Should immigrants have a path to citizenship?

[JoeyJoystick]

Being given a court date for an asylum hearing is not amnesty. The only illegals that have received amnesty are the 12 million or so that were granted amnesty by a failed comprehensive immigration bill signed into law during the Reagan Administration. I do not respect them; however, they are legal and not subject to deportation.

Hi,

Ah well, we're never gonna agree. And that's fine. A little bit of a human approach has never hurt I think. Just remember, you only get treated as good as you treat others. You already seeing all your friends and allies uniting together and not taking your country serious. And it is the direct result of the narrow minded me first and let everybody else rot mentality that is pushed by the MAGA movement. Your views on immigration fall in that very same category. It is also the exact opposite of what made your country great in the first place. You welcomed them. What am I saying, you even forced them to come to your country and work for you for free!


Joey

 

[MAGAnificent]

And it is the direct result of the narrow minded me first and let everybody else rot mentality that is pushed by the MAGA movement.

I think we are done here. You start off with a friendly "Hi", but when frustrated, go to hyper partisan veiled ad hominems. US immigration laws should be enforced. It's not okay to arrogantly sneak across any nation's border. It is not only illegal, its disrespectful to the nation they claim to want to be a part of. Then they disrespect further when they wave the flag of the country, they claim to be fleeing during anti-Ice protests.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

I think we are done here. You start off with a friendly "Hi", but when frustrated, go to hyper partisan veiled ad hominems. US immigration laws should be enforced. It's not okay to arrogantly sneak across any nation's border. It is not only illegal, its disrespectful to the nation they claim to want to be a part of. Then they disrespect further when they wave the flag of the country, they claim to be fleeing during anti-Ice protests.

Hi,

If you read other posts, you could have noticed that I address friendly people with their name and never with 'Hi'. There are very few exceptions to this. Please do not ever think again that I am being friendly to you. I may at times choose to be polite, but do not mistaken that for friendliness.


Joey

 

[MAGAnificent]

Hi,

If you read other posts, you could have noticed that I address friendly people with their name and never with 'Hi'. There are very few exceptions to this. Please do not ever think again that I am being friendly to you. I may at times choose to be polite, but do not mistaken that for friendliness.


Joey

Take care.

 

[rahl]

Hi Rahl,

Overthrowing every government in central America, followed by a long period of violence made people flee their country. Now it boggles my mind why the hell they would wanna go to your country in the first place, but since you carry some responsibility in all this as well, you could deal with it in slightly more humane manner. You spend money on bombs, why not try to spend a few dollars on schools for them? Maybe they would prefer to stay home after all? Getting my drift? Or are you yourself the one who is too retarded to comprehend this?

Joey

So since you can’t actually address the point I made, you had to insult me personally. Lol

 

[Parker_Chess]

People often forget it was Ronald Reagan who granted Amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants.

The solution to the problem isn't to kick everybody out. It's to have a pathway to citizenship that way you are on the books and accounted for. Meanwhile Ice agents are planting themselves outside court rooms to round up folks who are going through the proper legal procedures.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Life isn't fair.

I find this statement interesting for three reasons:

1) it’s an acknowledgement that your original statement was disingenuous. You know what you’re asking of them isn’t something they can practically do if they want to stay in the U.S.

2) it reveals your true position, which is you want as little immigration as possible. The idea that immigrants must follow the rules is just a convenient rationalization.

3) you don’t believe life isn’t fair for yourself because you support a politician who you think will make life more fair in the way you define it. We could make the same statement about all the grievances that Trump supporters, who think of themselves as perpetual victims, have about the world and the society they find themselves in.

So, it’s almost as if there’s not a single thing you’re saying that’s true. And the common strand between all this is your own personal self interest, at least how you define it.

 

[The Brad Dad]

I think we are done here. You start off with a friendly "Hi", but when frustrated, go to hyper partisan veiled ad hominems. US immigration laws should be enforced. It's not okay to arrogantly sneak across any nation's border. It is not only illegal, its disrespectful to the nation they claim to want to be a part of. Then they disrespect further when they wave the flag of the country, they claim to be fleeing during anti-Ice protests.

Yes, the “arrogance” sneaking across our border and working 2-3 jobs, paying taxes while receiving no benefits from them, supporting entire industries that Americans desperately need. All for the low price of below market wages and a virtually crime free community. I would trade ten red state residents for just one of these “arrogant” folks.

 

[holbritter]

I find this statement interesting for three reasons:

1) it’s an acknowledgement that your original statement was disingenuous. You know what you’re asking of them isn’t something they can practically do if they want to stay in the U.S.

2) it reveals your true position, which is you want as little immigration as possible. The idea that immigrants must follow the rules is just a convenient rationalization.

3) you don’t believe life isn’t fair for yourself because you support a politician who you think will make life more fair in the way you define it. We could make the same statement about all the grievances that Trump supporters, who think of themselves as perpetual victims, have about the world and the society they find themselves in.

So, it’s almost as if there’s not a single thing you’re saying that’s true. And the common strand between all this is your own personal self interest, at least how you define it.

1. No it wasn't. Life isn't fair. What I'm asking is people to follow the law. There are a lot of immigrants that do just that. They are not rich or have anything extra. They wait their turn.
2. No it is not. I want as little ILLEGAL immigration as possible.
3. Not a Trump supporter. The fact that you imply such, invalidates all other arguments you have.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

1. No it wasn't. Life isn't fair. What I'm asking is people to follow the law. There are a lot of immigrants that do just that. They are not rich or have anything extra. They wait their turn.

When you ask people to follow the law, and then support an immigration system where it's practically impossible for the vast majority of poor, low-skill immigrants from Central and South American to live and work in the U.S. your true position is not that you want them to follow the law. Your true position is you want them to "stay the **** out."

Even for people who follow every aspect of the law we do not have a good immigration system. The process is not fair. It's burdensome, unnecessarily complex, and the decisions about which immigrants can enter or stay are sometimes completely arbitrary.

2. No it is not. I want as little ILLEGAL immigration as possible.

So, let's test that. How much legal immigration do you want? How many legal immigrants do you want to allow into our country?

3. Not a Trump supporter. The fact that you imply such, invalidates all other arguments you have.

Why would me assuming you're a Trump supporter invalidate all other arguments I might have?

That doesn't make any logical sense.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Yes, the “arrogance” sneaking across our border and working 2-3 jobs, paying taxes while receiving no benefits from them, supporting entire industries that Americans desperately need. All for the low price of below market wages and a virtually crime free community. I would trade ten red state residents for just one of these “arrogant” folks.

You can stop the act. The hard-working farmer image was more suited to the 1960s and they were paid under the table. Today it's about two things. Shady employers looking for cheap labor and the democrats looking to change voting demographics.

 

[Chomsky]

1. No it wasn't. Life isn't fair. What I'm asking is people to follow the law. There are a lot of immigrants that do just that. They are not rich or have anything extra. They wait their turn.
2. No it is not. I want as little ILLEGAL immigration as possible.
3. Not a Trump supporter. The fact that you imply such, invalidates all other arguments you have.

I'm as anti-Trump as it gets, but very much agree with your above points.

I would think your point #2 would be universally accepted.

 

[The Brad Dad]

You can stop the act. The hard-working farmer image was more suited to the 1960s and they were paid under the table. Today it's about two things. Shady employers looking for cheap labor and the democrats looking to change voting demographics.

You’re half right: we know virtually all of this labor benefits wealthy usually right wing business owners. That’s why we’ve seen zero arrests of the folks creating the labor economy for all these “criminals”.

Voting demographics are changing because young people don’t see a future in conservatism, which makes sense. It’s in the name.

 

[MAGAnificent]

You’re half right: we know virtually all of this labor benefits wealthy usually right wing business owners.

You are pretty much making that up as you go along. The stats do not differentiate between right wing and left wing business owners.

That’s why we’ve seen zero arrests of the folks creating the labor economy for all these “criminals”.

So, are you suggesting that ICE checks for owner or CEO party registration before making a bust?

Voting demographics are changing because young people don’t see a future in conservatism, which makes sense. It’s in the name.

That's a very odd statement considering that your democrat party had its ass handed to it in the 2024 elections. The vote seems to be trending towards conservatism, not away from it. Young people included.

 

[The Brad Dad]

You are pretty much making that up as you go along. The stats do not differentiate between right wing and left wing business owners.

So, are you suggesting that ICE checks for owner or CEO party registration before making a bust?

That's a very odd statement considering that your democrat party had its ass handed to it in the 2024 elections. The vote seems to be trending towards conservatism, not away from it. Young people included.

There is no such thing as a left wing business owners. Economics in this country are all right wing.

No, but it would be great if they at least checked legal status before breaking the law as they’ve been.

The GOP won no landslide. Dems didn’t show up to vote. There is no trending towards conservatism. Vast majority of the country currently stands opposed to every single Trump position on every single issue. And that’s before he drags us into a new Republican forever war and a recession.

 

[MAGAnificent]

There is no such thing as a left wing business owners.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! George Soros is not a business owner? Mark Cuban is not a business owner? Jeff Bezos is not a business owner? How about Ben and Jerrys? are those two owners not libruls?

 

[The Brad Dad]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! George Soros is not a business owner? Mark Cuban is not a business owner? Jeff Bezos is not a business owner? How about Ben and Jerrys? are those two owners not libruls?

Jeff Bezos - the same guy who literally turned the Washington Post into a Trump Propaganda Leaflet? That Jeff Bezos?

No, there is no such thing as a left wing business owner. Tim Apple slurps Trump every shot he gets and he’s supposed to be super left wing. In America, if you’re not an oligarch you can’t make any money.

 

[Silenthunder]

The US needs massive immigration reform. One of the greatest advantages the US has is that a large percentage of the world wants to come here. We need to reform the process so that we provide access to the best and brightest. Immigration is a strength of the US and is what our country is built upon. Ultimately, we're virtually all immigrants.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Jeff Bezos - the same guy who literally turned the Washington Post into a Trump Propaganda Leaflet?

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

No, there is no such thing as a left wing business owner.

I am beginning to not take you at all seriously.

 

[The Brad Dad]

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

I am beginning to not take you at all seriously.

How will I go home to my family now?

 

[quip]

I see your connection


So you are ok with people coming into the country illegally or staying illegally but you want to point finger at Trump because of his legal actions

I basically empathize with the reasons behind their illegal plight. In a perfect world every immigrant could enter the US legally, as it stands, such a world doesn't exist.

You're saying its ok for illegals to do illegal things but its not ok for Trump to

AND

you think I'm saying its NOT ok to be here illegally but its OK for Trump to do illegal things

As far as Trump is concerned, cutting legal and ethical corners is his stock and trade. Trump is creating undocumented people. You appear to have zero concern over his legally questionable methods.... you're probably excited over them while fully supporting them.
RE: blatant hypocrisy.

here is where you're wrong - I don't condone doing illegal things. For Trump's actions he was tried on court wasn't he? Fined? Held accountable for his actions? isn't that what we're doing with illegally here people? holding them accountable and deporting them for being here illegally ?

The thing is that your focus on the illegality of foreigners appears suspiciously cherry-picked....a politically charged, faux rage.

Would you actually give two shits for immigration if it wasn't on the political radar?

 

[LostInSeattle]

They are illegal. They don’t Pay most taxes, but still consume services and resources.

And I pointed out your agreement has no bearing on objective reality.

What taxes don't undocumented immigrants pay? In objective reality.

 

[LostInSeattle]

It's certainly an incentive.

Be real. $12 a day for food in NYC is next to nothing. The main incentives for people to come is either to flee shitty circumstances or try to get ahead economically.

It's not the people of those two states that are willing. It's the idiot politicians.

I say the same thing about states like Ohio when they pass those unpopular abortion bans. But CA doesn't have the ridiculous gerrymandering that Ohio does, making the legislature out of touch with the majority of the public. NY has some, but not nearly as badly as Ohio.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Trump has recognized that undocumented immigrants are important for several industries and has backed off arresting and deporting them. I would argue that there are a lot more industries that need these workers to operate effectively.

Those immigrants who haven't committed crimes and are productively employed - should they be allowed to remain and given a path to citizenship?

Undocumented immigrants are not "law-abiding."

 

[Fletch]

Gee, every leftist on the site--72% want a path to citizenship for illegals. Of course they do. That was the whole point of opening the border in the first place. Change the demographic makeup of the country and create a permanent underclass of democrat voters.