We don't even know what WE'RE doing half the time, how are we supposed to know what anyone ELSE is doing? :lol:
Women in much of the Mideast are property, not even enjoying the rights granted animals in the US. In a world with the Koran as a constitution, terrorist regimes and backwards fundamentalism still entrenched, there's nothing wrong with bragging about a transparent justice system based on human, civil, labor and environmental rights.
The issue is not who her rapists were. The issue is that she spent time in prison for being raped. Her rapists could have been asians, arabs, whites, blacks, etc or UAE nationality or other. The article doesn't mention their ethnicity (or maybe I missed it). All we know is that they were her colleagues at the hotel and some got deported (so some were not UAE nationals).
In the US, 25% of reported rapes result in an arrest (wiki). There are a variety of reasons for this. Of those resulting in arrest, many are plead and others dropped. Probably less than half go to court. You're looking at an end stat as if there is no attention given to the case unless it goes to court.
Sensationalist drivel, after all you put animals down when they get sick and kill others for sport.Women in much of the mideast are property, not even enjoying the rights granted animals in the US.
There's a difference between what it is based on or supposed to be based on anyway and how it is in practice. For instance, the United States only fully legalized homosexuality (or struck down sodomy laws) in 2003 with the supreme court ruling going 6 to 3 and as usual Scalia dissenting, but ultimately I agree it is stupid to compare western liberal moral values to the socially conservative moral values in the west or east specially when those conservative moral values are based on ancient religious text.In a world with the Koran as a constitution, terrorist regimes and backwards fundamentalism still entrenched, there's nothing wrong with bragging about a transparent justice system based on human, civil, labor and environmental rights.
you mean by middle-east is the countries are the best USA allies right?! like Suadi Arabia, Bahrain, Jordan and ...
Regardless of how true that number is, I don't think anyone should brag or be proud of this;Lonewolf, what you fail to understand is that rape only goes to court in totalitarian theocratic/monarchist states about .001% of the time.
Of course. Do you think the US should invade everyone at the same time? As long as a country is within their UN agreements and is engaged diplomatically and economically, then other tools in the diplomatic toolbox will be brought to bear in attempt to push development and democracy. We can't go to war against everyone at the same time and we must establish priorities according to individual context.
Doesn't matter how bad other numbers are, that graph is shameful and there is no ifs or buts about it.
invading has nothing to do with spreading freedom or democracy! it's just a dirty business for politicians and economic elites. at least people should understand it by know.
That doesn't excuse the fact that totalitarian theocracy/monarchy/dictatorships report a thousand times less and women are killed for being raped. In Saddam's Iraq, rape was a matter of official government business.
support dictators and crazy governments and groups that take orders in middle east (no matter what are they or what are they doing).
you can start with supporting Taliban in Afghanistan in mid 70s, Iran last dictator, Saddam hossain in mid 80s and 90s, Saudi Arabia right now, Bahrain, United Arab empire and the lists of USA allies goes on and on with craziest persons and groups in history.
:shock: Never heard of NSA?
That's nuts. The ME would be screwed up anyway. Do I think we should EVER align ourselves with questionable groups of people from the ME? Of course not!
It looks to me like, for some reason, you're shifting the focus of the discussion onto the rapists to avoid addressing the issue of the victim.I never said she was jailed for falsely accusing someone, I was simply wondering about the details of the case and the guys' defence. Though if you go sell your story and accuse people of being rapists I assume you can get sued for slander in the US.
It looks to me like, for some reason, you're shifting the focus of the discussion onto the rapists to avoid addressing the issue of the victim.
Same question as in post #63:
A woman was imprisoned for 8 months after complaining to the police about getting gangraped. Do you or do you not think that this situation warrants condemnation on the part of every civilized human being on the planet?
Yes or no please.
Also, in your previous "answer" to this question you said: "I think the charges brought on ALL Parties are reprehensible". What are you talking about? What charges were brought on the victim? (assuming you were referring to her)
Seriously? Its very clear;
Reprehinsible; Deserving censure or condemnation.
The charge that led to her imprisonment obviously, which incidentally happens to be stated right next to the part you quoted... Your attempt to make it seem like I haven't already condemned the system is really weird specially when you go ahead and quote a statement where I do.
Anyway, even though I generally like RDS' posts, I disagree with him when it comes to Sharia and agree with Chris, anyone with common sense should condemn Sharia just as they should condemn Biblical law and any other convoluted and twisted laws that violate human rights.
Also just for the heck of it;
Do you or do you not think that a systems that fails the overwhelming majority of raped women warrants condemnation on the part of every civilized human being on the planet?
Well, forgive me, but your statement that: "I think the charges brought on ALL Parties are reprehensible" didn't strike me as criticism of the UAE's justice system. It sounded more like you were criticising the woman and her (alleged) rapists.Seriously? Its very clear;
Reprehinsible; Deserving censure or condemnation.
The charge that led to her imprisonment, which "happens to be stated right next to the part I quoted" is having extra-marital sex. The source of my confusion is that I didn't think you (or any other civilized person, for that matter ) would consider having extra-marital sex to be "reprehensible". Once again, my bad.The charge that led to her imprisonment obviously, which incidentally happens to be stated right next to the part you quoted...
It sounded like you were saying that while jailing someone for having sex is silly, she was imprisoned for falsely accusing the (alleged) rapists. Once again, my bad.Your attempt to make it seem like I haven't already condemned the system is really weird specially when you go ahead and quote a statement where I do.
Fair enough.Anyway, even though I generally like RDS' posts, I disagree with him when it comes to Sharia and agree with Chris, anyone with common sense should condemn Sharia just as they should condemn Biblical law and any other convoluted and twisted laws that violate human rights.
While I'm not sure the term "condemnation" is one I'd use, I do think that more needs to be done to bring rapists to justice.Also just for the heck of it;
Do you or do you not think that a systems that fails the overwhelming majority of raped women warrants condemnation on the part of every civilized human being on the planet?
Well, forgive me, but your statement that: "I think the charges brought on ALL Parties are reprehensible" didn't strike me as criticism of the UAE's justice system. It sounded more like you were criticising the woman and her (alleged) rapists.
My mistake, I guess.
BTW, if you're going to imperiously quote dictionary definitions of a word, at least try to get their spelling right.
The charge that led to her imprisonment, which "happens to be stated right next to the part I quoted" is having extra-marital sex. The source of my confusion is that I didn't think you (or any other civilized person, for that matter ) would consider having extra-marital sex to be "reprehensible". Once again, my bad.
It sounded like you were saying that while jailing someone for having sex is silly, she was imprisoned for falsely accusing the (alleged) rapists. Once again, my bad.
Nice try, but she wasn't jailed for "falsely" accusing those men, she was jailed for having extra-marital sex, which you yourself just admitted is silly (although I'd use stronger language than that).
She wasn't convicted of being raped, she was convicted along with the other men of consensual sex and drinking without a licence.
While I'm not sure the term "condemnation" is one I'd use, I do think that more needs to be done to bring rapists to justice.
I am sure it doesn't, for the purpose of this strawman anyway.
Hey don't "criticise" :lol:. Also "imperiously", really? how many times have I quoted a dictionary for you? once?
Obviously it is not enough as it seems our spelling skills and your comprehension continue to suffer.
I bet.
Wait I thought you had 'misinterpreted' my condemnation of the the charges brought on the 3 involved to mean condemnation of people having sex and not the fact that its illegal, Where did you bring this "silly" word from I wonder.
I mean you can't play dumb or ignorant now when you have already said this 3 pages earlier:
With the post directly before it being mine in which I say;
Disingenuous doesn't really suit you.
I guess there's where we differ, I think any system that fails the victims specially at such a high rate is worthy of condemnation.
they are not Questionable, they are craziest group and governments in the world. they bow to west so they can continue they crazy approach. US already have helped to establishing dozen of terrorrism group who are killing our people like Taliban and Al-Qaeda, Jondolla in Pakistan, mojahedin khalgh and list goes on and on.
how could ME people get rid off their dictators when they are fully supported by west and are allowing to do whatever they want.
You believe the US is responsible for the actions of everyone?
Saddam was under heavy sanctions for the violation of 17 Chapter 7 UNSCRs. He had been pushed out of Kuwait. That's hardly "do whatever they want".
I hope the liberals who believe in multiculturalism take note of such realities of different cultures.
UAE doesn't operate under sharia, I know this will come across pathetically academic but, it is the truth, what they've done if everything is as reported, is devised an asinine law based on misinterpretations of legal principles.
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