Shooting at UCLA engineering building

[MickeyW]

It was a homicide and a suicide. Situation is completely contained.

Correct.

 

[JANFU]

I have no agenda...I just state facts.
I'm exploiting ...nothing!
I never said anything about motive on this thread....nor do I know what it was.
We see mass killings, in Gun Free Zones, all over the world.....several times per year.

Your criticism, like that of Redress....is unfounded and wrong!

Nope- one sign of good character traits is accepting constructive criticism.
As an ex LEO, you should knew that.

 

[MickeyW]

Correct- recall that one who was shooting at shoplifters, happened a few months back. Never had 1 hit. Very lucky that no one was injured or killed by a poor shot or a ricochet. That wannabe Super Girl should had done serious time.
But oh no, 18 months probation.
She lost her CCW, but is she still able to obtain weapons??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-probation-vows-to-never-help-anybody-again/

Police officers shoot wild all the time, have many ricochets, hit many unintended citizens.....
Anyone can have functioning problems, under extreme stress...

 

[MickeyW]

Nope- one sign of good character traits is accepting constructive criticism.
As an ex LEO, you should knew that.

Except, you are totally off base with this!

If anyone needs constructive criticism, it's those who have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[JANFU]

I am not now....and NEVER have ......exploited anything of this nature.

I merely state the facts!

And historically, you Can't Handle the Facts!

You did in this very thread. Sorry, but the facts show that you jumped at the chance to exploit this tragedy.

And can you show, "historically", where I have ever been unable to handle facts? Bet you can't...

Can you answer Redress's question?
Dollars to donuts that would be a No.

 

[Erod]

It was a homicide and a suicide. Situation is completely contained.

Two men dead.

 

[Phys251]

****. Here we go again.

 

[Hatuey]

Target motive or random?

Student or outsider?

Islamic terrorism or not?

Christian angry at liberals?

Dumb racist white male angry at smarter white males?

Jewish bagel angry at panini bread?

 

[JANFU]

Police officers shoot wild all the time, have many ricochets, hit many unintended citizens.....
Anyone can have functioning problems, under extreme stress...

This was not, again Not a stressful situation.
She could have murdered, yes murdered an innocent person due to her wannabe a Super Cop attitude.
She should have received serious jail time- perhaps 5 years. Which IIRC is the same sentence a person convicted of shoplifting can receive.
Any bets though, that her charges, if they went full steam with them would not have recieved a 5 year sentence?
She should never be near a weapon again.
Freak should be in jail.

And the Judges comments-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-probation-vows-to-never-help-anybody-again/

Whether or not she’s a sharpshooter, Duva-Rodriguez will now have to wait until at least 2023 to carry a concealed weapon again, Nicholson ordered.

“I don’t believe any malice was involved in what you were doing,” the judge said, according to the AP, “but I believe you have to think about what could have happened.”

Kerist- she fired 2 rounds at people- No malice- really.

 

[JANFU]

Except, you are totally off base with this!

If anyone needs constructive criticism, it's those who have no idea what they are talking about.

Not me.

 

[MickeyW]

A tired, false worn out meme from the 'gun' rubbers....

First these schools have roving ARMED police patrols, so easy isn't the word i'd pick. Next so few CCW carry even in 'gun' friendly state the odds of a skilled and courageous citizen being at the right place at the right time is slim at best.

Next- most workplace/higher education shootings are REVENGE shootings- targeting a particular person, perhaps a couple of people- hence low body counts compared to primary and secondary shootings or public assembly mass murder. The odds of armed citizens being able to stop the shooter from taking down the primary target are extremely low. (I believe this is being called a murder-suicide- little hope of any CCW stopping at least the first death and the second one was again the shooter's intent as well)

But do keep rubbing that 'gun' and clinging to myths... eace

No myth at all. It's denial by anti-gun folks who don't know squat.

And yet, it has been very easy for the bad guys to act. Roving armed police patrols can't be everywhere and the bad guys know that. Besides, I don't know what schools have that. Many schools have few on duty at one time, some schools have none.

As for revenge, sometimes, but there were 30 people killed at Virginia Tech in '07, by one guy. And that one guy could have been easily taken out at anytime if anyone was armed....they weren't and 30 died and several wounded. Not revenge...a nutjob.
Same thing at UCC in Oregon in Oct. 9 died, 8 wounded...maybe revenge...but a nutjob nevertheless.

One or two armed citizens could have taken him out forthwith.

 

[Grand Mal]

I thought it was against the school policy to brings guns onto the UCLA campus.
https://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/prevention-education/education/weapons-are-prohibited-on-campus

Atta boy. Third post, less than a half-hour in, and here you are making sarcastic points off it.
Every time this happens, it's one of maybe five posters who make the obligatory lowbrow, petulant snear about 'gun-free zones'. Damn. You guys don't care how you look, do you.

 

[Tigerace117]

You can disagree, if you'd like.......

However, in a classroom full of people, that element of surprise is momentary.............. and a CCW person also has an element of surprise.

An active shooter has to focus on one person at a time, leaving them vulnerable to others.

If a person is packing a firearm and has his/her CC permit, they are not untrained, nor should they be waving a gun around...that denotes a reckless, untrained person.
Calif. requires 16 hours of training....minimum. I require the same in my classes.

It's one thing in practice--- it's quite another when **** actually goes down.

Let's say a shooter is using an AR-15 semi automatic rifle. He can fire at least twenty times in a very short period of time. Assume he only hits 60% of his shots--- that's still at least ten people dead or wounded. Meanwhile the good guy still needs to draw the handgun, disengage the safety, find a clear lane of fire to the target and incapacitate the shooter by shooting him in the head or upper torso, all in the span of seconds while adrenaline is pumping, people are screaming and running everywhere....

 

[Tigerace117]

Correct- recall that one who was shooting at shoplifters, happened a few months back. Never had 1 hit. Very lucky that no one was injured or killed by a poor shot or a ricochet. That wannabe Super Girl should had done serious time.
But oh no, 18 months probation.
She lost her CCW, but is she still able to obtain weapons??



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-probation-vows-to-never-help-anybody-again/

Shooting at shoplifters is a bit excessive IMO. You should only draw if yourself or another person is in serious danger of personal injury or death. Stealing stuff doesn't necessitate popping off a few rounds with a revolver.

 

[Lutherf]

It's one thing in practice--- it's quite another when **** actually goes down.

Let's say a shooter is using an AR-15 semi automatic rifle. He can fire at least twenty times in a very short period of time. Assume he only hits 60% of his shots--- that's still at least ten people dead or wounded. Meanwhile the good guy still needs to draw the handgun, disengage the safety, find a clear lane of fire to the target and incapacitate the shooter by shooting him in the head or upper torso, all in the span of seconds while adrenaline is pumping, people are screaming and running everywhere....

Are you under the impression that the AR platform negates those things (aiming, adrenaline, safety, etc)?

 

[Tigerace117]

Are you under the impression that the AR platform negates those things (aiming, adrenaline, safety, etc)?

Well, not entirely. But the shooter doesn't have to worry about collateral damage, and can put out a significant rate of fire to make up for nerves.

 

[Redress]

No myth at all. It's denial by anti-gun folks who don't know squat.

And yet, it has been very easy for the bad guys to act. Roving armed police patrols can't be everywhere and the bad guys know that. Besides, I don't know what schools have that. Many schools have few on duty at one time, some schools have none.

As for revenge, sometimes, but there were 30 people killed at Virginia Tech in '07, by one guy. And that one guy could have been easily taken out at anytime if anyone was armed....they weren't and 30 died and several wounded. Not revenge...a nutjob.
Same thing at UCC in Oregon in Oct. 9 died, 8 wounded...maybe revenge...but a nutjob nevertheless.

One or two armed citizens could have taken him out forthwith.

You are so right, you don't have an agenda, you are not exploiting a tragedy...:roll:

 

[MickeyW]

You won't see this happening next fall in Texas, My kids will be armed with AR-15's for class. Violence breaks they will eliminate the threat.

Well, that should take care of the gangs....but train them to know their target and what is beyond that target.
.223/5.56 bullets, as you probably know, will zip thru several people.
The AR would not be my choice for self defense at school.

Ca does not require 16 hours of training, and as of January first of this year the ccw exemption has been removed from GFZ.

From USA Carry:

Requirements:
California law allows Police Chiefs and County Sheriffs to issue a license to carry a concealed firearm if the following requirements are met:
1. Upon proof that the person applying is of good moral character
2. That good cause exists for the issuance
3. The applicant is a resident of the county or city to which they are applying (or the applicant’s place of employment is within the city or county)
4. The applicant has completed a course of training (16-24 hours)

 

[longview]

Atta boy. Third post, less than a half-hour in, and here you are making sarcastic points off it.
Every time this happens, it's one of maybe five posters who make the obligatory lowbrow, petulant snear about 'gun-free zones'. Damn. You guys don't care how you look, do you.

Sometimes sarcasm can be used to highlight the ineffectiveness of rules like gun free zones.

 

[MickeyW]

You are so right, you don't have an agenda, you are not exploiting a tragedy...:roll:

That is exactly right.

 

[notquiteright]

Chicago and DC said to tell you 'hello' this past weekend.

Doubling down on the tired old 'gun' rubber meme- imagine that... :roll:

Until the illegal pipeline from dozens of poorly regulated 'gun' stores in the surrounding states are brought under control there will be no joy in Mudville... eace

 

[Bootlace]

Well, that should take care of the gangs....but train them to know their target and what is beyond that target.
.223/5.56 bullets, as you probably know, will zip thru several people.
The AR would not be my choice for self defense at school.



From USA Carry:

Requirements:
California law allows Police Chiefs and County Sheriffs to issue a license to carry a concealed firearm if the following requirements are met:
1. Upon proof that the person applying is of good moral character
2. That good cause exists for the issuance
3. The applicant is a resident of the county or city to which they are applying (or the applicant’s place of employment is within the city or county)
4. The applicant has completed a course of training (16-24 hours)

And USA carry would be wrong.
Training acceptable to the issuing authority but no more than 16 hours.

 

[MickeyW]

It's one thing in practice--- it's quite another when **** actually goes down.

Let's say a shooter is using an AR-15 semi automatic rifle. He can fire at least twenty times in a very short period of time. Assume he only hits 60% of his shots--- that's still at least ten people dead or wounded. Meanwhile the good guy still needs to draw the handgun, disengage the safety, find a clear lane of fire to the target and incapacitate the shooter by shooting him in the head or upper torso, all in the span of seconds while adrenaline is pumping, people are screaming and running everywhere....

That's one scenario, but not always the case.

Didn't happen that way at:

Virginia Tech
UCC
Columbine
or several workplace shootings.
In one workplace shooting, the boss took the guy out....within seconds

 

[Phys251]

Nope- one sign of good character traits is accepting constructive criticism.
As an ex LEO, you should knew that.

MickeyW used to be a cop?

 

[MickeyW]

And USA carry would be wrong.
Training acceptable to the issuing authority but no more than 16 hours.

Then they need to be contacted and fix that info. I will do that.