the insurrection attempt in 2021.

Or doing a lesson that traces the history of red lining to the gap in value of homes owned by whites and blacks today.

Anyone teaching the connect between blacklists during the 1950s red scare to the attack on teaching racism in schools and the purging of books from school libraries today?

Anyone doing a lesson comparing FL's "Don't say gay" law to Florida's attack in gay teachers in the 1950s and early '60s?

Anyone doing lessons on the history of criminalizing black people to keep them from voting and how we see it today?

Anyone else doing a lesson on the reason why a plurality of Americans don't know the Civil War was fought over slavery and its extension, and what was taught in its place and why?

Anyone teaching how our policies in Central America have led to many Central Americans coming her today seeking asylum?

Anyone teaching how the battle to ban teaching about racism can be traced to the battle to ban the teaching of evolution?
 
You didn't answer my question. Do you think that schools aren't teaching that the US (and the Spanish, French, and British colonies before it, as well as pretty much every other country in the world) had slavery, or that the settlement of the Americas by Europeans had a horrible effect on the indigenous population (just like pretty much every other example of colonialism in history), or that anyone of consequence objects to those facts being taught?

Slavery in other societies should be covered in World History. High school students usually take that before US History. When they get to US history, they can compare the difference between our form of racist slavery with other society's. Then they will know the distinctive differences.
 
Not only should accurate and full history be taught, but so should current events such as legalized corruption and the power stranglehold of the super-rich and greedy powerful.

We've been sugar-coating things far too long, and look where it has gotten us.

What he said.
 
Probably a bad choice of phrasing. I mean actual history.



If actual history reveals various truths that have an ideological lean, should those lessons be banned?
Only if it is discovered that any teachers are teaching with prejudice for and or against the ideological lean rather than just to the historical truth.
 

"A Florida state Senate committee on Thursday advanced a bill that would prohibit making white people feel "discomfort" when taught or trained about past discrimination in public schools and private businesses.

The bill, S.B. 148, would prevent school educators from teaching subjects that could make students feel responsible for historical wrongs based on their race, sex or national origin.

In private businesses, training or employment practices that make an individual feel uncomfortable on similar grounds could be subject to a company lawsuit for unlawful employment practices."

There is a link to the actual bill in the article.

What then about history classes in Germany?
There is much to feel "uncomfortable" about.
But in fairness it can be said that German history classes are factual and telling the sad truth.
 
Yep, history is what it is.
The UK has done all sorts of good and bad stuff and it's all part of who we are so needs teaching.
The industrial revolution = good.
King George 3rd = not good.
 
I directly addressed it, actually.



Yes, I do, and America's history books are written in Texas with a VERY sanitized depiction of history.




Got more questions for me?
Holy shit. That article was from 2015 - I wonder if those textbooks are still in use.
 
As long as the teaching recognizes that white feelings matter (WFM) and does not incorporate curriculum that violates those feelings, as determined by WASP. That would only be fair and balanced, which will be determined by FOX.
 
Even modern history has ideological and political underpinnings. The aftermath of 9/11, for example. The concerted effort to white-wash history has actually had disastrous impacts on culture and society, arguably leading to the modern political atmosphere. I was having debates with conservatives into the 2000s regarding the nature and cause of the Civil War.

 
we've been here before...


"For much of the 20th century, southern classrooms treated Black history — when they touched the subject at all — as a sideshow to a white-dominated narrative.

Teachers taught students to sing Dixie and memorize long lists of forgettable governors. Civil War battles got described in detail. Textbooks celebrated the violent overthrow of democratically-elected, multiracial governments. Lynching went unmentioned. The evils of slavery got cursory acknowledgments — and quick dismissals.

“It should be noted that slavery was the earliest form of social security in the United States,” a 1961 Alabama history textbook said, falsely. "
 
I directly addressed it, actually.



Yes, I do, and America's history books are written in Texas with a VERY sanitized depiction of history.




Got more questions for me?

Yeah. So the basis for your claim of a "sanitized depiction of history" is a single caption in a single GEOGRAPHY textbook that some people are getting triggered by because it doesn't use the word "slave" TWICE in one sentence?
 
I'm not fooling myself. Are you fooling yourself? Why are you doing that?
Everybody fools themselves at one point or another. To believe that one never does so is to fool oneself.

To be woke is to understand that we are fallible, that it should be understood, accepted and attempts made to deal with it.
 
Yeah. So the basis for your claim of a "sanitized depiction of history" is a single caption in a single GEOGRAPHY textbook that some people are getting triggered by because it doesn't use the word "slave" TWICE in one sentence?
Read the article. It's not about a single caption.
 
Slavery in other societies should be covered in World History. High school students usually take that before US History. When they get to US history, they can compare the difference between our form of racist slavery with other society's. Then they will know the distinctive differences.

I'm not sure I see your point. Are you saying that you think the slavery in other countries in history wasn't "racist," or are you saying that you think that racism was the worse thing about slavery in the US compared to other countries?


More importantly, do you think there were ANY groups of people 100+years ago who weren't, on the whole, racist?
 
A Confederate flag hangs in the Robert E. Lee High School gym during a school assembly in 1968.
 

"A Florida state Senate committee on Thursday advanced a bill that would prohibit making white people feel "discomfort" when taught or trained about past discrimination in public schools and private businesses.

The bill, S.B. 148, would prevent school educators from teaching subjects that could make students feel responsible for historical wrongs based on their race, sex or national origin.

In private businesses, training or employment practices that make an individual feel uncomfortable on similar grounds could be subject to a company lawsuit for unlawful employment practices."

There is a link to the actual bill in the article.
The headline is propaganda. Here's the salient part of the legislation from your link -
Required Instruction in Public Schools
Each district school board is responsible for providing all courses required for middle grades
promotion, high school graduation, and appropriate instruction designed to ensure that students
meet State Board of Education (SBE) adopted standards in reading and other language arts,
mathematics, science, social studies, foreign languages, health and physical education, and the
arts.
Public school teachers are required to teach efficiently and faithfully, using the books and
materials required that meet the highest standards for professionalism and historical accuracy,
and employing approved methods of instruction, certain prescribed courses of study, including
health education and character development. The SBE is encouraged to adopt standards and
pursue assessment of the requirements for prescribed courses of study and methods of instruction
employed by public school teachers.
SBE rule regarding required instruction and reporting requires that instruction on the required
topics must be factual and objective, and may not suppress or distort significant historical events,
such as the Holocaust, slavery, the Civil War and Reconstruction, the civil rights movement and
the contributions of women, African American and Hispanic people to our country. Examples
of theories that distort historical events and are inconsistent with SBE-approved standards
include the denial or minimization of the Holocaust, and the teaching of Critical Race Theory,
meaning the theory that racism is not merely the product of prejudice, but that racism is
embedded in American society and its legal systems in order to uphold the supremacy of white
persons. Instruction may not utilize material from the 1619 Project and may not define
American history as something other than the creation of a new nation based largely on universal
principles stated in the Declaration of Independence.
The legislation is designed to get propaganda OUT of the schools, not to replace education with propaganda.
 
First of all, without conflict, history, like any narrative, is a crashing bore. This country's history has had a basic conflict that can begin with Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence and owned slaves. Our history has been the the effort to reconcile the thinking that has gone into protecting each side of this conflict. The only way to do this is to acknowledge and analyze the bad parts and identify their consequences today. Of course it can make white people uncomfortable, but that is no reason to deny the truth. The truth can set you free. And that is what we should all be after.
The founders were all rich and powerful men. They wrote the founding documents to preserve what they wanted. When they realized the public was not sufficiently convinced, they added the Bill of Rights.
 
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