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Should immigrants have a path to citizenship?

Should law abiding immigrants be given citizenship?

  • Total voters
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PIPEWRENCH said:
They always did and still have a path to citizenship. That is how all my ancestors became citizens. First you immigrate to this country legally and are granted immigrant status. Then if you don't become a criminal losing your immigrant status and get deported you are on your way to becoming a citizen. This has been the way it is done for over 100 years. It is the legal part that is the problem today. People with no respect for our immigration laws should be tossed out so law abiding people can immigrate legally. I have always supported our immigration process. I family members who have immigrated to this country and became citizens. They are living the American dream. No they are not criminals.
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Many people came to the US as refugees. Don't discount their contributions.
 
Allan said:
Many people came to the US as refugees. Don't discount their contributions.
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That has also been going on for a long time. They can apply for immigrant status which is a path to citizenship.

Of course if you show up with another countries flag flying and you are burning our flag I would suspect you will have a problem. Oh and no throwing rocks or tryin to light our law enforcement people on fire. Most likely these actions will get you tossed out of the country.
 
rahl said:
I did

Illegals can’t get loans. Your article even points that out.
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You didn't read the article.

Both permanent and non-permanent residents can qualify for a conforming mortgage. But non-residents or those whose residency documentation has expired typically have to utilize a type of non-QM loan called an ITIN mortgage.
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stealthycat said:
you linked Jimmy Kimmel !! OMG ! I just spit coffee on my keyboard !

Trump’s administration deported 3.13 million people during his first term. In comparison, Obama deported 3.16 million, while Biden deported 4.44 million individuals in 2021 and 2022.



If you were ok with Obama and Biden deportations - and Democrats were because ya'll voted them in - the ONLY reason now to dislike Trump is because the Democrat party tells you too

that's the fact, isn't it ?
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Well, if that isn't some impressive, deflecting whataboutism! 😂

If memory serves both of us, not that long ago the right wouldn't shut up about the Dems red carpeting illegals - by the millions - across the boarder?

Now?
Whatever the current narrative requires eh? 😉

The fact IS your boy Trump's complete lack of character is all the motivation I need to despise him.... the very incentive for you to admire him.

Your slavish devotion to such a flagrant degenerate says more about you than anything I may convey.
 
rahl said:
Income taxes. FICA taxes etc.
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Not true, except maybe for those at the very bottom of the employment ladder, the cash-only day laborers. People who work in factories and other businesses get an ITIN, or individual taxpayer identification number, which is used to pay federal taxes.

Of course, they also pay all the taxes we all do at the state and local levels - sales, excise, property, gas etc.

Sorry, it's a myth, and a tired one, that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes. You need new material.
 
Law abiding legal immigrants should have a path to citizenship. Illegal immigrants need to leave and come back the right way. The H2-A visa is already being used by seasonal farm workers. There is a H2-B visa that is typically used in construction, hospitality, and lawn care/landscaping that should be expanded for jobs at meat packing plants etc. We need an orderly immigration policy. We must know who is coming to our country.
 
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Allan said:
You didn't read the article.
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I did read the article. Illegals can’t open a bank account or get a loan. That requires social security number or an I9
 
LostInSeattle said:
Not true, except maybe for those at the very bottom of the employment ladder, the cash-only day laborers.
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You can’t be employed and pay federal income or FICA taxes as an illegal. That required a social security number of I9.
LostInSeattle said:
People who work in factories and other businesses get an ITIN, or individual taxpayer identification number, which is used to pay federal taxes.
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If they are legal, yes. Illegal aliens do not.
LostInSeattle said:
Of course, they also pay all the taxes we all do at the state and local levels - sales, excise, property, gas etc.
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Nope. Just sales and gas taxes. Not property taxes.
LostInSeattle said:
Sorry, it's a myth, and a tired one, that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes. You need new material.
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It’s objective fact.
 
rahl said:
I did read the article. Illegals can’t open a bank account or get a loan. That requires social security number or an I9
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Post 579.
 
SgtRock said:
Law abiding legal immigrants should have a path to citizenship.
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SgtRock said:
Illegal immigrants need to leave and come back the right way.
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Why? If someone has been here for years, or even decades, as a welcomed and productive member of the community, what benefit is achieved by having them leave and start over?

SgtRock said:
The H2-A visa is already being used by seasonal farm workers. There is a H2-B visa that is typically used in construction, hospitality, and lawn care/landscaping that should be expanded for jobs at meat packing plants etc. We need an orderly immigration policy. We must know who is coming to our country.
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rahl said:
You can’t be employed and pay federal income or FICA taxes as an illegal. That required a social security number of I9.
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Yes you can, with an ITIN. Get in the know. Do research before adopting an opinion.
rahl said:
If they are legal, yes. Illegal aliens do not.
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Yes they do. See above.
rahl said:
Nope. Just sales and gas taxes. Not property taxes.
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Everyone pays property taxes, directly or indirectly. Unless you believe that the cost of property taxes is not reflected in rents.
rahl said:
It’s objective fact.
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LostInSeattle said:
Yes you can, with an ITIN.
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Nope. It requires a SSN or an I9.
LostInSeattle said:
Get in the know. Do research before adopting an opinion.
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I already know.
LostInSeattle said:
Yes they do. See above.
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They don’t. Refuted above.
LostInSeattle said:
Everyone pays property taxes, directly or indirectly.
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Nope. Only property owners pay property taxes.
LostInSeattle said:
Unless you believe that the cost of property taxes is not reflected in rents.
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Property owners are the ones paying property taxes.
 
rahl said:
Refuted. Illegals can’t open a bank account or get a loan.
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You seem to be impervious to facts.
But non-residents or those whose residency documentation has expired typically have to utilize a type of non-QM loan called an ITIN mortgage.
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rahl said:
Property owners are the ones paying property taxes
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Built into the rent. Property owners aren't eating the property tax.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
There's only 7 voters in this poll that said "no."

21, mostly Trump supporters, said "other."

And then when you talk to them their views are not as hardline as you might think.

And the ones that voted "yes" aren't as "pro" illegal immigration as you might think.
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Lol. Look at the names of those who voted yes. Every one of them supports open borders and the Replacement theory.
 
Allan said:
You seem to be impervious to facts.
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ILLEGALS can’t open bank accounts or get loans. Your source is talking about non resident aliens. They are not the same. B
 
Allan said:
Built into the rent. Property owners aren't eating the property tax.
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Property owners pay the tax. Not illegals. That tenants pay rent has no bearing on the fact the property owner is paying the tax.
 
rahl said:
Property owners pay the tax. Not illegals. That tenants pay rent has no bearing on the fact the property owner is paying the tax.
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Bullshit, as usual.

It doesn't matter who fills out the check and sends it to the tax department.

Ultimately the money comes out of the pocket of the tenant.

If you think property owners are eating the cost of property tax you should definitely not get into property rental. You'll lose your shirt.
 
rahl said:
Nope. It requires a SSN or an I9.
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Gainsaying is not the same as, "refuting."

I already gave you one source explaining that an undocumented immigrant can get an ITIN from the IRS. Here are three more:

Can an Illegal Immigrant Get an ITIN? - 360 Immigration Law

Can an illegal immigrant get an ITIN? Navigating life as an undocumented immigrant in the United States involves facing a unique set of challenges.
360immigrationlaw.com 360immigrationlaw.com
theimmigrantsjournal.com

Why the ITIN is Good for Undocumented Immigrants - The Immigrant’s Journal

Editorial credit: Claudine Van Massenhove / Shutterstock.com An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but are not eligible for a Social...
theimmigrantsjournal.com theimmigrantsjournal.com
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

The Facts About the Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) - American Immigration Council

The Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax-processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to ensure that people—including undocumented immigrants—pay taxes.
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

If you want to persist with your assumed knowledge, that's up to you. I am no longer interested, unless you can provide something to support your point of view.

rahl said:
I already know.

They don’t. Refuted above.

Nope. Only property owners pay property taxes.
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Everyone pays property taxes indirectly; they are reflected in the costs of goods and services, especially rental properties.
It's not a complicated concept.
Energy companies pay the cost of crude oil. Do you imagine that cost is not reflected at the pump?
 
LostInSeattle said:
Gainsaying is not the same as, "refuting."

I already gave you one source explaining that an undocumented immigrant can get an ITIN from the IRS. Here are three more:
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There is no such thing as an undocumented immigrant. Immigrant is a legal status and some citizens are immigrants. Illegal aliens most certainly are not immigrants, and the only pathway for citizenship for them should be leave of your own accord, migrate legally and then apply for citizenship.

But someone who breaks the law to get into the country or breaks the law to stay in the country should absolutely not have a pathway to citizenship they don't respect our laws. We don't need more criminals are jails have vast swaths of criminals in them.
 
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