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Should immigrants have a path to citizenship?

Should law abiding immigrants be given citizenship?

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The Brad Dad said:
One of the most hard working, law abiding groups in the country.
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Being in the country illegally is....um....against the law. Working while in the country illegally is even more against the law. So no, they are not law-abiding. By definition.
 
quip said:
I basically empathize with the reasons behind their illegal plight. In a perfect world every immigrant could enter the US legally, as it stands, such a world doesn't exist.
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I empathize too - I also think staying in their home countries and fixing their home countries is very important. 750,000 homeless in USA, 36 million poverty, 13 million kids food insecurity, .... we have many many problems HERE we need to solve. We cannot fix all the countries in the world and their poverty issues and bad conditions, we simply cannot.



quip said:
As far as Trump is concerned, cutting legal and ethical corners is his stock and trade. Trump is creating undocumented people. You appear to have zero concern over his legally questionable methods.... you're probably excited over them while fully supporting them.
RE: blatant hypocrisy.
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I don't see it that way. Biden is responsible for adding many of them - I treat Biden and Obama and Trump all the same as far as questioning their means of deportations. unlike liberals who only want to point at Trump and never did the same with Obama and Biden.


quip said:
The thing is that your focus on the illegality of foreigners appears suspiciously cherry-picked....a politically charged, faux rage.
Would you actually give two shits for immigration if it wasn't on the political radar?
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I have been an advocate of strong border for 20 years, this isn't new to me. Its amazing how its changed in the past 4 years with so many illegals in my area.
 
Noodlegawd said:
Being in the country illegally is....um....against the law. Working while in the country illegally is even more against the law. So no, they are not law-abiding. By definition.
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Being in the country illegally isn’t a criminal offense. If working in the country illegally is “even more against the law” it’s super odd zero company officers who white these folks are being grabbed off the street.
 
Fletch said:
Gee, every leftist on the site--72% want a path to citizenship for illegals. Of course they do. That was the whole point of opening the border in the first place. Change the demographic makeup of the country and create a permanent underclass of democrat voters.
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Now if we adjust those results of left and right leaning in the forum to match reality, what are the results?
MAGAnificent said:
No, California merely has an incredibly stupid governor.
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Which reflects the majority of the voters.
 
Fletch said:
Gee, every leftist on the site--72% want a path to citizenship for illegals. Of course they do. That was the whole point of opening the border in the first place. Change the demographic makeup of the country and create a permanent underclass of democrat voters.
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There's only 7 voters in this poll that said "no."

21, mostly Trump supporters, said "other."

And then when you talk to them their views are not as hardline as you might think.

And the ones that voted "yes" aren't as "pro" illegal immigration as you might think.
 
stealthycat said:
I empathize too - I also think staying in their home countries and fixing their home countries is very important. 750,000 homeless in USA, 36 million poverty, 13 million kids food insecurity, .... we have many many problems HERE we need to solve. We cannot fix all the countries in the world and their poverty issues and bad conditions, we simply cannot.




I don't see it that way. Biden is responsible for adding many of them - I treat Biden and Obama and Trump all the same as far as questioning their means of deportations. unlike liberals who only want to point at Trump and never did the same with Obama and Biden.




I have been an advocate of strong border for 20 years, this isn't new to me. Its amazing how its changed in the past 4 years with so many illegals in my area.
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Presidents past and present.

No comparison.
 
I proposed an idea along these lines. Every undocumented person has 6 months to come forward and go through the process. If they have ANY criminal record they get deported. The rest get a path toward citizenship.

Those who do not come forward get deported forthwith.
 
quip said:
Presidents past and present.

No comparison.
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you linked Jimmy Kimmel !! OMG ! I just spit coffee on my keyboard !

Trump’s administration deported 3.13 million people during his first term. In comparison, Obama deported 3.16 million, while Biden deported 4.44 million individuals in 2021 and 2022.



If you were ok with Obama and Biden deportations - and Democrats were because ya'll voted them in - the ONLY reason now to dislike Trump is because the Democrat party tells you too

that's the fact, isn't it ?
 
really shouldn't call illegally here people "immigrants" - they're not if they're doing it illegally

AI Overview

An immigrant is a person who moves to a new country, intending to settle there permanently. They choose to relocate from their country of origin to a different nation with the goal of making the new country their home. This differs from other types of migrants, such as refugees, who are forced to leave their homes due to persecution or conflict.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
  • Permanent Residence:
    Immigrants typically intend to live in their new country for the long term, often pursuing permanent residency or citizenship.

  • Voluntary Movement:
    Immigration is a voluntary act, unlike displacement due to war or natural disaster.
    • Legal Status:
      Immigrants may enter a new country under various legal statuses, including permanent residency or temporary visas, which may or may not lead to citizenship.
 
Allan said:
Why would they pay FICA? They can't collect Social Security.
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You asked what taxes they don’t pay. I answered you.
Allan said:
They pay property taxes and sales tax.
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They pay sales taxes. They can’t pay property taxes because they can’t qualify for a loan in order to buy property, nor can they open a bank account.
 
rahl said:
They can’t pay property taxes because they can’t qualify for a loan in order to buy property, nor can they open a bank account.
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If they rent their rent includes a property tax component.

Are you sure they can't qualify for a mortgage? If it's a couple, both working, why wouldn't they qualify?
 
Noodlegawd said:
Being in the country illegally is....um....against the law. Working while in the country illegally is even more against the law. So no, they are not law-abiding. By definition.
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Hiring them is illegal too. Why arent all the employers being dragged to jail?
 
rahl said:
The landlord pays the property tax

Yes

They aren’t citizens. They don’t have social security or I9 numbers. They can’t open a bank account.
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They can (and do) buy a house.

Non-U.S. citizens are allowed to buy property in the U.S. regardless of whether or not they have legal documentation permitting them to be here. This means that foreign nationals, visa and green-card holders, and even those who have entered the country unlawfully can buy a home in the U.S.
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MAGAnificent said:
You are pretty much making that up as you go along. The stats do not differentiate between right wing and left wing business owners.

So, are you suggesting that ICE checks for owner or CEO party registration before making a bust? :LOL:🙃

That's a very odd statement considering that your democrat party had its ass handed to it in the 2024 elections. The vote seems to be trending towards conservatism, not away from it. Young people included.
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They'll never admit it.
Lord of Planar said:
Now if we adjust those results of left and right leaning in the forum to match reality, what are the results?

Which reflects the majority of the voters.
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This
 
Allan said:
Trump has recognized that undocumented immigrants are important for several industries and has backed off arresting and deporting them. I would argue that there are a lot more industries that need these workers to operate effectively.

Those immigrants who haven't committed crimes and are productively employed - should they be allowed to remain and given a path to citizenship?
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They always did and still have a path to citizenship. That is how all my ancestors became citizens. First you immigrate to this country legally and are granted immigrant status. Then if you don't become a criminal losing your immigrant status and get deported you are on your way to becoming a citizen. This has been the way it is done for over 100 years. It is the legal part that is the problem today. People with no respect for our immigration laws should be tossed out so law abiding people can immigrate legally. I have always supported our immigration process. I family members who have immigrated to this country and became citizens. They are living the American dream. No they are not criminals.
 
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