Senator denies remark was racist

[jfuh]

There are some that would disagree with you:

If the remark was not racist, why did Biden apologize??

It's the same spin on the quote that STinger put on it.
The very fact that your un-linked quote comes from the founder of the Indian-American Republican Council, Dr. Vijay, only further prooves my point of partisanship being the only reason why those in the GOP want to make something out of nothing as to excuse themselves of Allen's shame.

You'll have to ask Biden as to why he apologized. But perhaps you can analyze that exact quote Biden said and show how it's in any ways racists?
Here's from a bi-partisan source:

Supriya Christopher, executive director for the bipartisan U.S.-India Political Action Committee (USINPAC), tells CBSNews.com that Biden's comments were taken out of context and she did not consider them derogatory or racially charged.

Christopher dismissed blaming Biden's poorly-received comments on his speaking style.

"For anybody who's been in office that long, I'd hope he'd speak extemporaneously," she said. - source

THen here's a little something to Dr. Vijay: "Yo Mama's a Macaca"

 

[Gill]

It's the same spin on the quote that STinger put on it.
The very fact that your un-linked quote comes from the founder of the Indian-American Republican Council, Dr. Vijay, only further prooves my point of partisanship being the only reason why those in the GOP want to make something out of nothing as to excuse themselves of Allen's shame.

You'll have to ask Biden as to why he apologized. But perhaps you can analyze that exact quote Biden said and show how it's in any ways racists?

I think Dr. Vijay did an excellent job explaining how it was racist to an INDIAN person. Since you are not Indian, it may not be racist to you, but it obviously was to some Indians.

Some would consider your multiple use of the 'N' word in this thread to be racist also.

 

[26 X World Champs]

First of all Zogby is one the most unreliable posters in history, secondly he is a mouthpiece for the democrats.......

I would not bet you house on that poll Champs...........

Funny that your favorite site NEWSMAX was the one reporting it without the caveat you just wrote, don't you think?

Hell NP, NEWSMAX is the GOSPEL according to Navy Pride! How come you're now saying that they're full of $hit? I always thought they were full of $hit because they're so slanted towards Republicans...so what does it say when they report that Allen is losing????

I'm in rural Virginia as I type this masterpiece and the very Conservative folks around here are very negative about Allen...Unlike the stereotype people like to make the amount of racism in this part of VA is minute and people of all colors work and live side by side....so Allen's words were not taken very positively here...but that's just my informal POV based on conversations with my neighbors et al.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Check out the made up bullshit here.
Red handidly caught inserting lies into a quote completely taking it out of context.

You're dealing with someone who cannot even stay on the topic of this thread...instead, typical of many Republicans Stinger diverts away from Allen's racist comments and tries to make this a thread about Biden! SOOOOO TYPICAL!

We're dealing with fanatics here who have become addicted to the Republican Elixir so much so that no matter which Republican says what there are certain people here will defend them no matter what....yet they then pretend to not be a Republican...what is the psychoanalysis of that I wonder? Dr. Freud are you reading this?

 

[jfuh]

I think Dr. Vijay did an excellent job explaining how it was racist to an INDIAN person. Since you are not Indian, it may not be racist to you, but it obviously was to some Indians.

Some would consider your multiple use of the 'N' word in this thread to be racist also.

COngratulations, my use of Ni_gger is very much racist and thank you for prooving the point that regardless of what context that word is used in it doesn't nullify it's racist conotations.

Now if only I was the only person that thought Biden's comment wasn't racist so be your argument. However I'm not the only one. The USINPAC seems to agree with me as well as the assertion that Allen's statment was very racist.
Incase you jump the gun USINPAC is bi-partisan.

 

[26 X World Champs]

There are some that would disagree with you:
Quote:
"Joe Biden has a history of making insensitive and inappropriate remarks," said Dr. Vijay. "But even for him, this recent gaffe is clearly over the top."

"Senator Biden will be surprised to hear that I am a cardiothoracic surgeon, leading a national association of Indian Americans who are physicians, attorneys, and small business owners. It's amazing to know we don't all work at Dunkin Donuts or the local 7/11. The contributions to America by Indian Americans in the fields of medicine, education, science, and business have been well-documented. We’re not asking Sen. Biden to apologize for his embarrassing, stereotypical comments. However, we do appreciate knowing what he really thinks of his Indian-American constituents in Delaware," Dr. Vijay said.

Isn't there a Forum rule about sourcing quotes with the link to the website that it comes from? What are you hiding????

 

[jfuh]

Isn't there a Forum rule about sourcing quotes with the link to the website that it comes from? What are you hiding????

Probably the fact that he got it from newsmax or some other bias news source and also that Dr. Vijay is the founder of the Indian-American Republican Council which states:

The IARC is a 501 (c)(4) organization, and is the only national organization in America representing Indian American Republicans. While we come from many parts of India and live across the U.S., we are united in our belief that less government, more liberty, and a strong national defense are in the best interests of our country and we share these values with the Republican Party.

In otherwords a lapdog of the GOP.

 

[Stinger]

1. :spin: So I can say hey there Mr. Ni_gger to a black guy, or say "Mr. Ni_gger or whatever your name is." And it wouldn't be racist? The context isn't racist. That's bullshit and you know it.

I don't know or care what YOU want to do I'm talking about what Senator ALLEN did and said.

1. Yes or no?

As I said depends. You're not in a postition to dictate my choices to me.

1. Let's examine again then.

Them? It was one statement.

"In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian-Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking."

How in the world do you get from the context of the statment made by Biden to state that Indians are smart enough ONLY to work menial jobs is beyond me.

Did he say other races working in those menial jobs, did he say Indians working are a high level job as an engineer. Nope he specifically relegated them to menial jobs.

So if you are going to claim Allen's statment was racist then you are showing the typical hypocracy by giving Biden a buy.

That's the ground you choose to defend and I am more than happy to let you do it.

So will you not support Biden if he wins the nomination or will you support this guy who denigrate a racial group?

Perhaps you can show how you relate that?

I have repeatedly.

Now you are making up language to suit your own purpose.

Nope.

There is no way whatsoever in which that sentance by any means makes the statement of intelligence or reservation towards the Indian race. You are being very dishonest.

Nope.

You've failed to show how in any way biden's statment is racists.

Using the bar you have placed it most certainly is.

Instead you've turned it around and inserted your own garbage into it so that the quote would take on a different meaning.

Now that is a lie.

"In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian-Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking."

What was inserted?

You have lied and you've lied poorly at that. You're lie is very clear in this forum here twice now.

Post what you claim I have posted is a lie else withdraw your accusation.

It shows that you are completely owned by the GOP

OOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Completely owned. So I guess that is suppose to give merit to your assertions? Grow up.

and refuse to acknowledge what is blatently obious.

Why should I when it is not ture. If I am a Republican why did I vote for the previous Democrat Govenor, several Democrat Supreme Court justices, will be voting for the Democrat running for state Attorney General and a Democrat state Senator? Heck I didn't even vote for Bush last time. Explain that?

I am a conservative, not a republican. Do you have the intellectual ablitly to make the distinction?

You operate on the premise that because so and so said something that it makes it alright for another to knowingly do the same.

I think your emotions overcome you and you make no sense.

Yet you've been unable to show such a fallacious premise in a truthful and honest manner without inserting false pretenses into the statement.:liar2

If you think anybody buys your phoney assertions about those here with an opposing opinion, if you think it adds merit to your arguements I have a lot of land in Florida to sell you.

Now if you want to stick to the issues, end your personal attacks, stop with the invective then let's continue. Else I have no interest in your phoney tirads.

 

[Stinger]

Check out the made up bullshit here.
Red handidly caught inserting lies into a quote completely taking it out of context.

Here is the quote I posted

"In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian-Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking."

Here it is as captured by the C-Span cameras and transcribed on NewsMax
"In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian-Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking."

Here is a link with a video of it you can watch and listen to yourself.

So where is the lie you claim, else withdraw it and appologize.

 

[jfuh]

[/list]I don't know or care what YOU want to do I'm talking about what Senator ALLEN did and said. As I said depends. You're not in a postition to dictate my choices to me. Them? It was one statement.

I never said them did I? look again at your own quoting, I said THEN with an N.
If by your claim that context can nullify racism then surly my statement wouldn't in any way be racist nor then would the word Ni_gger in proper contexts. Keep on spinning Stinger.

Did he say other races working in those menial jobs, did he say Indians working are a high level job as an engineer. Nope he specifically relegated them to menial jobs.

Did he specify that the INdians were working only at the counter? Perhaps the manager? Did he say menial? Did he say that those were the only places where you would find Indians? HAve you been around in NJ? There are lots of Indians.

So if you are going to claim Allen's statment was racist then you are showing the typical hypocracy by giving Biden a buy.

You've still failed to show that Biden's was racist to begin with. all you've done is spun and lie.

That's the ground you choose to defend and I am more than happy to let you do it.

So will you not support Biden if he wins the nomination or will you support this guy who denigrate a racial group?

I of course would support Biden, there's nothing yet that I see where I shouldn't support him. All I see is your desperate attempt to take his statement out of context.

I have repeatedly.



Nope.



Nope.


Using the bar you have placed it most certainly is.



Now that is a lie.

"In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian-Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking."

What was inserted?

What was inserted? Let's see now, how about this:

So is demeaing an entire race as only smart enough to work menial jobs racist and that you have to have an indian accent to go into a place they work racist? Yes or no?

Post what you claim I have posted is a lie else withdraw your accusation.

Look above.

OOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Completely owned. So I guess that is suppose to give merit to your assertions? Grow up.

As is prooven by party rhetoric that you constantly regurgitate.

Why should I when it is not ture. If I am a Republican why did I vote for the previous Democrat Govenor, several Democrat Supreme Court justices, will be voting for the Democrat running for state Attorney General and a Democrat state Senator? Heck I didn't even vote for Bush last time. Explain that?

I am a conservative, not a republican. Do you have the intellectual ablitly to make the distinction?

It walks like a duck, talks like a duck, acts like a duck. You tell me STinger. For all I know you are just lieing here so as to get out of this predicament that you've set yourself into.
You took down your conservative elephants.
Tell me, what democratic measures or ideals do you support?

I think your emotions overcome you and you make no sense.

And this has what to do in response to my statement you quoted?

If you think anybody buys your phoney assertions about those here with an opposing opinion, if you think it adds merit to your arguements I have a lot of land in Florida to sell you.

Now if you want to stick to the issues, end your personal attacks, stop with the invective then let's continue. Else I have no interest in your phoney tirads.

Hey look, I'll agree: "I have no interest in your phoney tirads."

 

[Gill]

Isn't there a Forum rule about sourcing quotes with the link to the website that it comes from? What are you hiding????

I'm not aware of any such rule. Perhaps you could post a link to it or copy and paste it since you are an expert on forum rules.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I'm not aware of any such rule. Perhaps you could post a link to it or copy and paste it since you are an expert on forum rules.

No problem Dude...here you go:

9. Copyrighted Material - All material posted from copyrighted material MUST contain a link to the original work.
Please do not post entire articles. Proper format is to paraphrase the contents of an article and/or post relevant excerpts and then link to the rest. Best bet is to always reference the original source.
Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 107 http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html

Source: http://www.debatepolitics.com/1402-post1.html

But you know you conveniently avoided the real question? What are you hiding by not posting the link? Is that quote from a non-partisan site or is it from a Republican site? Share with us the truth Gill, please?

 

[Gill]

No problem Dude...here you go:

Source: http://www.debatepolitics.com/1402-post1.html

But you know you conveniently avoided the real question? What are you hiding by not posting the link? Is that quote from a non-partisan site or is it from a Republican site? Share with us the truth Gill, please?

My apologies. I looked, but did not find this rule.

And the link you requested:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/07/politics/main1785303.shtml

Yep, it's from the neocon organization, CBS News.

 

[jfuh]

My apologies. I looked, but did not find this rule.

And the link you requested:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/07/politics/main1785303.shtml

Yep, it's from the neocon organization, CBS News.

Hey, that link looks quite familiar, oh that's right it's the source I used here.
Then it's quite interesting how you forgot to also quote that last section.

 

[26 X World Champs]

My apologies. I looked, but did not find this rule.

And the link you requested:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/07/politics/main1785303.shtml

Yep, it's from the neocon organization, CBS News.

Apology humbly accepted, thank you....but I think you're gonna need to apologize again because the link you provided does NOT contain any of the quote that I asked you to source? That quote from your post earlier today said:

"Joe Biden has a history of making insensitive and inappropriate remarks," said Dr. Vijay. "But even for him, this recent gaffe is clearly over the top."

"Senator Biden will be surprised to hear that I am a cardiothoracic surgeon, leading a national association of Indian Americans who are physicians, attorneys, and small business owners. It's amazing to know we don't all work at Dunkin Donuts or the local 7/11. The contributions to America by Indian Americans in the fields of medicine, education, science, and business have been well-documented. We’re not asking Sen. Biden to apologize for his embarrassing, stereotypical comments. However, we do appreciate knowing what he really thinks of his Indian-American constituents in Delaware," Dr. Vijay said.

So once again I have to ask you for the proper source for that quote which is obviously politically motivated and in no way bi-partisan considering that Dr. Vijay is The founder of the Indian-American Republican Council.

Do you think I'm wrong? How about that source, please?

 

[jamesrage]

YEs and this is exclusively something that liberals do?

You are example of one of those liberals.

SO go up to a group of black guys james and keep saying "hey Ni_gger" in a non-racist context and then come back to us and tell us how it went.

So at first it was walk up to a black guy and call him a honkey now it is walk up to a black guy and call him a nigg er?Why don't you walk up to a white guy and call him a uncle tom and tell me if he stood there confused or laughed his *** off.

 

[jfuh]

You are example of one of those liberals.



So at first it was walk up to a black guy and call him a honkey now it is walk up to a black guy and call him a nigg er?Why don't you walk up to a white guy and call him a uncle tom and tell me if he stood there confused or laughed his *** off.

So like I've said, get back to us when you've finished doing so. Hey you're the one along with Stinger that are saying that context can nullify racial connotations. So why not proove it.

 

[jamesrage]

So like I've said, get back to us when you've finished doing so. Hey you're the one along with Stinger that are saying that context can nullify racial connotations. So why not proove it.

Macacca is not a raciak slur,so any points you are trying to make is invalid.

IF you are trying to prove that contex can not nullify racial contex then explain why the n-word is used in a non-deragatory/non-racist form amoung black youth?

 

[Captain America]

Apology humbly accepted, thank you....but I think you're gonna need to apologize again because the link you provided does NOT contain any of the quote that I asked you to source? That quote from your post earlier today said:

So once again I have to ask you for the proper source for that quote which is obviously politically motivated and in no way bi-partisan considering that Dr. Vijay is The founder of the Indian-American Republican Council.

Do you think I'm wrong? How about that source, please?

Here's one source: http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=a7da9621a443db7fd73a4ace2dc8f009&this_category_id=522&this_alt_category_id=

Another:
http://www.iarcnational.org/index.php?content=pr07062006

Another...(FreeRepublic...:rofl )
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1662022/posts

Another....
http://commonsensewonder.com/?cat=14



Another Freeper bites the dust....:rofl

 

[Stinger]

Macacca is not a raciak slur,so any points you are trying to make is invalid.

IF you are trying to prove that contex can not nullify racial contex then explain why the n-word is used in a non-deragatory/non-racist form amoung black youth?

And I had crackers with my soup tonight.

 

[aps]

What on earth is your point other than to make zero sense? The Republican party is so racially biased at it's core that not one member of Congress was ELECTED recently so none serve in Congress...Your pathetic point, and it was pathetic implies that Democrats have NEVER appointed a Black to the Supreme Court (not true) nor has it APPOINTED a Black Sec. of State...but one of the many flaws in your point is that neither Supreme Court justices nor Secs of State are ELECTED....

When there are elections no Black man or women who is Republican wins, or virtually never and not recently. Voting...do you know what that is or are you against that too?

One last important point....appointing someone something does not dissolve decades if not centuries of anti-Black Republicanism...nor does it even attract Blacks to the Republican party!

Now if Black Republican's were getting elected at all that would be a beginning...but for anyone to suggest that Blacks have any connection with the GOP then the proof would have to be the election of Black legistlaturers on all levels in all states....something that has never happened and certainly will not happen anytime soon...

So this is another MOOT post...pointless and chock full 'o rhetoric...

Excellent point, Champs. I am a little confused. Turtle claims he is a lawyer and implied that my scholastic credentials weren't as good as his. He bragged about practicing before the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. He made a legal assertion without providing any rationale for such assertion. Finally, the comments to which you responded aren't even true. So WTH?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Here's one source: http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=a7da9621a443db7fd73a4ace2dc8f009&this_category_id=522&this_alt_category_id=

Another:
http://www.iarcnational.org/index.php?content=pr07062006

Another...(FreeRepublic...:rofl )
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1662022/posts

Another....
http://commonsensewonder.com/?cat=14

Another Freeper bites the dust....:rofl

Good job, thanks! Did Gill Cut and Run on this one or what? The link that I highlighted above is the most important one because the person quoted by Gill was the founder of that organization. Their mission statement is:

Mission

*Provide a platform for Indian Americans to work with the Republican Party and participate actively at local, state and Federal levels nationwide in the formulation of policies that are of importance to the community and to the country.

Source: http://www.iarcnational.org/index.php?content=Mission

So I think it's reasonable to conclude that Dr. Vijay is a partisan and his comments have no validity whatsoever.....IMHO....prove me wrong Gill, OK?

 

[Gill]

Good job, thanks! Did Gill Cut and Run on this one or what? The link that I highlighted above is the most important one because the person quoted by Gill was the founder of that organization. Their mission statement is:


Source: http://www.iarcnational.org/index.php?content=Mission

So I think it's reasonable to conclude that Dr. Vijay is a partisan and his comments have no validity whatsoever.....IMHO....prove me wrong Gill, OK?

If the CBS link is not it, then I'm not sure where it came from. I do know that it was not Free Republic.

So, Dr. Vijay is a partisan and that makes his comments invalid?? Well, guess that makes all your comments invalid also as you are the biggest liberal/Dem. partisan on this board.

 

[26 X World Champs]

If the CBS link is not it, then I'm not sure where it came from. I do know that it was not Free Republic.

So, Dr. Vijay is a partisan and that makes his comments invalid?? Well, guess that makes all your comments invalid also as you are the biggest liberal/Dem. partisan on this board.

Who ever said anything I write is valid? :smile:

Dr. Vijay started and runs an organization to further Republican interests so please spare me that his words are impartial. Had his group been bi-partisan like this quote from the CBS site that you originally sourced:

Supriya Christopher, executive director for the bipartisan U.S.-India Political Action Committee (USINPAC), tells CBSNews.com that Biden's comments were taken out of context and she did not consider them derogatory or racially charged.

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/07/politics/main1785303.shtml

Had you done that your point would be valid...but citing a paritsan source invalidates your point and makes it moot...

FYI - USINPAC says of itself:

USINPAC's mission is to impact policy on issues of concern to the Indian American community in the United States.

USINPAC provides bipartisan support to candidates for federal, state and local office who support the issues that are important to the Indian American community.

Source: http://www.usinpac.com/mission_objective.asp

Dr. Vijay's organization (that he STARTED) says:

Quote:
Mission

*Provide a platform for Indian Americans to work with the Republican Party and participate actively at local, state and Federal levels nationwide in the formulation of policies that are of importance to the community and to the country.

Source: http://www.iarcnational.org/index.php?content=Mission

So who shall we believe? Supriya Christopher, executive director for the bipartisan U.S.-India Political Action Committee (USINPAC) or the founder of the Indian-American Republican Council, Dr. Vijay?

Gill...with all due respect this is a slam dunk...sorry...so the bi-partisan Indian organization says it was not a racial slur, but you, Dr. Vijay and Stinger say it was....

SLAM DUNK....

 

[Gill]

So who shall we believe? Supriya Christopher, executive director for the bipartisan U.S.-India Political Action Committee (USINPAC) or the founder of the Indian-American Republican Council, Dr. Vijay?

Do you mean the Supriya Christopher that is running for the House seat in District 84 in Virginia Beach, Va as the DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE??

Bipartisan?? Yeah, she's REAL impartial. :roll:

What were you saying about a slam dunk??