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Scientist: Inject Sulfur into Air to Battle Global Warming

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Injecting sulfur into the second atmospheric layer closest to Earth would reflect more sunlight back to space and offset greenhouse gas warming, according to Nobel laureate Paul Crutzen from the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry in Germany and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, University of California at San Diego.

Crutzen suggests carrying sulfur into the atmosphere via balloons and using artillery guns to release it, where the particles would stay for up to two years. The results could be seen in six months.

Nature does something like this naturally.

When Mount Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in1991, millions of tons of sulfur was injected into the atmosphere, enhancing reflectivity and cooling the Earth’s surface by an average of 0.9 degrees Fahrenheit in the year following the eruption.

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Scientist: Inject Sulfur into Air to Battle Global Warming | LiveScience

Irrespective of how strongly you feel about the need to cut carbon dioxide emissions, the reality is that we will not simply turn off half of our cars and coal power plants in 12 months in order to achieve the required cuts (and the tech to accomplish this will take some more time to mature.)

Geo-engineering will become something that will need to be exercised in order to maintain a suitable temperature that will make life relatively comfortable and easy for us humans.
 
Scientist: Inject Sulfur into Air to Battle Global Warming | LiveScience

Irrespective of how strongly you feel about the need to cut carbon dioxide emissions, the reality is that we will not simply turn off half of our cars and coal power plants in 12 months in order to achieve the required cuts (and the tech to accomplish this will take some more time to mature.)

Geo-engineering will become something that will need to be exercised in order to maintain a suitable temperature that will make life relatively comfortable and easy for us humans.

Yea someone else posted a similar story a while back.

It was nutters then and still is now.
 
Scientist: Inject Sulfur into Air to Battle Global Warming | LiveScience

Irrespective of how strongly you feel about the need to cut carbon dioxide emissions, the reality is that we will not simply turn off half of our cars and coal power plants in 12 months in order to achieve the required cuts (and the tech to accomplish this will take some more time to mature.)

Geo-engineering will become something that will need to be exercised in order to maintain a suitable temperature that will make life relatively comfortable and easy for us humans.
Another reason to oppose this man made global warming fairy tale, religious zealots feeling the need to intentionally tamper with the environment.
 
Yea someone else posted a similar story a while back.

It was nutters then and still is now.
Enlighten me on why it's insane. And please, no statements about how terrible it would be dumping tons of chemicals in our atmosphere, we're already doing that :) . Hell, we've been modifying the environment ever since we thought about digging a ditch in order to bring water to our crops, homes and animals.
Another reason to oppose this man made global warming fairy tale, religious zealots feeling the need to intentionally tamper with the environment.

Who are equipped with computer models that have been through the rigor of backcasting?
 
Another source:
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In Aspen, Wood didn't pull any punches. "He was being outrageous," Caldeira remembers with amusement. "He said something like, 'If we want to solve the global warming problem, we could just have a nuclear war.'" Even the title of his presentation was provocative: "Geoengineering and Nuclear Fission as Responses to Global Warming." By spending only about $1 billion per year, Wood argued, we could put enough particles in the stratosphere to reduce sunlight by about 1 percent — and that's all we'd need to start reversing global warming.

Wood must have known his talk was going to be controversial. Geoengineering had a long history but a checkered reputation. In a 1965 environmental report that discussed climate change (yes, back then), President Johnson's Science Advisory Committee offered a single solution to the problem, and it was a fix that we would now call geoengineering: Spread reflective particles over the oceans.

But as the environmental movement gained momentum, it became decidedly uncool to propose high tech interventions. Geoengineering also suffered by association with several undistinguished military ventures into weather modification. In 1971, news broke that the Pentagon had attempted to alter the weather in Vietnam for military purposes by seeding clouds with silver iodide crystals. The episode prompted an international outcry and, later, a United Nations convention against weather interference for hostile purposes.

Wood's talk didn't generate much enthusiasm among the scientists in Aspen that day. "I thought it would never work," Caldeira says. In fact, he teamed up with another Livermore colleague, Bala Govindasamy, to prove Wood wrong by conducting a thorough climate simulation, the first of its kind. "The intent was to put an end to all the geoengineering talk," Caldeira says. Because changes in the intensity of sunlight affect the climate quite differently than do changes in greenhouse gas concentrations — sunlight varies by season and by the diurnal cycle and falls most strongly over the tropics and equator, whereas carbon dioxide traps heat both day and night across the globe — he had a hunch that the two might not really offset one another very well, especially on a regional or seasonal basis.

When the results came back, Caldeira had disproved his own hypothesis. Geoengineering really did seem to operate more or less like a planetwide thermostat. As the resulting paper noted, Wood's proposal might have any number of adverse environmental and ecological consequences, but it also might offer real benefits. "Melting of Greenland and Antarctic ice caps and the consequent sea level rise," Caldeira and Govindasamy wrote in the spring 2000 issue of Geophysical Research Letters, "is less likely to occur in a geoengineered world."

The paper helped propel Wood's idea into the scientific mainstream and turned Caldeira and Wood into unlikely new allies. Since then, increasingly bad climate news has only heightened interest in the proposal. The summer of 2007 saw a new low in the extent of Arctic sea ice, while data from the Greenland ice sheet is similarly ominous; if it were to melt entirely, sea levels would rise 20 feet, submerging coastal cities like New York and Shanghai. Meanwhile, a new climate-modeling study by Caldeira and another colleague found that in order to stabilize the climate now, we'd have to go to zero emissions almost immediately — something nobody thinks is even remotely possible. All of which is forcing scientists to consider geoengineering more seriously as a way to fight climate change.

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The stratospheric sulfate experiment has already had its proof of concept — courtesy of planet Earth. On June 15, 1991, Mount Pinatubo, which for months had been rumbling, belching, and terrorizing the main Philippine island of Luzon, finally blew its top in an explosion so powerful that it carried 500 feet of the mountain's peak along with it. It was the second-largest volcanic eruption of the 20th century, 10 times the size of the Mount Saint Helens explosion in 1980 and the first of its scale to occur with modern scientific technologies in place — especially satellites — to measure the global environmental and climatic effect.

Pinatubo's eruption didn't just unleash huge mud slides and lava flows; it also fired an ash stream 22 miles into the air, injecting 20 million tons of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere. Over the following months, a massive haze gradually dispersed across the globe. Meanwhile, the sulfur dioxide component underwent chemical reactions to form a particulate known as sulfate aerosol (in essence, droplets of water and sulfuric acid), which absorbs sunlight and reflects some of it back into space.

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http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-07/ff_geoengineering?currentPage=all

If you read about the measurements that were obtained after Mount Pinatubo exploded, this theory has considerable weight. It's not just a little diagram on the back of a napkin.
 
Enlighten me on why it's insane. And please, no statements about how terrible it would be dumping tons of chemicals in our atmosphere, we're already doing that :) . Hell, we've been modifying the environment ever since we thought about digging a ditch in order to bring water to our crops, homes and animals.

Global warming may be entirely natural.
Don't want to screw with that unless it means total global annihilation.

What if they pump to much in the atmosphere?
Miscalculations do happen.

Dumping more chemicals may have unknown adverse effects.
There are practically to many unknowns and changing the global climate, for something that may or may not be entirely natural, is bat **** insane.
 
If I'm not mistaken, I've heard that it's a very small amount that they'd pump, something on the order of 0.02% of annual sulfur emissions. They can stop it if AGW is shown to be false. Hey, it sure beats the heck out of Copenhagen.
 
i'm just wondering what would happen if a couple of them sulphur atoms decided to get together with a couple of carbon atoms, and formed sulphur dioxide, i hear that that stuff ain't to good for trees and the like
 
i'm just wondering what would happen if a couple of them sulphur atoms decided to get together with a couple of carbon atoms, and formed sulphur dioxide, i hear that that stuff ain't to good for trees and the like

I think you mean oxygen atoms:mrgreen:

But yes

Sulphur in the atmosphere is one of the two main causes of acid rain, the other being nitrous oxides (not nitrogen)
 
I'm going to say it right now, cap and trade is not going to happen. India and China will never let it happen. Without them, it would be useless anyway. The amount of SO2 would be relatively small compared to worldwide emissions. There are arguments about it screwing with the planet, but we've been doing this for millennia. Isn't that what AGW is about?
 
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Cap and trade is idiotic

All it will do is make wall street brokers rich (or the like in other countries

If you want to reduce the amount of carbon emmitted into the atmosphere a carbon tax is the best method
 
I think you mean oxygen atoms:mrgreen:

But yes

Sulphur in the atmosphere is one of the two main causes of acid rain, the other being nitrous oxides (not nitrogen)

:3oops::3oops: yeah oxygen, environmentalists keep gettin' carbon on my brain
 
Cap and trade is idiotic

All it will do is make wall street brokers rich (or the like in other countries

If you want to reduce the amount of carbon emmitted into the atmosphere a carbon tax is the best method

The problem, like most environmental debates, is about economic trade offs vs gains. India and China will never do this. We are going to use fossil fuels for a good while, because they are by far the most economical energy resource. SO2 emissions would be cheap and have very little impact compared to AGW if the worst case scenario from the IPCC is to be believed.
 
Scientist: Inject Sulfur into Air to Battle Global Warming

:no::no::no:

:fyi:
Environmental impact
The burning of coal and/or petroleum by industry and power plants generates sulfur dioxide (SO2), which reacts with atmospheric water and oxygen to produce sulfuric acid (H2SO4). This sulfuric acid is a component of acid rain, which lowers the pH of soil and freshwater bodies, sometimes resulting in substantial damage to the environment and chemical weathering of statues and structures. Fuel standards increasingly require sulfur to be extracted from fossil fuels to prevent the formation of acid rain. This extracted sulfur is then refined and represents a large portion of sulfur production. In coal fired power plants, the flue gases are sometimes purified. In more modern power plants that use syngas the sulfur is extracted before the gas is burned.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur#Environmental_impact
 

Virtually all the water vapor in the atmosphere is in the troposphere (>99%) at lower altitudes. If this idea were to get implemented they would be pumping the SO2 into the upper levels of the stratosphere, where water is virtually nonexistent.

Simplified, and bare bones: H2O +SO2 + O(-) --> H2SO4 (sulfuric acid).

Without the H2O, SO2 cannot readily become H2SO4 , and since the stratosphere and troposphere do not really mix with each other, what little bit of sulfuric acid that may get created would remain in the stratosphere, and not fall to earth. so sulfuric acid and acid rain are really not a problem with this proposal.

There is nothing wrong with having contingency "ohh ****" plans around, but we should not attempt to tamper with this unless there is a global cataclysm already in progress, and widespread problems as a result. Once the Maldives are submerged and they are all trying to swim their not so happy asses to India, then we should start considering getting our frog-in-the-frying-pan-denying-asses busy to do something about the burner frying us to a crisp.

In theory if we overshot the amount of SO2, it would correct itself in relatively short order (year or 2 I think? I am working from memory from last time I read about this idea), but lets not mess with mother nature unless she is really, really, really ****ing with us..like widescale human extermination kind of threatening... and even then, lets use an extreme abundance of caution.. this is not something to play around with lightly, that is for damn sure.
 
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Despite China now being the #1 CO2 emitter, it is thought their emissions are so chock full of other matter Like Sulfur, (or a volcano), that they are mitigating the Warming effect they contribute to.
Ironic, about being SO Dirty that the net effect isn't as bad as it might be if they burned the same materials but scrubbed them in one way or another.

So thick, that 25% of the Particulate pollution in Los Angeles (and other West Coast cities) comes from China. A thinner but volcano-like shadow.
Beijing of course famous for it's Filthy air; so that they closed down all the local power and industrial plants days prior to, and during the Olympics.
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