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Shooting at UCLA engineering building

Typical liberal deflection and obfuscation of the truth!

I use to mail order guns from Montgomery Ward and Sears catalogs and have them sent right to my home. My uncle owned a Thompson SMG, that he mail ordered in the mid 1930s.....lots of fun that was....and none of us in the family ever hurt anyone. Go figure!

That was the days! My dad said you could order guns right out of magazines, and you did through Sears and Wards catalogs. Wow, different times. The gun grabber nuts seem to have memories that don't stretch back further than 2012, maybe too much weed and LSD!
 
I've never actually been in an active shooter situation, if that's what your asking? I'm 17. It's not exactly feasible that I'd be in charge of a SWAT team or the like either.

Enough lead starts flying around its bound to hit somebody. Especially at close range.

True, at any range.
I've been on a SWAT team and involved in 3 Calif. riots and been to dozens of active shooter incidents.

Actually, there is no credible statistical correlation between gun violence in gun free zones compared to non-gun free zones.

1) Less than a tiny fraction of 1% of shootings occur at schools. Since 1980, a total of 297 people have been killed in schools. That's in 36 years.

2) 57% of mass shootings involved relatives of the shooter, and these were just as likely to happen in gun zones as in gun free zones.

3) Of 133 mass shooting incidents studied, only 17 of them occurred in public spaces known as gun free zones, while 21 of them happened in places where open or concealed carry was allowed. The majority of them happened in residences.

4) Of 133 mass shootings studied, there is ZERO evidence that the shooters picked gun free zones over any other "zone" when they planned their shootings. So the number on that one is 0%

5) Finally, Neither the motive nor the location of a mass shooting, have anything to do with ‘gun-free zones.

Don't mind me. I'm just debunking some BS.

It's ok....what you did point out is that there hasn't been any studies done on GFZ to matter. But they do matter! Because every mass shooting where people are unarmed, there are victims or potential victims. A person who is armed does have a fighting chance. Personally, I'd rather die on the mat than throw in the towel.
anti-gun weenies depend on that illusion of "Police Protection", that does not really exist.

Thank you.
I am sure LEO are wary as hell, with good reason for wannabe LEO's.

Sure, but it's been my experience that armed citizens will render aid and I can depend on some of them for help. In rural areas of the US, where police are spread very thin, the officers out there depend on armed citizens to assist. Eastern Oregon is a prime example of that....about 2000 or so square miles with a handful of officers....sometime one or two on duty at any given time.
There is even a section in Oregon law, that allows for that.

The 'nature of 'guns'' has indeed changed in 40-50 years.

In 1960 how many AR type weapons were in civilian hands? How many AK style weapons. high cap pistols???

I was issued my first 30 round mags for my Gubmint issue M16a1 in 1976, IIRC, when did you get yours? The sidearm was the old 1911 7+1 pistol. I wonder how many people would have died if the Colorado shooter had a bolt gun and double barrel shotgun instead of the weapons he did? or how many would have died at UV?

I have addressed 'the nature of people' to other posters- howsomever the 'gun' rubbers don't want closer scrutiny or reporting of mental health issues- they fear ANY realistic regulations as their infamous 'slippery slope'... :doh

How many thousands of M1 Garrands, M1 Carbines, or Sten guns? Lots!
A 1911 can be shot, reloaded, and shot and reloaded many times, inside a minute.

True. You guys get a chance to get acclimated to high stress situations, though. Over time the psych adjusts.

And then there's the people who just act on instinct, the other end of the spectrum.

True that. That's why in all my training classes, police or civilian, I induce as much stress as I can. I've graduated hundreds of very competent civilian shooters and future Olympians. ;)

#2 is unconstitutional since it allows too much discretion for often anti gun ass kissers of anti gun politicians. Shall issue is the only proper standard. Judges are starting to strike down #2 since it violates equal protection

That is correct and I'm contacting USA Carry to get that straightened out.

I primarily teach Oregon gun laws and they are vastly better than any Calif. gun laws.

It's a shall issue state on CCW .........and thousands carry openly. Any gun we want, no restrictions on types of CCW gun, except full auto.
 
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Have to disagree with you on that. Not only does a shooter always have the advantage of suprise in these situations, untrained personnel waving guns around are more likely to shoot each other or get shot then kill the shooter.

1) surprise is ony an advantage if you know in advance who to target
2) that scenario has never come to pass when CCW holders have responded to shootings
3) it is still a better scenario then allowing a shooter to rampage
 
That was the days! My dad said you could order guns right out of magazines, and you did through Sears and Wards catalogs. Wow, different times. The gun grabber nuts seem to have memories that don't stretch back further than 2012, maybe too much weed and LSD!

Yep drugs will rot your brain, so will an excess of adult beverages. The gun grabbers mostly consist of 3 negatives, to wit:

1. No experience in firearms or life or death situations
2. Products of liberal upbringing and Lefty talking points...most ****ed up
3. Too young to remember a lot of the good things in America, like orderings guns and motorcycles out of catalogs, no speed limit in Nevada, and people running for office, had some honor if not a lot.
 
1) surprise is ony an advantage if you know in advance who to target
2) that scenario has never come to pass when CCW holders have responded to shootings
3) it is still a better scenario then allowing a shooter to rampage


The first two are bogus as hell.

1. Targeting can be instantaneous ............and 2. many CCW holders across the US, have stopped criminals in progress, sometimes by shooting the perp and others by the mere presence of a firearm.

#3 is ok....and I agree.
 
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The first two are bogus as hell.

1. Targeting can be instantaneous ............and 2. many CCW holders across the US, have stopped criminals in progress, sometimes by shooting the perp and others by the mere presence of a firearm.

1) Targeting can be near-instantaneous, but knowing who to target is the challenge. You won't know who to target unless you witnessed the first shot and if you fire one then then next guy might think you're the instigator. All you'll see is a bunch of people with no discernible authority running around with their guns drawn.

2) There are also plenty of examples of CCW holders doing nothing, shooting the wrong person, or holding what turn out to be innocent bystanders at gunpoint.
 
Have to disagree with you on that. Not only does a shooter always have the advantage of suprise in these situations, untrained personnel waving guns around are more likely to shoot each other or get shot then kill the shooter.

You think weapon carry permits can be obtained without training or is that just what you would do?
 
Were any Gorillas shot ?
 
Nope....mentioning that this is a Gun Free Zone, is not exploitation...it's a fact.

Like in ever shooting incident like this....people cannot defend themselves.

The reality is ending gun free zones would not stop these attacks at all, they would just change where they happen most. If someone is determined to shoot, stab, or blow up a bunch of people they will whether or not a gun free sign is posted.

In almost all of these cases, their goal is never to get out alive, but rather to kill as many as they can either randomly or systematically before the police kill them. For example in columbine almost everyone shot was pre planned, the shooter knew beforehand who they were going to kill, and let quite a few run past them. In columbine though it was revenge for bullying, and all their targets planned.


If you remove gun free zones, they will go somewhere where their odds are best. If it is like columbine, their target is their target and no security would deter them, for people wanting fame before suicide by cop, it will be anywhere with the best results they can achieve.
 
You did in this very thread. Sorry, but the facts show that you jumped at the chance to exploit this tragedy.

And can you show, "historically", where I have ever been unable to handle facts? Bet you can't...

No, I did no such thing!

Historically, you pretty much call me a liar on ever post I make, most of them exceedingly factual...and you can't handle the facts. You absolutely refuse to accept the facts that I present, time and time again! :flame:
 
It is and Gun Free Zones are a Green Light for bad guys!

Shooter at large...
Gun free zones are green lights for bad guys because no one enforces the gun free zone. It's a lot of indoctrination. No one actually makes sure there are no guns in a gun free zone. Go door to door. Confiscate all guns. Put people in jail who refuse to give up their guns. Then you'll have a successful gun free zone.
 
No, I did no such thing!

LoLz. Making **** up is not a great debate strategy. You should try something different.

Historically, you pretty much call me a liar on ever post I make, most of them exceedingly factual...and you can't handle the facts. You absolutely refuse to accept the facts that I present, time and time again! :flame:

So you should have no problem finding an example or two.
 
It just occurred to me, that the anti-gun folks on here, don't quite understand what I'm saying about a Gun Free Zone.

Or the whole thing just goes over their heads.

The danger of a GFZ, is not that the criminals are going to pay any attention to that, and take advantage of it..............but that the potential victims are being less protected by it. In the schools, the work place, the churches, in govt. buildings. Leaving people defenseless, is no guarantee that some nutjob won't come in with a gun. and kill your ass.
Any institution or business that restricts your self defense, is endangering your well being, in society.
The police cannot protect you......repeat that several times. In all the mass shootings that have taken place in the US or Europe, police protection did not help all those killed and wounded. A GFZ is a pull your panties down, bend over, and wait to be raped type of thing. It's like...........Here I am Mr. Nutjob..............take me!
 
UCLA has its own police department of 62 sworn and armed officers so it's obviously not a gun-free campus.

which takes how long to respond?
 
LoLz. Making **** up is not a great debate strategy. You should try something different.



So you should have no problem finding an example or two.

I make up.........................Nothing! It's all factual to the best of my knowledge. Do I error on occasion like everyone else? Sure.

Every post rebuttal from you, on any post I have ever made....it's all out there, if you are so concerned ............find them yourself.
 
Were any Gorillas shot ?

Ape Lives Matter?

I wonder if it was because he was black? But its funny how the senseless killing of a gorilla does garner more attention that another murder-suicide
 
Gun free zones are green lights for bad guys because no one enforces the gun free zone. It's a lot of indoctrination. No one actually makes sure there are no guns in a gun free zone. Go door to door. Confiscate all guns. Put people in jail who refuse to give up their guns. Then you'll have a successful gun free zone.

so are you going to volunteer to round up those guns? why should someone go to jail for exercising their constitutional rights?
 
which takes how long to respond?

Depends on how many are on coffee/doughnut break, texting their sweetie, off sick, off on maternity leave, off on vacation, testifying in court, clear across campus, which is huge.
62 sworn personnel and only a handful to respond at any given time.

I worked in two departments, both with 120 sworn personnel....and on any given graveyard shift, I was often times, the only one on the street patrolling the entire city.
Silly libs look at numbers and surmise what they think should be the case...it usually isn't!
 
It appears that a number of pro-gun folks on here don't quite understand or flat-out disagree with what you're saying about Gun Free Zones.

Yet you'll defend the Teflon Don's right to have GFZ on his private property .

It just occurred to me, that the anti-gun folks on here, don't quite understand what I'm saying about a Gun Free Zone.

Or the whole thing just goes over their heads.

The danger of a GFZ, is not that the criminals are going to pay any attention to that, and take advantage of it..............but that the potential victims are being less protected by it. In the schools, the work place, the churches, in govt. buildings. Leaving people defenseless, is no guarantee that some nutjob won't come in with a gun. and kill your ass.
Any institution or business that restricts your self defense, is endangering your well being, in society.
The police cannot protect you......repeat that several times. In all the mass shootings that have taken place in the US or Europe, police protection did not help all those killed and wounded. A GFZ is a pull your panties down, bend over, and wait to be raped type of thing. It's like...........Here I am Mr. Nutjob..............take me!
 
I make up.........................Nothing! It's all factual to the best of my knowledge. Do I error on occasion like everyone else? Sure.

Every post rebuttal from you, on any post I have ever made....it's all out there, if you are so concerned ............find them yourself.

So you cannot find even one example. LoLz...
 
It seems that this was a murder/suicide in the engineering building. Maybe some disgruntled graduate student taking it out on a professor. Though that's just a wild guess, I haven't seen any details.
 
Ape Lives Matter?

I wonder if it was because he was black? But its funny how the senseless killing of a gorilla does garner more attention that another murder-suicide

The kid was a Black kid as well. I wonder if he were a white kid, if they would have shot the Ape?

Some dope in England said this killing was worse than murder! liberals are just plain mental cases!

Gun free zones are green lights for bad guys because no one enforces the gun free zone. It's a lot of indoctrination. No one actually makes sure there are no guns in a gun free zone. Go door to door. Confiscate all guns. Put people in jail who refuse to give up their guns. Then you'll have a successful gun free zone.

What ****ing planet do you live on? Criminals IGNORE Gun Free Zones.
 
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