Missouri Mule
DP Veteran
- Joined
- Jul 14, 2005
- Messages
- 1,406
- Reaction score
- 48
- Location
- Hot Springs, Arkansas
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Conservative
==========================26 X World Champs said:This post ranks right up there with some of the all time stupidest posts ever contributed to this site. Stunning in it's complete detachment from the real world.
I love the unsubstantiated "some have suggested" bullshit. That is straight out of the Fox News Channel handbook on spreading lies and propaganda.
I also come away from the insanity of this post with the feeling that for anyone to write such nonsense and for anyone to actually believe it shows a total lack of belief in America, our Constitution and each and every one of us.
Ever see the movie "Seven Days in May"? Mule's plot is right out of that film from 1963 or thereabouts.
You know just when you thought the stupidity of the posts stopped at old fashioned hate and prejudice we discover the novel insanity of a post that "some have suggested" would topple our form of government.
Amazing! Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
No, they couldn't arrest all of "us" and they wouldn't have to. Nor would they be able to halt or arrest the mob seeking an outlet for their frustration at your expense. If you were to closely look at the experiences of ethnic Germans in this country during either world war, or the experience of ethnic Japanese during WWII, you might be less sanguine. Or you could look at the immediate aftermath of 9/11 and the death of a man in Arizona who was wearing a turban; he was Sikh, not Muslim, but the distinction was irrelevant to the mob.Gandhi>Bush said:Those are just scare tactics. They wouldn't do anything of the sort. We're Americans and we wouldn't take that and they know it. We're too used to freedom that an attempt of that magnitude to take it away would be disastrous for our government. They couldn't arrest all of us.
Missouri Mule said:==========================
You need to read more.
" A particularly fulsome example is the article by Michael Ignatieff
which appeared on May 2, 2004 New York Times Magazine.]
So now you post some random "quotes" suggesting that if Washington DC is blown up in a nuclear attack we might be forced into martial law. That is not at all what your first post said and no amount of bull$hit by you can alter the truth.Originally Posted by Missouri Mule
Here's the deal. If we have another 9/11 and it can be traced to bin Laden, we will go in with or without his permission. At that point we are likely to move into an open world war of massive destruction. Some have suggested that if that happens our civilian government might fall to a military government takeover and with it the gloves will come off. It is just a small step to reconfigure our massive nuclear arsenal to target that part of Pakistan. The new American military government will no longer brook dissent and they will do what is required. It could get real nasty in a very short period of time. It behooves responsible Muslims everywhere to get this criminal and his gangsters off the street and in jail.
26 X World Champs said:What a twisted way to manipulate people Mule, good job! You have not proven anything other than that you try in your posts to use fear as a justification of the stupidity contained therein.
You wrote:
So now you post some random "quotes" suggesting that if Washington DC is blown up in a nuclear attack we might be forced into martial law. That is not at all what your first post said and no amount of bull$hit by you can alter the truth.
You wrote that if there is a 9/11 attack, that means 3000 dead, no nukes, no radiation, no collapse of government. As I wrote you are simply using the same BS fear tactics that the movie "7 Days in May" used.
I want to promise you something Mule. Every post that I read of yours that includes hate, prejudice, lies and fear mongering will be exposed by me for what it is. Your posts will not slip by unnoticed, and I will challenge the hate that you write each and every time.
Your posts sicken and disgust me. Your posts that contain prejudice and hate and that are totally pro the abolition of our Constitution will be shown for exactly what they are, each and every time you post 'em.
In my America even posters like you, who write hate and preach fear are allowed. In your America you would kill all Muslims and suspend the Constitution in the name of preserving the USA. Too bad you simply don't get that your "America" is not the USA at all, and if we lived in it our nation would end up exactly the way you wrote it.
You're a frickin' genius you are, a frickin' genius.
Remember, every time you write hate filled posts the words that you use will be challenged.
Very true. However, it's not too much of a stretch to observe that the terrorists are Muslim. Granted that banning all Muslims would be policy with a very broad brush, but how do you propose to refine the process and distinguish good Muslims from bad Muslims?Scardy said:And you can't say that all Muslims are anti-American. Most are happy to live out their lives in their own way.
And early on, how would you have distinguished good Germans from Nazis?groups like that only can get that kind of power if you let them, like the Nazis in WWII. If the Allies had stopped them fro expanding early on, they probably would of stopped where they were.
And early on, how would you have distinguished good Germans from Nazis?
Diogenes said:Very true. However, it's not too much of a stretch to observe that the terrorists are Muslim. Granted that banning all Muslims would be policy with a very broad brush, but how do you propose to refine the process and distinguish good Muslims from bad Muslims?
Gandhi>Bush said:Treat all Muslims the same and have the same expectations for all of them. Do not treat any of them like a threat or like they are your enemy. Do not expect them to be a "bad Muslim" do not treat them like a "bad Muslim" and I do not think they would be as inclined to act as such.
Calm2Chaos said:With the state of the world today. The viscous targeting of civilians on a global scale. You don't see this as any reason why people should cast a weary eye at muslims?
Gandhi>Bush said:Do you ever notice how, sociologically, people tend to act within their stereotypes? How, sociologically, the way we treat people is generally a reflection of their actions and their ideas?
They call terrorism TERRORism for a reason. They use fear to coerce/intimidate people into a certian mode thinking and/or action. If we are unafraid, they are powerless. If we can be strong enough to treat them as a friend depsite the amount of potential or probability to be our enemy, eventually they will be our friend. Most of this has to be done on an individual scale. Most of this has to be said by a leader which is why I despise the fact that Cindy Sheehan is the "leader" of the anti-war movement.
That's the best way to fight this problem internally.
If someone says the word Muslim and you psycologically picture the mug shot of Zarqawi, something is wrong.
Excellent point. The way we treat people is indeed genearally a reflection of their actions and ideas. In turn, their actions and ideas are generally a product of their culture and their worldview, which is why we stereotype whole populations based on characteristics which are common among them and which distinguish them from other populations in the world.Gandhi>Bush said:Do you ever notice how, sociologically, people tend to act within their stereotypes? How, sociologically, the way we treat people is generally a reflection of their actions and their ideas?
Calm2Chaos said:I actually picture 3000 people being burned, crushed, liquefied exploded, and falling from hundreds of feet.
And afterwards I see pictures and video of people cheering and jumping up and down in happiness.
Virtually all were muslim, as were the ones that did the killing. The same goes for multiple killings around the world. There is only one thread that ties them all together... They are all muslims, and they have declared war on the world.
We need to hunt the people down, put bullets in the back of there head and bury them very deep.
These people don't understand compassion or freedom.
They understand death and oppresion because that is what they practice.
I am not going to say that all muslims are terrorist. That would be ignorant and wrong.
But "for the time being" I can't tell the good from the bad. I see no reason for allowing anymore into an already undersecure country, that is a prime target for them.
Gandhi>Bush said:That's what you picture when you think of a Muslim? It's disgusting how you let 19 men dictate your outlook on an entire sixth of the world's population.
You're going to tell me that when you hear about Palestinians getting killed a little part of you doesn't jump for joy? Just because you don't go dance in the street doesn't mean that you are any different.
When did Muslims declare war on the world? Never. Usama bin Laden is not a representation of the entire Muslim population of the world.
We need to bring these people to justice. Forget about vengeance or any disgusting desire or emotion you might be tempted to act on.
You know this how? Have you ever spoken to a Muslim? Have you ever had an intelligent conversation about Islam with one of it's members? I assure you there is a sense of compassion and desire for freedom.
You don't think that's perhaps all they've been shown?
You've already equated the word "Muslim" to 9/11.
How about for the sake of making peace with the people of this religion in an attempt of curbing anti-Americanism within it instead of alienating the entire religion?
Diogenes said:Excellent point. The way we treat people is indeed genearally a reflection of their actions and ideas. In turn, their actions and ideas are generally a product of their culture and their worldview, which is why we stereotype whole populations based on characteristics which are common among them and which distinguish them from other populations in the world.
Since brutal videotaped executions (like Danny Pearle), cowardly attacks upon schoolchildren (like Beslan), and terrorism in general are much more common among Muslim populations than anywhere else, that becomes the defining stereotype of that population.
You have made an excellent argument in favor of Missouri Mule's position. When Muslims wish to shed that stereotype, they can do so by changing their culture and their worldview; until then, they should be shunned by any society that wishes to live and raise their families in peace and security.
Missouri Mule said:I think what happened on 9/11 was much more disgusting than putting Muslims under suspicion. I still see those poor people jumping out of a 100 story building to their certain deaths than being incinerated. (Have you ever been in a serious fire; or near one? I have and it is not a pleasant experience.)
Look, it is really quite simple. All that needs to happen is for the Muslims and Muslim nations to disavow terrorism and turn over these terrorists. Then I will truly believe that this is a "religion of peace" rather than a "religion of pieces."
Gandhi>Bush said:That's what you picture when you think of a Muslim? It's disgusting how you let 19 men dictate your outlook on an entire sixth of the world's population.
Gandhi>Bush said:You're going to tell me that when you hear about Palestinians getting killed a little part of you doesn't jump for joy? Just because you don't go dance in the street doesn't mean that you are any different.
Gandhi>Bush said:When did Muslims declare war on the world? Never. Usama bin Laden is not a representation of the entire Muslim population of the world.
Gandhi>Bush said:We need to bring these people to justice. Forget about vengeance or any disgusting desire or emotion you might be tempted to act on.
Gandhi>Bush said:You know this how? Have you ever spoken to a Muslim? Have you ever had an intelligent conversation about Islam with one of it's members? I assure you there is a sense of compassion and desire for freedom.
Gandhi>Bush said:You don't think that's perhaps all they've been shown?
Gandhi>Bush said:You've already equated the word "Muslim" to 9/11.
Gandhi>Bush said:How about for the sake of making peace with the people of this religion in an attempt of curbing anti-Americanism within it instead of alienating the entire religion?
But those who do blow themselves up are treated as heros. As evidence I present the image of Palestinians dancing in the street to celebrate 9/11, and the admitted enormous popularity of bin Laden in Pakistan.Gandhi>Bush said:Stereotypes emerge because of what is commonly presented not what is common. If you believed everything you saw on TV, you would believe it was common for a Muslims to blow himself up. It's not.
Yes it is. Every race and culture has its share of psychopaths, but only in the Muslim world are they celebrated as heros.Terrorism is more common among Muslim populations? That's not necessarily true.
Actually, I have heard of a number of cases where terrorists have attacked Hindu temples. I have also heard that the mob retributions which follow are quite terrible. Perhaps we could learn something from the Indians...India has a huge population of Muslims and you rarely hear about a terrorist attack or a terrorist coming from there. You could make that conclusion about Pakistan.
Tolerance of Muslim extremists in Pakistan, versus a total lack of tolerance for Muslim extremists in India.So let's think: What is the difference between Pakistan and India that makes this evil ideology more common?
The same as anyone else - make it very clear that he is no threat to me, my family, my neighbors, and my fellow citizens.What would a Muslim have to do to proove to you that he was fit to be your neighbor?
Gandhi>Bush said:A sixth of the modern world today... 3,000 Americans 4 years ago...
No, I have never been near a serious fire. Yes, it is disgusting what happened to those people on that day, but that doesn't justify blind fear and racism.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe Muslims don't know where these terrorists are?
Diogenes said:But those who do blow themselves up are treated as heros. As evidence I present the image of Palestinians dancing in the street to celebrate 9/11, and the admitted enormous popularity of bin Laden in Pakistan.
Yes it is. Every race and culture has its share of psychopaths, but only in the Muslim world are they celebrated as heros.
Actually, I have heard of a number of cases where terrorists have attacked Hindu temples. I have also heard that the mob retributions which follow are quite terrible. Perhaps we could learn something from the Indians...
Tolerance of Muslim extremists in Pakistan, versus a total lack of tolerance for Muslim extremists in India.
The same as anyone else - make it very clear that he is no threat to me, my family, my neighbors, and my fellow citizens.
quietrage said:Interesting, because my roommate is Arab, Muslim, and from Saudi and I got my back to him in no fear of being killed, but that they are all savages who want all non-Muslims to die and my roommate is just one not up to date on his beliefs.:smile:
quietrage said:Interesting, because my roommate is Arab, Muslim, and from Saudi and I got my back to him in no fear of being killed, but that they are all savages who want all non-Muslims to die and my roommate is just one not up to date on his beliefs.:smile:
Now I'm curious. What do YOU suggest?nkgupta80 said:good point, theres just too many good muslims, to institutionalize this idea of stopping immigration. There would be far better ways to stop terrorists from entering this country.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?