Senator denies remark was racist (1 Viewer)

[KidRocks]

Just what the hell did Sen. George Allen think "Macaca" meant and why did he refer to S.R. Sidarth as that?

I hear Sen. George Allen is a potential presidential candidate, if true the Senator has a lot to learn.








http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/16/allen.volunteer/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. George Allen denies a remark he made to describe an opponent's campaign worker was racially charged, saying in a statement that the media misunderstood his comments.

The Virginia Republican called S.R. Sidarth, a volunteer on Democrat Jim Webb's campaign, "Macaca" on two occasions during an event Friday in Breaks, a town in Virginia's southwest corner near the Kentucky border.

Macaca is a genus of monkeys, including the rhesus monkey. The senator's campaign said that Allen did not know that "Macaca" refer to monkeys...

 

[Kandahar]

Umm

Did YOU know what macaca meant before reading this story? I sure didn't.

 

[jfuh]

Didn't even know the existance of the word Macaca. But seemingly the senator does know.

 

[mpg]

Didn't even know the existance of the word Macaca. But seemingly the senator does know.

I have to agree with you. It seems highly unlikely that he would use a word like that without knowing what it means. Can we assume that Mr. Sidarth is black?

 

[RightOfCenter]

I have to agree with you. It seems highly unlikely that he would use a word like that without knowing what it means. Can we assume that Mr. Sidarth is black?

I think the article said he was Native American. Unless the senator is in the habit of making up random *** words, this had to have been a racist remark. But then again, maybe he does make up random words which might be worse than being racist for a man planning on running for president.

 

[chosendudenyc]

I read, after he made the first remark, folks that were supporters laughed.
That public official dictated what most within his party already knew and accepted as American banter. The Republican Party and those that held that honor began with courage and humanity, now the Republican Party is just a political system designed to separate and pose onus onto others that wish to depoliticize the betterment of our country

 

[SixStringHero]

Well, you learn something new everyday.

I sure as hell didn't know what Macaca was before this.

 

[SixStringHero]

Well, you learn something new everyday.

I sure as hell didn't know what Macaca was before this.

 

[jfuh]

I have to agree with you. It seems highly unlikely that he would use a word like that without knowing what it means. Can we assume that Mr. Sidarth is black?

The Senator: "Let's give a welcome to Macaca, here," Allen said. "Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia."
So seems that Sidarth may be an immigrant?
Now the Senator also says this: "I also made up a nickname for the cameraman, which was in no way intended to be racially derogatory. Any insinuations to the contrary are completely false."
Wow senator, interesting how your made up nick name just so happens to be a racial derogetory term. I would never have even thought of such a word as macaca. By the way here's a macaca

. Sorry senator I'd elect the monkey over you.

Now here again this I didn't know either.

Macaca (slur) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Macaca (also spelled Macaque) is a dismissive epithet used by Francophone colonials in Africa for native populations of North and Subsaharan Africans. Macaca is also a code word used in the White Power Movement to refer to people of African descent.

Sorry senator, just too much of a coincidence. Once? forgivable, twice though? I don't buy the you didn't know routine. Why? Because if you made a mistake the first time I'm certain that one of your aids would've come to tell you not to say the word again.

Oh you're right MPG, seeing as what Macaca is derogatory for someone who is black. Really had no idea about these.

 

[jfuh]

I think the article said he was Native American. Unless the senator is in the habit of making up random *** words, this had to have been a racist remark. But then again, maybe he does make up random words which might be worse than being racist for a man planning on running for president.

I think you could say this is the end of his political career, that is unless the peoples of Virginia don't care.

 

[chosendudenyc]

The Senator: "Let's give a welcome to Macaca, here," Allen said. "Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia."
So seems that Sidarth may be an immigrant?
Now the Senator also says this: "I also made up a nickname for the cameraman, which was in no way intended to be racially derogatory. Any insinuations to the contrary are completely false."
Wow senator, interesting how your made up nick name just so happens to be a racial derogetory term. I would never have even thought of such a word as macaca. By the way here's a macaca

. Sorry senator I'd elect the monkey over you.

Now here again this I didn't know either.

Sorry senator, just too much of a coincidence. Once? forgivable, twice though? I don't buy the you didn't know routine. Why? Because if you made a mistake the first time I'm certain that one of your aids would've come to tell you not to say the word again.

Oh you're right MPG, seeing as what Macaca is derogatory for someone who is black. Really had no idea about these.

Good job on researching the term. I will emphasize further within another forum.

 

[RightOfCenter]

The Senator: "Let's give a welcome to Macaca, here," Allen said. "Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia."
So seems that Sidarth may be an immigrant?
Now the Senator also says this: "I also made up a nickname for the cameraman, which was in no way intended to be racially derogatory. Any insinuations to the contrary are completely false."
Wow senator, interesting how your made up nick name just so happens to be a racial derogetory term. I would never have even thought of such a word as macaca. By the way here's a macaca

. Sorry senator I'd elect the monkey over you.

Now here again this I didn't know either.

Sorry senator, just too much of a coincidence. Once? forgivable, twice though? I don't buy the you didn't know routine. Why? Because if you made a mistake the first time I'm certain that one of your aids would've come to tell you not to say the word again.

Oh you're right MPG, seeing as what Macaca is derogatory for someone who is black. Really had no idea about these.

I think macaca gets my vote for Weirdest Derogatory Term EVER! You could call someone this and they would have no idea what you meant by it, but that might be the point...

 

[Synch]

I'm not going to argue whether it was racist or not, but assuming it is and if history repeats itself, this reference will not be Allen's detriment.

Case and point, Ray Nagin, who's statements were far more deragatory and specific.

 

[aps]

I'm not going to argue whether it was racist or not, but assuming it is and if history repeats itself, this reference will not be Allen's detriment.

Case and point, Ray Nagin, who's statements were far more deragatory and specific.

While hypocritical, when a black person makes a comment like Ray Nagin did, that is far more acceptable than when a white person makes a comment like George Allen made. George Allen also has a history of having symbols that represent racism--a noose, and a Confederate flag. This may not affect his senatorial bid, but it will affect his presidential bid.

 

[aps]

Alright, there's no way in hell that George Allen knew that Macaca was a kind of monkey. If you see the video of it, he's very clearly making up what he's saying as he goes along, assembling sylables that he thinks sounds like a language that he neither understands nor cares to understand.

galenrox, Allen's mother immigrated from French Tunisia, and macaca is a word that the French use. Does that make you wonder whether he truly made up the word in his head? Oh, and he speaks French.

 

[Jay R]

While hypocritical, when a black person makes a comment like Ray Nagin did, that is far more acceptable than when a white person makes a comment like George Allen made.

Just hypocritical? Just my two cents here but isn't such a situation the definition of racism? If both comments are equally offensive and made to alternate racial groups then why is one tolerated and the other condemned? Is this not racial prejudice in action? Just a double-standard I guess, doesn't bother me personally, but I can't let it pass without pointing it out. :twocents:

 

[Gill]

While hypocritical, when a black person makes a comment like Ray Nagin did, that is far more acceptable than when a white person makes a comment like George Allen made. George Allen also has a history of having symbols that represent racism--a noose, and a Confederate flag. This may not affect his senatorial bid, but it will affect his presidential bid.

Did you give Joe Biden a pass when he made the following comment?

``I've had a great relationship. In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking,'' the senator said.

If you did, you are the hypocritical one.

 

[Deegan]

Did you give Joe Biden a pass when he made the following comment?

If you did, you are the hypocritical one.

He is just being honest, and in fact, he is correct. I don't think we need to condemn the man for pointing out the obvious, he never said it was a problem, or that he was concerned, he just stated the obvious.

Now Allen, he probably is a racist, but I am sure that those feelings are shared with his constituents, so it won't really affect his chances in Nov.

 

[Navy Pride]

He is just being honest, and in fact, he is correct. I don't think we need to condemn the man for pointing out the obvious, he never said it was a problem, or that he was concerned, he just stated the obvious.

Now Allen, he probably is a racist, but I am sure that those feelings are shared with his constituents, so it won't really affect his chances in Nov.

Like I said in another thread.........Webb trails big time in the polls......Democrats are desperate............They would do anything to win that senate seat.......

 

[jfuh]

galenrox, Allen's mother immigrated from French Tunisia, and macaca is a word that the French use. Does that make you wonder whether he truly made up the word in his head? Oh, and he speaks French.

Hmm, makes you wonder if he's been having any freedom fries these days.

 

[aps]

Did you give Joe Biden a pass when he made the following comment?

If you did, you are the hypocritical one.

Gill, I hadn't seen that. But what Biden said is true. LOL Seriously, that's a dumb thing to say as well, but Joe Biden, as far as I know, does not have a history of having symbols that support slavery.

What I find so funny is there is Allen saying how he is going to have a positive campaign, and then he goes on to call a kid Macaca and welcome him to America while slamming Jim Webb. Oh yeah, Allen, that's real positive..let me tell you.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Alright, there's no way in hell that George Allen knew that Macaca was a kind of monkey. If you see the video of it, he's very clearly making up what he's saying as he goes along, assembling sylables that he thinks sounds like a language that he neither understands nor cares to understand.

Sorry but his mother is French and from Algeria where this is a common racial slur...He damn well knew what it meant even though it's obvious he didn't know what he was saying.

This is not the first time that he's been accused of racially improper remarks and actions...

 

[Deegan]

Sorry but his mother is French and from Algeria where this is a common racial slur...He damn well knew what it meant even though it's obvious he didn't know what he was saying.

This is not the first time that he's been accused of racially improper remarks and actions...

He is racist, it would not be the first time one was elected in this state, get over it, it's good politics there, and unlikely to change.:doh

 

[26 X World Champs]

Like I said in another thread.........Webb trails big time in the polls......Democrats are desperate............They would do anything to win that senate seat.......

AAAAH....another inept comment! NO way that the Democratic party has any expectations of winning this seat...no more than the GOP have in winning Hilary's seat.

Your comment is one of two things...either incredibly partisan (SHOCKING!) or incredibly out of touch with American politics...you choose whichever shoe fits you.

BTW - It was ALLEN who made the racist comment...the Democrats did nothing...and only people who have their own prejudices can excuse his remark because it is racist and it is wrong.

So NP...you think his comment was OK? Do you identify with that type of thinking?

 

[Navy Pride]

AAAAH....another inept comment! NO way that the Democratic party has any expectations of winning this seat...no more than the GOP have in winning Hilary's seat.

Your comment is one of two things...either incredibly partisan (SHOCKING!) or incredibly out of touch with American politics...you choose whichever shoe fits you.

BTW - It was ALLEN who made the racist comment...the Democrats did nothing...and only people who have their own prejudices can excuse his remark because it is racist and it is wrong.

So NP...you think his comment was OK? Do you identify with that type of thinking?

Did you feel the same way when one of your leaders and recent candidate for president the Rev (and I use the term loosely) Jackson made his Hymie Town comment?:roll:

The guy was a frigging spy....He should not have even been allowed in the hall......